Tempe Development Thread

[muertecaza]

The Westin at 7th St./Mill got its City Counci approval Thursday night. There was some discussion about timelines, and the indication was that the developer is shooting for mass excavation permits by January, and then building permits sometime after that.

[PHXFlyer11]

Originally Posted by muertecaza

The Westin at 7th St./Mill got its City Counci approval Thursday night. There was some discussion about timelines, and the indication was that the developer is shooting for mass excavation permits by January, and then building permits sometime after that.

Awesome! Was it 21-stories? I don't recall...

[stutteringpunk]

Originally Posted by muertecaza

The Westin at 7th St./Mill got its City Counci approval Thursday night. There was some discussion about timelines, and the indication was that the developer is shooting for mass excavation permits by January, and then building permits sometime after that.

Ive seen renderings and the Westin zoning sign, but do you know if the building will stretch to the street corner by Jack in the Box? It'd be nice to have development there instead of just a dirt lot.

[PHXFlyer11]

Originally Posted by stutteringpunk

Ive seen renderings and the Westin zoning sign, but do you know if the building will stretch to the street corner by Jack in the Box? It'd be nice to have development there instead of just a dirt lot.

It will not. Nor would I want it to. That will be saved for a future development. Why one fat tower when you can get potentially two taller towers?

[stutteringpunk]

Originally Posted by PHXFlyer11

It will not. Nor would I want it to. That will be saved for a future development. Why one fat tower when you can get potentially two taller towers?

Because ASU is such a stickler when it comes to tall buildings and could lobby Tempe. They already more or less forced 7th Street Mixed-Use to put the tallest tower in the middle of the complex instead of entirely facing a street. With Westin, you could have more or less guaranteed that street corner had height.

[PHXFlyer11]

Originally Posted by stutteringpunk

Because ASU is such a stickler when it comes to tall buildings and could lobby Tempe. They already more or less forced 7th Street Mixed-Use to put the tallest tower in the middle of the complex instead of entirely facing a street. With Westin, you could have more or less guaranteed that street corner had height.

My point is 2 projects are better than 1. Tempe has the say on mill and is concerned with height directly on mill. ASU has more to do with the college Ave project. We are no longer at the point where we need to beg for vacant land to be built. Any vacant land left now will just increase in density over time when developed.

[combusean]

Originally Posted by stutteringpunk

Because ASU is such a stickler when it comes to tall buildings and could lobby Tempe. They already more or less forced 7th Street Mixed-Use to put the tallest tower in the middle of the complex instead of entirely facing a street. With Westin, you could have more or less guaranteed that street corner had height.

This probably has more to do with ASU being less of a university these days and more of a real-estate developer.

If somebody puts up a hotel or dorm before them, which is almost always a guarantee, ASU is in direct competition when they finally get around to a developer building one on campus.

Their hypocrisy is clear with Mirabella, 20 stories and hanging off the street.

[stutteringpunk]

Originally Posted by combusean

This probably has more to do with ASU being less of a university these days and more of a real-estate developer.

If somebody puts up a hotel or dorm before them, which is almost always a guarantee, ASU is in direct competition when they finally get around to a developer building one on campus.

Their hypocrisy is clear with Mirabella, 20 stories and hanging off the street.

Yeah, that did strike me as garbage when ASU announced they'd be building their own tall retirement tower after so much fuss. Still, it's better than all the usual 5-story buildings they regularly construct.

[CrestedSaguaro]

Took a trip to Tempe over the weekend. I haven't been there in several months. Man, Tempe is fast becoming one of the largest suburban downtowns in the country! So many cranes in the sky.

Can someone post a breakdown of what's getting built currently? I haven't been keeping up on Tempe development scene as much since moving to North Phoenix.

[PHXFlyer11]

Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

Took a trip to Tempe over the weekend. I haven't been there in several months. Man, Tempe is fast becoming one of the largest suburban downtowns in the country! So many cranes in the sky.

