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Old Posted Nov 16, 2017, 8:08 PM
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The office portion of the 17th and Curtis project might be underway - they have closed the sidewalk along 17th and seem to be finally tearing down the old ATM kiosk
Either that or they’re getting it ready for a parking lot. Can’t tell yet.
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This is why I am so mad with the Union Station plan. The other one allowed taller buildings. You know there would be a few 400+ ft ones going up there if they would have gone with the other plan. Shoot maybe even a 700ft or 2. But imagine those in there and look how much it would have extended our skyline.
I suggest that the Denver skyline needs to be filled in (with tall towers) rather than extended further. While there has been some improvement in the past 10 years, downtown is still quite linear. There are plenty of empty or underutilized lots east/south of Union Station that can be developed to add greater depth (and still greater density) to the established core. Also, the height limit around Union Station helps to establish that area as a distinct neighborhood within greater downtown.
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2017, 10:42 PM
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I suggest that the Denver skyline needs to be filled in (with tall towers) rather than extended further. While there has been some improvement in the past 10 years, downtown is still quite linear. There are plenty of empty or underutilized lots east/south of Union Station that can be developed to add greater depth (and still greater density) to the established core. Also, the height limit around Union Station helps to establish that area as a distinct neighborhood within greater downtown.
I agree with all of this. Having tall buildings around US would have over shadowed the train station. Plus it’s a better transition from the lower height restrictions in LoDo. I would be more concerned how they build out the rest of Arapahoe Square.
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2017, 11:08 PM
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I agree with all of this. Having tall buildings around US would have over shadowed the train station. Plus it’s a better transition from the lower height restrictions in LoDo. I would be more concerned how they build out the rest of Arapahoe Square.
Overshadowed it how? I could not disagree more. It is dark and bulky down there now - there is nothing about the street level that doesn't feel overshadowed today. Taller sometimes means less bulk and mass. It's great that it built out as quickly as it did, but it's actually quite unpleasant to walk around that area.
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2017, 12:26 AM
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The other plan allowed for TWO tall buildings at ~650 and 550 ft. That's all. Everything else would have been at the height that's currently going up there.
I thought the alternative plan called for two tall towers, yes, but then everything else had to be shorter. It may also not have allowed development of the DUS wing buildings too.

My understanding was that the plan that was eventually selected allowed for slightly taller buildings in all the parcels, just no really tall towers.
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So I just got back from the new Whole Foods... and damn. My expectations for this grocery store were surpassed by wide margins. It was clean, bright, large, with a wide range of supplemental dining options. The selection of items were just at large as your larger Whole Foods stores, if not more. Makes me extremely happy they went all in on this store as opposed to the King Soopers which feels cramped and small for that area.

It also appears the opening has really energized the immediate neighborhood on the street level. There were many more people walking around the DUS neighborhood compared to normal.
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2017, 2:15 PM
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It's a locked article and I can't see anything... Can someone elaborate on this?

EDIT: NVM I got it.
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It's a locked article and I can't see anything... Can someone elaborate on this?

EDIT: NVM I got it.
Looks potentially exciting, but it's locked for me too and no other news outlets seem to have anything on a new Tryba project. =\
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Looks potentially exciting, but it's locked for me too and no other news outlets seem to have anything on a new Tryba project. =\
I can't read it either, but based on the rendering the project is: The tower next to the El Jebel Temple (the former 'Trump' Tower) along with two mixed use buildings on the north side of 18th on Sherman, both of which are zoned for 16 stories and are currently parking lots. One lot is about 3/4 block long the other about 1/4. This is a block away from the new Ace hotel and catholic school renovation.

Aslo: 'But downtown zoning has long permitted tall buildings that block the view of the mountains from the east. The Dikeou-Tryba project proposes to essentially extend the downtown zoning 1-1/2 blocks east to Grant Street. "

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Old Posted Nov 17, 2017, 3:46 PM
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The article mentions that the proposed rezoning would include requests for a "taller" building at 16th and Lincoln/Sherman and a 650 foot tower at 18th and Sherman.
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2017, 3:50 PM
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The article mentions that the proposed rezoning would include requests for a "taller" building at 16th and Lincoln/Sherman and a 650 foot tower at 18th and Sherman.
Wow, it includes another tower at 16th and sherman in addition to the El Jebel tower and 18th and sherman buildings? Looks like the 16th/sherman/lincoln and 18th/sherman lots have the same owner so it makes sense.

This is a TON of surface parking that would hit the dust.
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It's a locked article and I can't see anything... Can someone elaborate on this?

