PITTSBURGH | Development Rundown III

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by Jonboy1983

Are those the condos directly across the street from the Village? Those aren't IMO the best use for that piece of land, and it doesn't look like they were there for very long. You are absolutely right that the Village at East Side is going to look rather out of place as well. I never was a fan of auto-centric shopping centers, especially ones in an urban setting like East Liberty. Hopefully they'll revamp that sooner as opposed to later or not at all...

It's a shame they built those condos when they did; they back all the way up to Penn Avenue...

I believe the Village of Shadyside (the condos) were built in the mid-1990s. At that time East Liberty was still very undesirable and high crime, so the condo development "turned its back on Penn" facing itself instead on a random back street in Shadyside and built a brick wall fronting on Penn Avenue. Also note that it's a literal gated community. Very much of its time.

In retrospect, it seems colossally stupid - and will seem even moreso if The Village of Eastside (the shopping center) is ever redeveloped. There is a gate for cars and pedestrians on Penn, but I believe it's always locked to keep out "the riffraff." If I lived there I'd hate that I needed to walk for 10 minutes to get to Trader Joes, which was nominally right across the street. Hopefully at some point there's enough support at the condo board to making the Penn side into a real gate as well, though turning it into a public-access road is probably beyond the pale.

[BrianTH]

Very excited to hear about Club One. There is so much potential over there. I've mentioned before that with the Shady and Penn intersection elevated to cross the Busway, there is potential to continue Shady across over a parking structure ala East Side Bond, potentially with a new bridge over to Broad (at least pedestrian) and perhaps eventually all the way to East Liberty Boulevard.

The gate townhouse development is indeed both understandable given the context of the time (peak urban crime wave), and unfortunate given changed circumstances today. But there is still so much that can be done around it, so for now, I am OK it staying an anomaly.

[BrianTH]

The URA has issued an RFQ for developers interested in the Centre Corridor in the Middle Hill:

https://www.ura.org/news/ura-release...-hill-district

It involves 170 URA/City-owned parcels, 161 of which are vacant, and many of which can be combined into larger parcels:



The general vision is "redevelopments that include ground floor commercial space with compatible multi-story residential, office, and /or flexible space", consistent with the local neighborhood plans.

[BrianTH]

PAT is going to renew, and as necessary upgrade, all of its 7000+ stops:

https://www.nextpittsburgh.com/city-...ke-them-safer/

Pittsburgh regularly does extreme well in contests for worst bus stops--not a good thing.

This was interesting too:

Plans for the new upgrades include adding bus shelters where needed, as well as more “street furniture” such as benches, bike racks and trash cans. Some stops will also get improved lighting to make sure people feel safer at night, and electronic signs noting when the next bus will arrive.

The hope is also that bus stops will be easier to spot. “I’d love to see a Port Authority brand for a bus stop,” Huffaker [PAT chief development officer] tells NEXTpittsburgh. “You’d be out walking or riding your bike and recognize it immediately as a bus stop.” It would look the same as the next bus stop along the way. Right now, he says, “you may not even know where to look for a bus stop sign. We’d love to have something a little more consistently applied so people know what to look for — ‘Okay, I know that if I wait here, a bus will come.’"

I view all this as a critical issue to help support urban development. Our bus network is actually pretty good already, and is going to get further upgrades, such that it should be a selling point for rentals and even homes to be near major bus routes. But the visibility of that network could be so much better.

[SWPA]

I like the plans for the old Shady Hill plaza, and now that the Club One site will be redeveloped, that corner of the neighborhood will have some density. It's just what's needed so close to the East Liberty Station.

I think the Village of Shadyside development was built in the early 1980s. I moved to the neighborhood in 1983 and it was pretty new, and there were directional signs on telephone poles directing people to it. The scuttlebut in the neighborhood at the time was "who would want to live in East Liberty and why do they call it 'Shadyside'"? You couldn't give property away in that area back then.

[eschaton]

Some good news and bad news for development in Oakland from PBT. Not behind a paywall, so you can just use incognito mode.

The good news is a judge ruled that the new Walnut Capital office building can go ahead on Fifth Avenue, meaning those three NIMBYs were defeated in Court due to lack of standing.

The bad news is the 13-story office building planned at 3440 Forbes is held up over a community benefits agreement. The article is a bit vague, but it seems hat the Oakland Planning and Development Corp is making a demand for $1.8 million in tax credits, which the developer says it cannot meet. It's unclear to me why OPDC is demanding so much more from Wexford than it got from Walnut Capital for two buildings of a similar scale.

