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Old Posted Nov 27, 2017, 11:48 PM
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I no longer live in the city or the country for that matter but I did watch the Grey Cup, figuring I should get clued in so I can watch Halifax games in 2020. I never was into sports but did get into watching the NFL 20 years ago; I prefer the 4 downs as opposed to the 3 downs of the CFL. I would also make an effort to get to Halifax to see a game when and if the city gets a team.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2017, 12:09 AM
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I certainly would rather that HRM spend $10 million on support for a stadium than a similar sum on the MacDonald bridge bike flyover boondoggle.
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Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson tweeted that the Grey Cup generated an estimated $100 million in economic activity. A portion of that will end up in government coffers. I would like to see a deal between Halifax and the CFL where the city will be guaranteed the opportunity to host multiple Grey Cups (say 3 within a 10 year span) as a way to recoup some of the investment that the city and province will have to make for this to proceed.
     
     
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Selling out a 26,000 seat stadium may seem like aiming low, but at least it would put the franchise in stability and hopefully quiet the constant talk about whether or not the Argonauts can survive. I can't imagine that conversation intrigues very many new fans.
Agree. I'm simply stating that it can't be the end goal.
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Old Posted Nov 29, 2017, 10:39 PM
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Agree. I'm simply stating that it can't be the end goal.
Agreed, it's why I don't understand the call to downsize BC Place to that size..
     
     
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Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson tweeted that the Grey Cup generated an estimated $100 million in economic activity. A portion of that will end up in government coffers. I would like to see a deal between Halifax and the CFL where the city will be guaranteed the opportunity to host multiple Grey Cups (say 3 within a 10 year span) as a way to recoup some of the investment that the city and province will have to make for this to proceed.
BS numbers with no details as to how the number was arrived at. The same BS we hear about any concert or sport event.
If Man United get 80,000 spectators every game what is the economic impact ?
I'm sure the Premier is just salivating at the opportunity to put money into a stadium rather than spending the same amount on an upgrade in container handling facilities in the port.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2017, 9:57 PM
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My questions are about how deep pocketed the ownership group is. Ambrosie says they are (and he outta know) but I still have questions. These guys must have got a pretty good payout for the Coyotes but much of the reading I've done on the people mentioned isn't real positive. And where does Richard Butts fit into it. You don't seem to read much about him when talking about the ownership group. Aside from the article below what does he bring to the table (for good or bad)

Some background of one of the ownership group

Richard Butts resigns as Halifax’s CAO, heads to Clayton Developments
REMO ZACCAGNA thechronicleherald.ca December 9, 2015

Halifax’s top bureaucrat is heading to the private sector.

In a surprise move, Richard Butts, Halifax Regional Municipality’s chief administrative officer since 2011, announced he is stepping down from his position next month to take on a new role as president of Clayton Developments Ltd.

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The hiring of Butts is the result of a national executive search by an independent recruiter and came together quickly, Hawker said.

“We just think that we’ll be in good hands with him. Clayton has built a strong foundation of excellent communities, and we’re hoping that Richard will help us keep doing that.”

Butts, who headed the city’s top-earners list, was paid $343,000 in the fiscal year that ended March 31. City spokesman Breton Murphy confirmed that Butts will not receive a severance package of any sort but will be paid as per usual during the one-month transition period.

Before becoming Halifax’s chief administrative officer, Butts was Toronto’s deputy city manager for four years and was also involved with Toronto’s solid waste management for several years.

Mayor Mike Savage said Butts brought “financial discipline to the decisions the city has made,” and he is surprised, though not shocked, to see him leave.

“I wasn’t expecting it at this point in time,” Savage said in an interview. “I know he’s sought after, both by other municipalities and obviously by the private sector.

“CAOs don’t last forever in municipalities. He’s been here about five years. We know that other cities have been after him, and he has experience in the private sector as well, so we knew that people would be coming after him.”

