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It's not helping that TSN's fan shots are usually showing Rider fans but that may be because the locals aren't sporting as much team swag.

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I noticed that too and was just going to mention it!
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2017, 6:39 PM
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I thought all this positive Argo talk would be one step forward and then two steps back. Argos off to a rough start and then BAM pick six, momentum changed. And then the replay, it likely would have been the right call to call back the touchdown, but it would have been a lame call and the Argos got away with one.

Old time Argo Bounce, they're not doing great but things seem to be going their way.
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I thought all this positive Argo talk would be one step forward and then two steps back. Argos off to a rough start and then BAM pick six, momentum changed. And then the replay, it likely would have been the right call to call back the touchdown, but it would have been a lame call and the Argos got away with one.

Old time Argo Bounce, they're not doing great but things seem to be going their way.
Wouldn't they have allowed the touchdown and just docked the Argos 15 yards on the ensuing kickoff for roughing the passer, since the pass was gone before the QB got clotheslined? The penalty didn't really have any effect on the play.
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Wouldn't they have allowed the touchdown and just docked the Argos 15 yards on the ensuing kickoff for roughing the passer, since the pass was gone before the QB got clotheslined? The penalty didn't really have any effect on the play.
I don't know for sure but I think it would have been called back, especially after the reaction from Forde who hesitatingly talked about what the right call should be (without saying it).

Also why would Jones use his only challenge that early in the game, unless to kill a TD?
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I don't know for sure but I think it would have been called back, especially after the reaction from Forde who hesitatingly talked about what the right call should be (without saying it).

Also why would Jones use his only challenge that early in the game, unless to kill a TD?
Yeah, I guess as a coach he'd know the rules.
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It's not helping that TSN's fan shots are usually showing Rider fans but that may be because the locals aren't sporting as much team swag.
As the game goes on this is clearly evident.

Some observances: Argo games seem to have lots of people in the end zone seats and myth busted, I'm not seeing too many Argo folks near or over 50 years of age.

Milt talked about the penalty call being a possible 14 point swing with the possible good field position so the pick six would have been called back.
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I hope we see some better play in the second half. These teams don't really look GC-worthy at this point.
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More observances: Leafs in the house, Argos fan Marner with Matthews and Reilly vs Rider supporter Babcock.

I didn't know "Tourist Hit" was an actual referee used term for a penalty call.

I erred when I said I didn't see too many Argo fans over 50. I think Santa is over 50
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This is gonna be interesting. If you're not watching you might wanna tune in.

Carter going in as a DB, hometown Bridge engineers the comeback...so far

Argos score from the one, BMO goes mad, storybook ending

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I've never cheered for any Toronto team in my life but they're the underdogs here.
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That was 50 minutes of dud and 10 minutes of total brilliance.
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Another thing is that reading some of the articles this weekend it seems like it's almost the third time I've heard about the Argos turning a major corner in the Toronto sports marketplace.

People were saying that when they signed Raghid Ismail and were owned by Gretzky-McNall-Candy about 25 years ago, and they also said it when they won the Grey Cup at home only five short years ago. That game apparently was watched by half of the TV sets in the GTA at one point. The following year they averaged about 21,000 per game at SkyDome and they hosted Hamilton in the eastern final before about 35,000 fans.

So I really don't know what to think. How many times will they turn the corner and then quickly fall back to where they used to be?
Ownership is the key. This ownership group gets it and are doing what they need to do to BUILD the fan base not give away tickets to make it look full and then not market
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That was 50 minutes of dud and 10 minutes of total brilliance.
Then fans of some other leagues (of which I am also a fan BTW) who may have tuned in today would not have been too disoriented!
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Ownership is the key. This ownership group gets it and are doing what they need to do to BUILD the fan base not give away tickets to make it look full and then not market
Yup, people often talk about things taking 5 to 10 years, often that doesn't happen and things can turn on a dime, but not in this case. Those last years of Braley ownership really hurt the brand but in a way that might be a good thing. The Argos really have to get out now and earn their spot in the local sports landscape. I actually think it would be best for them not to win the Cup, a few years of being competitive and in the hunt will help them immensely. Good to see some of the Leafs there lending support.

What was it Churchill said: "Now, this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. but it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."