The Pittsburgh Post Gazette has more information.

[Don't Be That Guy]

Originally Posted by eschaton

The bad news is the 13-story office building planned at 3440 Forbes is held up over a community benefits agreement. The article is a bit vague, but it seems that the Oakland Planning and Development Corp is making a demand for $1.8 million in tax credits, which the developer says it cannot meet. It's unclear to me why OPDC is demanding so much more from Wexford than it got from Walnut Capital for two buildings of a similar scale.

The Pittsburgh Post Gazette has more information.

How is OPDC empowered to make arbitrary financial demands of anyone?

CBA's are basically extortion for self-appointed community gatekeepers who thrive on every big project needing zoning variances. It would be great if Wexford told them to go pound salt but they probably don't have the time, money or patience to fight through numerous variance appeals and will settle on a smaller "contribution."

[pj3000]

Originally Posted by BrianTH

Very excited to hear about Club One. There is so much potential over there. I've mentioned before that with the Shady and Penn intersection elevated to cross the Busway, there is potential to continue Shady across over a parking structure ala East Side Bond, potentially with a new bridge over to Broad (at least pedestrian) and perhaps eventually all the way to East Liberty Boulevard.

The gate townhouse development is indeed both understandable given the context of the time (peak urban crime wave), and unfortunate given changed circumstances today. But there is still so much that can be done around it, so for now, I am OK it staying an anomaly.

Yeah, I think there's been discussion here on and off over the years about how a continuation of Shady over the busway to Broad could really be key to true connectivity/revitalization of Larimer.

And agreed on the Village of Shadyside... it's there, it's been there for 30+ years, and it's definitely not going anywhere. And for god's sake, it's not that bad. It's not like it's some huge impediment to redesign of the area. The strip mall across the street... let's focus on that.

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by SWPA

I think the Village of Shadyside development was built in the early 1980s. I moved to the neighborhood in 1983 and it was pretty new, and there were directional signs on telephone poles directing people to it. The scuttlebut in the neighborhood at the time was "who would want to live in East Liberty and why do they call it 'Shadyside'"? You couldn't give property away in that area back then.

I'll defer to you long-timers here. When I looked at property records on the townhouses on the assessor's site, I couldn't really find any sales before 1995 or so. But it could have been that it took a long time for the development to be fully built out.

I know originally all of what's now Shadyside east of Negley was considered East Liberty. Not sure when the "rebranding" happened exactly though.

Originally Posted by Don't Be That Guy

How is OPDC empowered to make arbitrary financial demands of anyone?

CBA's are basically extortion for self-appointed community gatekeepers who thrive on every big project needing zoning variances. It would be great if Wexford told them to go pound salt but they probably don't have the time, money or patience to fight through numerous variance appeals and will settle on a smaller "contribution."

The weird thing is my impression was always the OPDC was one of the more pro-development community groups (being more dominated by businesses, similar to ELDI, than homeowners). It was more random cranks in the neighborhood who caused development issues after hiring their own lawyers. This is the first case I've heard of where they are playing hardball.

Originally Posted by pj3000

And agreed on the Village of Shadyside... it's there, it's been there for 30+ years, and it's definitely not going anywhere. And for god's sake, it's not that bad. It's not like it's some huge impediment to redesign of the area. The strip mall across the street... let's focus on that.

In terms of density, the Village of Shadyside is fine. People often forget it's not all townhouses - there are two small condo buildings in the heart of it as well. The only real problem with it is that "turns its back" to Penn, and if the surrounding area is built up similarly to Bakery Square, it will stick out as a "dead edge."

[SteelCityRising]

I'm starting to really, really abhor NIMBY's. I've been in numerous arguments on NextDoor regarding various development-related issues in/around the East End recently. There's definitely a contingent (typically older white upper-middle-class homeowners) who think apartments/rentals nearby will somehow devalue their own residence a la "there goes the neighborhood!"

Some of my favorite arguments are:

"This will be out-of-character for the neighborhood";
"This will affect views";
"Renters don't pay their fair share"; or, my personal favorite,

"We already have too many apartments" (while failing to explain to me how rents could possibly keep increasing if we have too many apartments, which indicates that there's still not enough supply to meet demand).