Can someone post a breakdown of what's getting built currently? I haven't been keeping up on Tempe development scene as much since moving to North Phoenix.

Is the crane up for The Pier? I recall pictures of the base going in, but I haven't noticed it in the sky and it's been almost a month...

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

Took a trip to Tempe over the weekend. I haven't been there in several months. Man, Tempe is fast becoming one of the largest suburban downtowns in the country! So many cranes in the sky.

Can someone post a breakdown of what's getting built currently? I haven't been keeping up on Tempe development scene as much since moving to North Phoenix.

Really Phoenix has like 5 "downtowns" or at least it did, Old Town, Biltmore, Mill, Midtown and Downtown

Old Town has stagnated, so I think it gets a demotion and will stick to an upscale entertainment district, Mill and Downtown are definitely primary with Midtown and Biltmore serving as secondary high end office locations.

However lots of cities have secondary "downtowns" expecially large metro areas.

[Sun Belt]

Originally Posted by Obadno

Really Phoenix has like 5 "downtowns" or at least it did, Old Town, Biltmore, Mill, Midtown and Downtown

Old Town has stagnated, so I think it gets a demotion and will stick to an upscale entertainment district, Mill and Downtown are definitely primary with Midtown and Biltmore serving as secondary high end office locations.

However lots of cities have secondary "downtowns" expecially large metro areas.

Yeah I don't consider Tempe (North Tempe) to be a suburb. If you eliminate the arbitrary city limits it is a core urban/job center of Metro Phoenix. The daytime population swells, most suburbs would see a drop in their daytime population levels.

[muertecaza]

Originally Posted by PHXFlyer11

Is the crane up for The Pier? I recall pictures of the base going in, but I haven't noticed it in the sky and it's been almost a month...

The crane is up, but barely above ground level. It's been up for a few weeks, without much work being done. Not sure what's going on. But I haven't seen that their building permit has been approved, so maybe that's the hold up?

Can someone post a breakdown of what's getting built currently? I haven't been keeping up on Tempe development scene as much since moving to North Phoenix.

Here is my running list (let me know if I missed something):

Under Construction

Aura Watermark 1A - Office - 15 stories - 281 ft.
7th St. - Residential/Mixed - 20/16/12 stories - 224 ft.
The Local - Residential/Mixed - 9 stories - 118 ft.
ASU Biodesign C - Education - 5 stories - 95 ft.
Aura Watermark 1B - Residential - 7 stories - 90 ft.
Jefferson Town Lake - Residential - 6 stories - 86 ft.
University Village 2.0/Sterling - Residential - 5 stories - 75 ft.
Crescent Rio - Residential - 5 stories - 62.5 ft.
Freedom Rio - Office - 4 stories - 62 ft.
Valor on Eighth - Residential - 4 stories - 60 ft.
Broadstone Lakewsie - Residential - 4 stories - 50 ft.

In Review for Building Permit

The Pier - Residential/Mixed - 22 stories - 283 ft.
ASU Mirabella - Residential/Mixed - 20 stories - 250 ft.
Grand @ Papago - Office - 9 stories - 150 feet
Metro 101 - Residential - 4 stories - 67 ft.
Streetlights Rio - Residential - 4 stories - 60 ft.
Broadstone at the Grand - Residential - 4 stories - 35 ft (above Washington because it set below street level)

Plan approved or in Planning and Appear Active

Cambria on College (Hawaiian BBQ lot) - Hotel/Residential - 22 stories - 271 ft.
Skyview - Residential - 24 stories - 249 ft.
Westin Tempe - Hotel - 18 stories - 225 ft.
Omni Hotel - 13 stories
Biomedical Campus - Office - 5-8 stories
Hayden Flour Mill - Office - 71 ft.
Park Place - Residential - 5 stories - 69 ft.
Daybreak Apartments - Residential - 4 stories - 42.5 ft.