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The mayor said he had no concerns of any perceived conflict of interest that may arise from the city’s top bureaucrat moving to take over one of Halifax’s biggest development companies, which has spent billions in residential projects that include the Parks of West Bedford and Portland Hills

Group makes ‘very credible’ pitch for Halifax CFL franchise
Dave Naylor TSN.ca November 16 2017

“We have had discussions with the CFL’s board of governors and ongoing discussions with commissioner Ambrosie,” said Anthony LeBlanc, a partner in the group and former president and CEO of the NHL’s Arizona Coyotes (and former vice president of global sales for BlackBerry)

Along with LeBlanc, whose family is from New Brunswick and who began his business career in the province, the group includes Bruce Bowser, a Halifax native who is currently president of AMJ Campbell Van Lines, and Gary Drummond, a businessman from Regina who was president of hockey operations for the Coyotes.

The Halifax group is modelling its plan on that of the Ottawa Sports and Entertainment Group, which received a conditional franchise from the CFL in 2008 and then redeveloped Frank Clair Stadium and the land surrounding it.

It’s believed the Halifax group would like to have a conditional franchise granted before the start of the 2018 CFL season, with a goal of beginning play as soon as 2020.

The potential owners want to brand the franchise to identity not just with Halifax but all of Atlantic Canada.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2017, 9:59 PM
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If Man United get 80,000 spectators every game what is the economic impact?
Does ManU have a week long festival of profitable events before their games and have people come in 3 or 5 days ahead of their games and stay overnight?
     
     
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Optimism builds for potential CFL expansion to Halifax
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2017, 10:38 PM
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Maybe Butts isn't as involved in the ownership as much as I assumed he was.

Potential CFL team owners looking at four pieces of HRM land: mayor
Sarah Ritchie, Reporter CTV News November 20, 2017

As the CFL considers what it’s calling a “very credible” bid for 10th team, more details are emerging about what the Atlantic expansion may look like.

The group of potential owners is looking at four pieces of land in the Halifax Regional Municipality, according to Mayor Mike Savage.

While Shannon Park has been considered a possibility since 2012, Savage says it's not his preferred option this time.

Another potential location is in the Bayers Lake business park, according to the Banc Group. The developers say they have had a conversation with the CFL bid group this month. The land, which is behind the Kent store, will be ready to build by July of 2018.

Sources tell CTV News the municipality's preferred location is in Dartmouth Crossing.

North American Development Group, which owns the land in Dartmouth Crossing, says they have had preliminary discussions with the CFL bid group.

Dartmouth Crossing has access to highways, and is about a 20-minute drive from the Halifax Stanfield International Airport and downtown Halifax.

On Friday, Mayor Savage said a stadium will need to generate new tax revenue, saying, “first and foremost it has to be financially feasible without being a drain on taxpayers.”

“It has to be part of a development that makes sense,” Savage said. “People don't want to build just stadiums outside of town, that don't have amenities. So there are places within our community and outside of the downtown – I just don’t think a downtown stadium is feasible, we don’t have a place to put it. But we have other areas which have restaurants, which have bars, which have hotels, which have shopping, which have complete communities.”

Savage added that the development would need to be transit-oriented.

The bid group is led by two former executives of the Arizona Coyotes, Anthony LeBlanc and Gary Drummond, and local businessman Bruce Bowser of AMJ Campbell Van Lines.

Richard Butts is also involved. Currently the president of Clayton Developments, Butts is also the former CAO of Halifax Regional Municipality. He tells CTV News he has been introducing the group to local players, including the Halifax Chamber of Commerce and the Halifax Partnership.

In a statement, LeBlanc tells CTV News the group will not be commenting further at this time as it works with the CFL and various levels of government.