There is one woman in particular who lives in East Shadyside. I caught her mentioning once that she was a landlord. She's a vocal critic of the redevelopment of the Shady Hill Shopping Center for the aforementioned reasons, and she's also corralled some other NIMBY's with a "white guilt" angle. No, no African-Americans will be displaced by redeveloping that hideous shopping center, but, apparently, African-Americans who currently drive or take the bus to this Giant Eagle from Larimer or Homewood or Lincoln-Lemington are for reasons unexplained to me by the NIMBY's unable to drive to the Target, East End Food Co-Op, Trader Joe's, Whole Foods, two ALDIs, or Market District that are all within a 5-minute-drive or bus ride of here while this Giant Eagle will be closed for construction.

As for me? I love this proposal and hope it advances. I also hope Club One is torn down, and another dense mixed-use project is built there with the continuation of Shady Avenue over the Busway and over to Broad Street. I've heard criticism that Giant Eagle is reducing its footprint. Perhaps they can be persuaded to take over the additional 20,000 square feet in the two stories on the corner?

[Jonboy1983]

Originally Posted by SteelCityRising

I'm starting to really, really abhor NIMBY's. I've been in numerous arguments on NextDoor regarding various development-related issues in/around the East End recently. There's definitely a contingent (typically older white upper-middle-class homeowners) who think apartments/rentals nearby will somehow devalue their own residence a la "there goes the neighborhood!"

Some of my favorite arguments are:

"This will be out-of-character for the neighborhood";
"This will affect views";
"Renters don't pay their fair share"; or, my personal favorite,

"We already have too many apartments" (while failing to explain to me how rents could possibly keep increasing if we have too many apartments, which indicates that there's still not enough supply to meet demand).

There is one woman in particular who lives in East Shadyside. I caught her mentioning once that she was a landlord. She's a vocal critic of the redevelopment of the Shady Hill Shopping Center for the aforementioned reasons, and she's also corralled some other NIMBY's with a "white guilt" angle. No, no African-Americans will be displaced by redeveloping that hideous shopping center, but, apparently, African-Americans who currently drive or take the bus to this Giant Eagle from Larimer or Homewood or Lincoln-Lemington are for reasons unexplained to me by the NIMBY's unable to drive to the Target, East End Food Co-Op, Trader Joe's, Whole Foods, two ALDIs, or Market District that are all within a 5-minute-drive or bus ride of here while this Giant Eagle will be closed for construction.

As for me? I love this proposal and hope it advances. I also hope Club One is torn down, and another dense mixed-use project is built there with the continuation of Shady Avenue over the Busway and over to Broad Street. I've heard criticism that Giant Eagle is reducing its footprint. Perhaps they can be persuaded to take over the additional 20,000 square feet in the two stories on the corner?

Agreed 100 percent with your disdain for NIMBYs and their logic -- or lack thereof. Regarding East Liberty, it's very much in a state of flux. Much of its "downtown" has been revamped with higher density developments. So the "out of character with the rest of the neighborhood" argument does not hold water IMO.

Regarding the RFQ for developments in the middle Hill, it will be exciting to see how that transpires. The Grandada Theater redevelopment looks enticing. Hopefully that could be the start of something amazing for that neighborhood.

[eschaton]

The Post-Gazette is reporting that the buyer of Club One is believed to be Boston-based The Davis Companies - the firm behind the recent rehab of the Union Trust Building, which is also currently rehabbing Shannon Hall (former Art Institute dorm) into a 205-unit apartment building.

[wpipkins2]

[QUOTE=eschaton;8640421]I'll defer to you long-timers here. When I looked at property records on the townhouses on the assessor's site, I couldn't really find any sales before 1995 or so. But it could have been that it took a long time for the development to be fully built out.

[/QThe first townhomes opened just before my entry to Reizenstein Middle School. This would have been the 86/87 school year. Our gym teacher used to take us on bike tours through the community. East Liberty Station was brand new in 86 with the anchor tenant Pharmore pharmacy. Equibank and Lachina drapery were there at the time.

The second phase of which includes those homes with the back facing Penn Ave came along later. This was probably 1995 or so. The newer homes were not as solid as the original. Our gym teacher used to take us on bike tours through the community.

I know originally all of what's now Shadyside east of Negley as considered East Liberty. Not sure when the "rebranding" happened exactly though.