Plan approved or in Planning but appear to have stalled

707 S. Forest - Residential - 27 stories - 295 ft.
Villas at Southbank - Residential - 17 stories - 211 ft.
One Hundred Mill - Mixed - 15 stories - 191 ft.
Farmer Arts 2 - Office - 5 stories - 98 ft.
Eastline Village - Residential - 7 stories - 90 ft.
Apache + Oak - Residential - 5 stories - 69.5 ft.

Pre-Planning or Rumors

Tempe Towers/University Mixed Use (Ash/3rd St.) - ?
Gilbane project (Terrace/Apache) - ?


In addition to these there are several smaller rowhouse/townhome/attached developments in the neighborhood west of Mill and north of University, and a lot always going on in the Liberty Center development west of Priest.

[CrestedSaguaro]

Originally Posted by Sun Belt

Yeah I don't consider Tempe (North Tempe) to be a suburb. If you eliminate the arbitrary city limits it is a core urban/job center of Metro Phoenix. The daytime population swells, most suburbs would see a drop in their daytime population levels.

I'm not going to get in a debate what a suburb is and what a suburb isn't as there are many, many arguments of what constitutes a suburb. In this case, I am saying suburb in the context that it is not the primary/central/core city of the larger metropolitan area. I always consider bordering cities a suburb regardless of the density, urban makeup or infrastructure if it is not the core city in which it is adjacent. Sorry, if it offends anyone living in Tempe. That is just my preference

*Edit: Thanks for the list Muertecaza! So, that gives Tempe 6 or 7 possible developments that are in the process or up and coming that will be over 200'. Awesome!

[Sun Belt]

Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

I'm not going to get in a debate what a suburb is and what a suburb isn't as there are many, many arguments of what constitutes a suburb. In this case, I am saying suburb in the context that it is not the primary/central/core city of the larger metropolitan area. I always consider bordering cities a suburb regardless of the density, urban makeup or infrastructure if it is not the core city in which it is adjacent. Sorry, if it offends anyone living in Tempe. That is just my preference

You shouldn't worry about offending anybody about this subject.

The primary central core city of Phoenix constitutes numerous suburban villages like Laveen and Ahwatukee. These are definitely suburban in nature even though they are within the core city limits whereas North Tempe is much more of a city, yet despite this it is considered a suburb of the central, core city of Phoenix.

If you eliminate the political boundaries and consider where the most economic activity is occurring in "The Valley", Tempe is right there with downtown/midtown Phoenix and perhaps parts of Scottsdale with the all important tourism aspect.

[CrestedSaguaro]

Originally Posted by Sun Belt

If you eliminate the political boundaries and consider where the most economic activity is occurring in "The Valley", Tempe is right there with downtown/midtown Phoenix and perhaps parts of Scottsdale with the all important tourism aspect.

Of course it is. Tempe is giving Phoenix a run for It's money! Just to be clear, I'm comparing Tempe to "suburbs" such as Bellevue,WA, Buckhead, GA or Clayton, MO. Not places like Peoria or Goodyear.

I'll rephrase my previous post. Tempe is fast becoming one of the largest "non-central city" downtowns in the country. I hope that clarifies what is was trying to get at

[TAZ4ate0]

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[vandypandybear]

You're forgetting the Airpark/Kierland area. This will be the densest corridor in Scottsdale within a few years. A lot of exciting projects up there.

BTW, the DRC packet is available for the Hayden Mill project.

[Spitfiredude]

Originally Posted by vandypandybear

You're forgetting the Airpark/Kierland area. This will be the densest corridor in Scottsdale within a few years.

Lol....Airpark is definitely not going to be more dense than Old Town. Second, yes.

[RichTempe]

From AZ Central:

Arizona Supreme Court declines to hear Tempe 'squatter' case


https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/loc...pe-squatter-steve-sussex-case/872013001/


Hopefully they can finally get something going with that piece of land and get rid of the junkyard.