EDIT: NVM I got it.
Godammit. Someone needs to share. Can’t see a thing.
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For those trying to view the article, paste the url into google cache and view as text only.
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Yeah, I can get the text now, but still no "renderings". Although at this stage of the game, it's probably best to assume they are more conceptual in nature until the city actually changes zoning.

I am all for this. As stated earlier, it knocks out several parking lots, and it helps fill in an area that needs it. Plus, it could help serve as a catalyst for development near the pit of lots near Broadway and 19th.

Just when we thought things might be slowing down a bit.....
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2017, 5:14 PM
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Godammit. Someone needs to share. Can’t see a thing.
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A prominent Denver family and a renowned architect are proposing a major redevelopment project along Sherman Street north of the state Capitol that would dramatically alter Denver’s skyline.

The plan, dubbed “Sherman Street North,” would shift current downtown zoning boundaries and remove height restrictions imposed by the City Park view plane, a city rule that restricts the height of buildings immediately east of downtown Denver to the eastern end of City Park.

It would create a five-block-long promenade from the state Capitol to East 20th Avenue, lined by several new buildings, extensive streetscaping, new lighting, new trees and landscaping and other improvements in exchange for loosening height restrictions currently imposed on those city blocks.

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David Tryba . . . is representing the Dikeou family, which owns six parking lots on Sherman Street between East Colfax Avenue and East 20th Streets.

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Tryba says that the goal of the project is the “restoration of Sherman Street’s urban legacy”—an attempt at a promenade resembling the original planning vision of Mayor Robert W. Speer who served two terms from 1904 to 1912.

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The biggest regulatory hurdle to the project is likely to revolve around the height restrictions.

Denver has 14 view planes in place that protect city views of the Front Range, but also various landmarks in the area. The City Park view plane is meant to keep unobstructed the view of the mountains from a point on the west steps of the Museum of Nature and Science that sits within the park.

But downtown zoning has long permitted tall buildings that block the view of the mountains from the east. The Dikeou-Tryba project proposes to essentially extend the downtown zoning 1-1/2 blocks east to Grant Street. The downtown zone runs north and south along a line in the alley between Lincoln and Sherman streets.

The six Dikeou lots along the proposed promenade are adjacent to each other in pairs, with one sitting on East 18th Avenue between Lincoln and Sherman Streets, another at East 18th Avenue between Sherman and Grant Streets. The third site is at 16th Avenue between Lincoln and Sherman Streets across from the new RTD Civic Center Station.

There is currently no set plan for how the buildings will be used, Tryba said, but they will most likely be some combination of hotels, residential, office and retail. Despite receiving a residential inquiry for the 18th and Sherman site, the family wants to keep its options open.

. . .

Tryba has been wooing stakeholders in the area for about a year, meeting with various neighborhood groups and connecting with members of the Denver City Council. At a recent meeting of the Uptown Urban Design Forum, members of the forum seemed supportive.It was the third time Tryba had met with the group.

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Denver Principal Planner Kyle Dalton said the City Park view planes have been in effect since 1975. Variances are rare.

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A 2008 variance request by Sherman Properties and Cahen Architectural Group was shot down by the Denver Planning Board, which said that the 255,000-square-foot, 16-story mixed use facility at the same 18th and Sherman lot did not meet the criteria required to qualify for a waiver.

At that time, the Denver Business Journal reported that view plane variances had only been granted 11 times in the city’s history.

City Councilman Wayne New is optimistic about the plan this time around. He calls the current state of this particular section of Sherman Street “pitiful.”
I can't get the renderings off DBJ, but a google image search for Sherman Street North Dikeou says this was posted at about the same time the article was posted.

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For those trying to view the article, paste the url into google cache and view as text only.
Thanks! I see the following in the source:

https://media.bizj.us/view/img/10705311/sherman-street-north-revitalized*1200xx5472-3078-0-285.jpg
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2017, 5:35 PM
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Another workaround for pay sites like DBJ is to load the article and quickly hit the Esc key before it redirects to the screen telling you to buy an account. It doesn't always work, and is a bit surprising when it still does, but I got it to work on that DBJ article this morning.
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and zoning changes from the same article



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Old Posted Nov 17, 2017, 5:59 PM
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I wonder how the El Jebel tower links in with all of this. It is in the picture on DBJ but is the one lot that is not owned by Dikau. And I wonder if this was a site included in the Amazon bid? A few 650 foot towers plus a few full city blocks on the open market within walking distance in arapahoe square starts to meet what Amazon is looking for.

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