The area was referred to as East Liberty as long as I can remember and I am 44 years old. UOTE]

[eschaton]

OPDC officially comes out in opposition to Wexford's proposed 13-story tower at 3440 Forbes in Oakland. As a result, the ZBA hearing on the project scheduled for today has been delayed until mid-August.

The article is still kinda unclear on why OPDC was asking for a $1.8 million shakedown. Here's the initial CBA that OPDC was asking for on July 3rd, which was for a bit more money. Their rationale seems to be "people in the neighborhood don't like this, so throw some money our way bro." Which would be fine, if these were standards applied to every development in Oakland, but they clearly are not.

Edit: Favorite project feedback from a stakeholder:

But hard to imagine that hard working scientists who live in the sunburbs and work into the evening are going to bike to work over the highway. I’d like people involved in the decision Prozess to get real...or get honest....be creative about parking ..maybe for the building .buy a piece of land for parking, (there’s plenty of land in the hill district )and transport the workers from there to Oakland...or some such. Use some intelligence and creativity to solve the problem. And maybe residents should get real too and realize that there is no space in Oakland for families...so everybody stop pretending. So use energies to establish an exit strategy

[eschaton]

8/15 ZBA is up. Which is odd, because there should be one for 8/8 which was never posted, but maybe it will arrive later. Anyway, new items of interest:

1. Demolishing the Bella Vista restaurant on Grandview to make way for another single-family home with integral parking. Something needs to be done regarding the "Grandview Public Realm" zoning, or in another decade or two it's just all going to be houses for millionaires.

2. Two new apartment buildings in Larimer. Unit count unknown, but it's related to the earlier announced Larimer School apartment conversion, which I know we have discussed before. This is the location.

3. Conversion of a church and development of surrounding land into a residential apartment complex in Manchester. This will include a new building with a parking garage, plus four upper levels of apartments. This is the location.

4. Infill townhouses on the lot here in Central Lawrenceville. This is an interesting project for me personally, because I used to live on this street. The house in question on the top of the hill was an old detached farmhouse, which was quite grand but in a state of disrepair due to the old man that lived there. When he passed away they must have decided there was more money in knocking down the old house and replacing it with townhouses rather than restoring it to its former glory. This is a shame, but I'm not surprised - large-lot houses no longer survive in the neighborhood, the land is too valuable.

5. The continuance for 3440 Forbes discussed above.

[photoLith]

This monstrosity in Oakland is finally finished. Hopefully the trees they planted on the sidewalk grow to 200ft tall to cover it up. The terrible cheap siding is still all dented up looking, figured they would at least fix that crap, but they didnt. Instead of aging like a fine wine, this is going to age like a torn sack of Franzia box wine in the hot sun.

Untitled by photolitherland, on Flickr

[deja vu]

Originally Posted by photoLith

This monstrosity in Oakland is finally finished. Hopefully the trees they planted on the sidewalk grow to 200ft tall to cover it up. The terrible cheap siding is still all dented up looking, figured they would at least fix that crap, but they didnt. Instead of aging like a fine wine, this is going to age like a torn sack of Franzia box wine in the hot sun.

^ Oh man, this made me laugh. God, that thing IS hideous.

[Johnland]

Originally Posted by photoLith

This monstrosity in Oakland is finally finished. Hopefully the trees they planted on the sidewalk grow to 200ft tall to cover it up. The terrible cheap siding is still all dented up looking, figured they would at least fix that crap, but they didnt. Instead of aging like a fine wine, this is going to age like a torn sack of Franzia box wine in the hot sun.

Untitled by photolitherland, on Flickr

What a piece of sh**. I'm sorry that Oakland has been saddled with that pile of crap. The aluminum foil siding, the cheap small square windows, the hideous random colors, the odd jut-outs and ham-handed overhangs for cornices. They couldn't have made it any uglier.

[photoLith]

Some photos from today.

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The new row houses in the Strip. Also saw that the Produce Terminal is completely gutted now, so thats good.

Untitled by photolitherland, on Flickr
Don't have a photo of it, but drove by and saw they tore down Rosa Villa building next to the Andy Warhol Museum. Any idea what's going to go on that lot, if anything?

[Steel City Scotty]

Rosa Villa's longstanding building on Pittsburgh's North Side comes down

Future plans for the Rosa Villa building "have not yet been determined, but in the interim, it will be replaced with a small pedestrian park."