“We continue to be incredibly excited and bullish regarding the opportunity to bring this great sport and great league to the Atlantic region,” LeBlanc said. “And while we are progressing well in all discussions, there remains significant work left to do. We do anticipate providing an update over the weeks and months ahead as we continue down this exciting path.”
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 1, 2017, 1:08 AM
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Just imagine a new Stadium in a newly envisioned Bayers Lake along with a New Maison Simons, Hudson Bay, Sacs and a number of new restaurants, and some high rise apartment/condo towers. Could be a very exciting place
     
     
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Does ManU have a week long festival of profitable events before their games and have people come in 3 or 5 days ahead of their games and stay overnight?
No and nor do CFL teams in the regular season.
And ManU and almost all other UK soccer teams paid for their own stadium.
Spurs new stadium is now up to a cost of $1.4 billion, the NFL will also play in the new stadium :http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tottenham-reveal-new-stadium-costs-9983339
Arsenal built the Emirates from operations and the re-development of the old stadium.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 1, 2017, 5:07 AM
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No and nor do CFL teams in the regular season.
And ManU and almost all other UK soccer teams paid for their own stadium.
Spurs new stadium is now up to a cost of $1.4 billion, the NFL will also play in the new stadium :http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tottenham-reveal-new-stadium-costs-9983339
Arsenal built the Emirates from operations and the re-development of the old stadium.
I've been reading your posts and your auld country comparisons don't mean anything here. You're not in Kansas anymore Dorothy.
     
     
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BS numbers with no details as to how the number was arrived at. The same BS we hear about any concert or sport event.
So you're saying when Deloitte and Touche or whoever audits the Grey Cup this year they will be committing fraud? Yeah, okay...

Grey Cup (and its accompanying festivities) can make near a 10 million profit for the host, Ottawa with a much smaller seating capacity will be less. That is one of the reasons most of the teams in the league can be profitable because that's their rainy day money. We'll find out soon what they made, they had less seats this year, at more reasonable prices, but from the sound of it the week long events did very well so we'll have to see.

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Old Posted Dec 1, 2017, 12:49 PM
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So you're saying when Deloitte and Touche or whoever audits the Grey Cup this year they will be committing fraud? Yeah, okay...

Grey Cup (and its accompanying festivities) can make near a 10 million profit for the host, Ottawa with a much smaller seating capacity will be less. That is one of the reasons most of the teams in the league can be profitable because that's their rainy day money. We'll find out soon what they made, they had less seats this year, at more reasonable prices, but from the sound of it the week long events did very well so we'll have to see.
If the CFL is 'profitable' they won't need any public money. I first watched the Packers on TV in 1966, anything here will be somewhat underwhelming. If you have links to prior years audits I'd be happy to read them.
     
     
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Just imagine a new Stadium in a newly envisioned Bayers Lake along with a New Maison Simons, Hudson Bay, Sacs and a number of new restaurants, and some high rise apartment/condo towers. Could be a very exciting place
Please dear God, anyplace but Bayer's Lake - that place is a retail ghetto compounded by traffic chaos due to insufficient highway access. Just wait until you add 28,000 people trying to leave the venue all at once after a game.

Dartmouth Crossing would be infinitely better........
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Just imagine a new Stadium in a newly envisioned Bayers Lake along with a New Maison Simons, Hudson Bay, Sacs and a number of new restaurants, and some high rise apartment/condo towers. Could be a very exciting place
no - I don't think the circulation issues in Bayers Lake can be changed enough to handle the additional traffic. I also think it would be VERY tough to make the industrial park attractive place in which to live.
     
     
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If the CFL is 'profitable' they won't need any public money. I first watched the Packers on TV in 1966, anything here will be somewhat underwhelming. If you have links to prior years audits I'd be happy to read them.
I have no idea why you are making useless comparisons to England and now USA. Would you feel the same way about it if they were building this stadium for a soccer team, I doubt it.
     
     
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Apparently the #1 site option is the area in Dartmouth Crossing just west (or was it southwest?) of Ikea.
     
     
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I have no idea why you are making useless comparisons to England and now USA. Would you feel the same way about it if they were building this stadium for a soccer team, I doubt it.
I would feel the same. Professional sports are a business and governments should not provide any funding unless there is a compelling reason. This CFL proposal appears to be similar to the Calgary plan to extract money from the local council. Any public money spent on sports should be directed to grass roots non-profit organisations that involve a lot of kids and adults.
     
     
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