HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Ontario > Hamilton > Downtown & City of Hamilton


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #3901  
Old Posted Oct 30, 2017, 3:17 PM
Chronamut's Avatar
Chronamut Chronamut is offline
Hamilton Historian
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 3,236
Quote:
Originally Posted by drpgq View Post
Certainly would be a nice sized venue. Would also probably be a lot cheaper to rent than
the studio at Hamilton Place in terms of rental. I saw Robert Fisk speak there a couple of years ago and it was a good venue.


Downtown Hamilton church re-envisions itself as a concert hall

https://www.thespec.com/news-story/76846...h-re-envisions-itself-as-a-concert-hall/

f Hamilton wants to truly consider itself a "music city," it needs a mid-sized performance venue, something smaller than the 2,100-seat FirstOntario Concert Hall and something bigger than the 450-capacity Studio at Hamilton Place, something that can hold 600 to 1,100 people.

Rev. Ian Sloan at New Vision United Church has a simple solution. Bring his congregation's 149-year-old building up to building and fire code regulations and you have a concert hall just the right size, with outstanding sightlines and proven acoustics.
don't hold your breath - we all know how developments go that rely on charity to raise the money to do it..

Quote:
Originally Posted by King&James View Post
^ This is where good and thoughtful design comes into play. Very large lot. Not sure of coverage by zoning, but at say 11 times, and 25% coverage, nationally you get 44 storeys. With a decent set back from James for the Tower and step-back design, you get an interesting building form, lessened shadow impact, and the ability to create some human scale at street front / curbside that could add some real dimension to this area of downtown.
did you forget to add a picture?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3902  
Old Posted Oct 31, 2017, 3:09 PM
LikeHamilton's Avatar
LikeHamilton LikeHamilton is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Posts: 2,759
The Carmen's Group will be announcing today that they will be moving their corporate offices downtown. They will be moving into the building that houses the McMaster's Centre for Continuing Education (Former BMO building), 1 James Street North on to the top floor at the north end. They have started renovations. They hope to have their corporate logo and signage up in a few weeks and move in in about 6 to 8 weeks.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3903  
Old Posted Oct 31, 2017, 4:56 PM
king10 king10 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 2,776
Quote:
Originally Posted by LikeHamilton View Post
The Carmen's Group will be announcing today that they will be moving their corporate offices downtown. They will be moving into the building that houses the McMaster's Centre for Continuing Education (Former BMO building), 1 James Street North on to the top floor at the north end. They have started renovations. They hope to have their corporate logo and signage up in a few weeks and move in in about 6 to 8 weeks.
nice to have more tennants downtown. thought mac had the entire pavilion
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3904  
Old Posted Nov 1, 2017, 11:14 PM
Dr Awesomesauce's Avatar
Dr Awesomesauce Dr Awesomesauce is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: BEYOND THE OUTER RIM
Posts: 5,889
Is it stupid to ask why? Is it strategic in some way or are they just bored of the South-East Mountain?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3905  
Old Posted Nov 1, 2017, 11:23 PM
thistleclub thistleclub is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 3,729
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Awesomesauce View Post
Is it stupid to ask why?
#100kingwestcasino
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3906  
Old Posted Nov 1, 2017, 11:48 PM
Dr Awesomesauce's Avatar
Dr Awesomesauce Dr Awesomesauce is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: BEYOND THE OUTER RIM
Posts: 5,889
A casino in Stelco Tower? Ooooookay.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3907  
Old Posted Nov 2, 2017, 12:07 AM
LikeHamilton's Avatar
LikeHamilton LikeHamilton is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Posts: 2,759
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Awesomesauce View Post
Is it stupid to ask why? Is it strategic in some way or are they just bored of the South-East Mountain?
I think their operation at the convention centre is a bigger operation.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3908  
Old Posted Nov 2, 2017, 12:35 AM
Dr Awesomesauce's Avatar
Dr Awesomesauce Dr Awesomesauce is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: BEYOND THE OUTER RIM
Posts: 5,889
Right, forgot about that. Cheers.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3909  
Old Posted Nov 2, 2017, 2:16 AM
eatboots eatboots is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 243
oof Carmen's has a pretty ugly logo, I guess you cant make Jackson Square/City Centre look any worse.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3910  
Old Posted Nov 2, 2017, 2:23 AM
Chronamut's Avatar
Chronamut Chronamut is offline
Hamilton Historian
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 3,236
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Awesomesauce View Post
A casino in Stelco Tower? Ooooookay.
hey there used to be a skating rink in jackson, why not lol
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3911  
Old Posted Nov 2, 2017, 3:21 AM
TheRitsman TheRitsman is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 3,055
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chronamut View Post
hey there used to be a skating rink in jackson, why not lol
Really?? When, and where was it? Do you have any pictures?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3912  
Old Posted Nov 2, 2017, 4:45 AM
Chronamut's Avatar
Chronamut Chronamut is offline
Hamilton Historian
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 3,236
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRitsman View Post
Really?? When, and where was it? Do you have any pictures?
On March 25, 1986 the mall management informed Alderman Shirley Collins that the underused skating rink on the second floor of the office building that had been constructed during the second phase would be shut down by May 3. The city, recognizing the need for ice rinks downtown and public facilities in the square, urged the citizens of Hamilton to use the skating rink in droves and demanded that Yale Properties not make a final decision until they had held discussions with city planners.