And it might even be too early for that, it's going to be a one ticket at a time deal for the Argos ownership but it looks like they're getting it.
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Ownership is the key. This ownership group gets it and are doing what they need to do to BUILD the fan base not give away tickets to make it look full and then not market
BTW, attendance 24,929, about 10k more than the season average, IIRC
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Messy, spectacular win sends Toronto Argonauts into Grey Cup game — and, maybe, onto path to relevance
About two hours before kickoff in Toronto, there was evidence of the thing people in the Argonauts’ offices keep saying is coming
Scott Stinson The National Post November 19, 2017

TORONTO — At 11 a.m. on Sunday, about two hours before kickoff in the CFL East final, there was evidence of the thing that people in the Toronto Argonauts’ offices keep saying is coming: relevance.

The tailgate area outside BMO Field was full, or at least approaching fullness. It was windy and chilly so close to the shore of Lake Ontario, but hundreds of fans hunkered down in chairs in front of barbecues, or kept themselves warm by playing cornhole. Or did the more obvious warming trick of filling themselves with alcohol.

Still others milled around in front of the live band, an outfit called Dwayne Gretzky that covered rock standards. There was a distinct waft in the air of substances that are not yet legal in Canada but will be next summer. People waved flags and tossed footballs and mugged for TV cameras. A group of men argued about the merits of turkey bacon, which, I mean, really: there are no merits.

Bacon discussion aside, on the whole it was a small picture of the promise that had been mostly unfulfilled for two full seasons, since the Argos’ new owners arranged to move them to BMO Field, an intimate setting that was supposed to be a far superior place to watch a football game and would therefore draw far superior crowds.

Sunday was the first real evidence that such a thing might happen. There was the busy tailgate, with happy people wearing Doug Flutie jerseys and Pinball Clemons jerseys, plus a Santa Claus in a James Wilder, Jr., jersey. (Santa likes his jerseys to be topical, apparently.) There was the trailer selling Argos merchandise, and a table where the guys who make Mike Babcock-branded socks were selling theirs. They even had Babsocks in Rider green.

The Maple Leafs coach was here for the game himself, proudly supporting the visitors, which is the kind of thing you can do when your team is on a hot streak and also when you are in the middle of an eight-year contract that pays you like an elite winger. And in more Leafs news, Mitch Marner was in house, again, and this time he brought Auston Matthews with him.

Some challenges clearly remain. By the time the game was underway, the stands were mostly full, which is most unusual for the Argos at BMO Field, although there were still visible swaths of empty seats. There were also large chunks of fans wearing Roughrider colours, testament to the benefit that the Argos enjoyed by having an East final opponent with the most passionate fan diaspora in the CFL. It was still a convincingly Argo crowd, but there’s little doubt the announced attendance of 24,929 — a record for the team in this stadium — would have been smaller without Saskatchewan participating in the affair.

Assuming that some of those fans had not attended a CFL game in person before, they might have found themselves wondering if the rules were even more different than they were led to believe. Like, is the idea to give the ball to the other team? There were six turnovers in the first half alone, with each team committing three of them. The Argonauts started the game turning the ball over on downs, then going two-and-out, and then losing a fumble. It was perhaps not the best way to woo a new legion of fans.

Despite the offensive offence from the Argos, the Roughriders managed to out-incompetence them early. Quarterback Kevin Glenn was 6-for-13 for 87 yards and three interceptions in the first half, with two of those picks bookending a relief appearance by Brandon Bridge, who was ineffective himself — until the second half.

Bridge, normally the Riders’ third-stringer (HUH? - elly), ended up being the almost-saviour on the day, with 141 yards passing, most of them after halftime, and a 35-yard scramble that started the Saskatchewan comeback. The Riders scored on that drive, and then scored again quickly on a Christion Jones punt return, and then it was over to Ricky Ray and the Argos to bail themselves out on a day in which they had led most of the way despite their many mistakes.

Ray did just that, hitting Wilder for a third-and-five conversion that saved Toronto’s season, and which set up an eventual touchdown dive from short-yardage QB Cody Fajardo.

By the time the fireworks went off to celebrate that score, the crowd had noticeably thinned out, an indication that some of the attendees were not yet totally sold on the idea of CFL football. Diehards know no lead is safe.

But, it was a start, and the fans were treated to a game that was the CFL at its spectacular, messy best: a 25-21 Toronto win that was full of turnovers, and the late Roughrider rally and the even later Argo rally for the win. Nineteen games into their new digs, and it felt like the Argonauts had finally found something on which they can build.
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