To combat the announcement from a civilian perspective, a skating instructor started a petition to keep the rink open on March 31, 1986 that, within a day, garnered a hundred signatures. Finally, on April 9, the president of Jackson Square announced that the skating rink would turn into a seasonal facility that would open in November and run until March, a decision that still resulted in the loss of the attendants' careers.

A few months later on July 18, 1986, The Spectator reported that the mall's first restaurant would close permanently by the end of August. Murray's Restaurant, which had been a local favourite for over a decade, was no longer able to sustain itself under the high rents and early closure times. "We have to do business between 9 o'clock in the morning and 4:30 or 5 o'clock in the afternoon…Rent was $6,000 a month," said Alfred Wyss, vice-president of Murray's.

Soon after the announcement, Dooney's Restaurant ceased business as well. Suddenly, with an ice rink that lay dormant for most of the year and two seemingly successful and greatly admired restaurants gone, the public was once again forced to examine the super-block's promise for an improved Hamilton and its ability to remain the heart of the city's lifeblood.

-----


By the end of the 1980s, the world of retail was in a volatile state. The entrance of fast-fashion stores into the North American market saturated smaller local and regional brands, causing most of them to close, consolidate or update their marketing profile. At the same time, department stores were losing their grasp on the market as American big-box stores entered Canada and shoppers turned to high-fashion merchants for their clothing purchases.

With Limeridge Mall opening on the Hamilton escarpment in 1981, Jackson Square faced fierce competition from a wheelchair accessible, freeparking, two-storey complex that was host to three successful department stores and various high-end stores paying cheaper rents. It was not long until shoppers, seeing a clear contrast between the two commercial shopping centres, criticized Jackson Square's outdated look, expensive parking, cavernous feel, and barren rooftop plaza.

A final sting came on April 27, 1989, when Yale Properties announced that it would close the skating rink and replace it with a daycare centre for the office workers, an idea that never came to full fruition.

-----

I have only ever seen ONE image of it, and that was a long time ago,.. who knows where the image is now..

also this study appears to show the only surviving pictures of the ORIGINAL jackson square plans which were supposed to have gardans and a planatarium, which all got scrapped.

http://www.academia.edu/16885107/The_Sto...se_of_an_Urban_Heritage_Renewal_Movement

Last edited by Chronamut; Nov 2, 2017 at 1:25 PM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3913  
Old Posted Nov 2, 2017, 10:19 AM
King&James's Avatar
King&James King&James is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 1,321
The skating rink was on the second level of the Standard Life Tower facing what was Copps Coliseum. Pretty tiny with concrete columns in the middle.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3914  
Old Posted Nov 2, 2017, 5:01 PM
drpgq drpgq is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Hamilton/Dresden
Posts: 1,859
Murray's Restaurant, which had been a local favourite for over a decade, was no longer able to sustain itself under the high rents and early closure times. "We have to do business between 9 o'clock in the morning and 4:30 or 5 o'clock in the afternoon…Rent was $6,000 a month," said Alfred Wyss, vice-president of Murray's.

$6,000 a month in 1986. Wow. Anyone know where Murray's was located?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3915  
Old Posted Nov 2, 2017, 7:13 PM
Chronamut's Avatar
Chronamut Chronamut is offline
Hamilton Historian
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 3,236
Quote:
Originally Posted by drpgq View Post
Murray's Restaurant, which had been a local favourite for over a decade, was no longer able to sustain itself under the high rents and early closure times. "We have to do business between 9 o'clock in the morning and 4:30 or 5 o'clock in the afternoon…Rent was $6,000 a month," said Alfred Wyss, vice-president of Murray's.

$6,000 a month in 1986. Wow. Anyone know where Murray's was located?
it was where denningers is now.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3916  
Old Posted Nov 2, 2017, 8:16 PM
lachlanholmes's Avatar
lachlanholmes lachlanholmes is offline
Forever forward.
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 878
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chronamut View Post
it was where denningers is now.
Where Denningers was. They closed a little over a year ago I believe.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3917  
Old Posted Nov 3, 2017, 12:48 AM
Chronamut's Avatar
Chronamut Chronamut is offline
Hamilton Historian
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 3,236
Quote:
Originally Posted by scootaround View Post
Where Denningers was. They closed a little over a year ago I believe.
I stand corrected, where it WAS.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3918  
Old Posted Nov 3, 2017, 3:27 AM
King&James's Avatar
King&James King&James is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 1,321
thought Dennigers was in that small hallway that angled back to food court / farmers market.

dont recall the name of the restaraunt that was at the north entrance of JS , just west of Library.... maybe Brooks, green awnings .... man that was a while ago
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3919  
Old Posted Nov 3, 2017, 11:55 AM
matt602's Avatar
matt602 matt602 is offline
Hammer'd
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Hamilton, ON
Posts: 4,785
Quote:
Originally Posted by King&James View Post
thought Dennigers was in that small hallway that angled back to food court / farmers market.

dont recall the name of the restaraunt that was at the north entrance of JS , just west of Library.... maybe Brooks, green awnings .... man that was a while ago
you're right about both of those.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3920  
Old Posted Nov 14, 2017, 3:37 AM
Chronamut's Avatar
Chronamut Chronamut is offline
Hamilton Historian
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 3,236
rebuild hamilton posted this on twitter, figured it deserved a repost

http://theinletonline.com/hamilton-development-boom-mid-rises/
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Ontario > Hamilton > Downtown & City of Hamilton
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 12:39 PM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.