O-Train Line 2/4 [Stage 2 | Greenboro to Limebank/Airport] | In Service

[Richard Eade]

I believe that they have previously used green markings to indicate the start/end of track blocks, but I don't know if that is what your markings mean.

[waterloowarrior]

Trillium Line Environmental Assessment South Terminus Update
http://ottawa.ca/2/en/city-hall/public-e...nmental-assessment-south-terminus-update

Please join the City of Ottawa to learn more about the updated south terminus of the Stage 2 Light Rail Transit (LRT) Trillium Line.

At this public information session, staff will:

Provide a brief overview of the updated Trillium Line alignment and potential extension to Limebank Road
Gather input regarding desired pedestrian and cyclist access to the future Earl Armstrong/Bowesville LRT Station
Agenda

6:30 p.m. – Doors open: Opportunity to view information boards and speak with City staff
7:00 p.m. – Presentation begins
8:00 p.m. – Breakout sessions begin
8:30 p.m. – Breakout sessions end

Address:
St. Jerome School
4330 Spratt Road
Ottawa, ON K1V 2A7
Date:
Wednesday, October 25, 2017 - 18:30

[PHrenetic]

Good Day..... new presentation up on Stage 2 website :

Trillium Line Environmental Assessment South Terminus Update – October 25, 2017 – Presentation

http://www.stage2lrt.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/TR_EPR_Changes_Limebank_ENG_FINAL.pdf

Start of both of the shift EPR amendment, and the protection EPR for the Limebank extension.

EnJoy!

[FFX-ME]

Originally Posted by PHrenetic

Good Day..... new presentation up on Stage 2 website :

Trillium Line Environmental Assessment South Terminus Update – October 25, 2017 – Presentation

http://www.stage2lrt.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/TR_EPR_Changes_Limebank_ENG_FINAL.pdf

Start of both of the shift EPR amendment, and the protection EPR for the Limebank extension.

EnJoy!

Crazy, How can anyone look at those graphics and pictures and say "YES! This field in the middle of nowhere with no human residents needs rapid transit!"

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by FFX-ME

Crazy, How can anyone look at those graphics and pictures and say "YES! This field in the middle of nowhere with no human residents needs rapid transit!"

We built a Bus Crappid Transit system that had more groundhogs living along the corridor than humans, so why not?

[lrt's friend]

zero residents within walking distance, zero walking or biking infrastructure to where people actually live. Lots of talk on all kinds of subjects but nothing about how this improves transit service. A lot of money being expended to improve roads in order to access the station. In other words, you need to drive there to make use of it. An empty lot surrounded by other empty lots for the foreseeable future. And the road construction will promote other road construction.

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

zero residents within walking distance, zero walking or biking infrastructure to where people actually live. Lots of talk on all kinds of subjects but nothing about how this improves transit service. A lot of money being expended to improve roads in order to access the station. In other words, you need to drive there to make use of it. An empty lot surrounded by other empty lots for the foreseeable future. And the road construction will promote other road construction.

I think this station will actually be super popular with commuters, which means when Phase II is complete, Bayview at the other end will be just as fun as Bloor-Yonge....

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by kmcamp

I think this station will actually be super popular with commuters, which means when Phase II is complete, Bayview at the other end will be just as fun as Bloor-Yonge....

How do you define "super popular?" Riverside South has only just shy of 15,000 residents.

[MaxHeadroom]

One station at Leitrim, the other at Riverside South. Bowesville/Earl Armstrong is just plain dumb.

Really I would like to see the line just continue through the airport for simplicity, but the chances of that happening is just about zero.

[GoTrans]

Originally Posted by MaxHeadroom

One station at Leitrim, the other at Riverside South. Bowesville/Earl Armstrong is just plain dumb.

Really I would like to see the line just continue through the airport for simplicity, but the chances of that happening is just about zero.

You are absolutely right but if the city won't pay for significant double tracking, it certainly won't pay for a tunnel under the runways at YOW. This would get rid of the silliness of having to change trains to get to/from the airport at South Keys or Greenboro.

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by roger1818

How do you define "super popular?" Riverside South has only just shy of 15,000 residents.

Between Riverside South and Findley Creek, there's plenty of people to fill up the two car trains. The Trillium Line only has a capacity less than 3000 ppl/hr after stage 2 (~550/train and only 5 trains per hour at 12 minute frequencies). You don't need Orleans/Kanata sized populations to fill that.

So of course it won't be like Bloor Yonge where you're dumping 6 car subway trains every few minutes, but Bayview is going to be pretty crowded every time a Trillium Line train arrives, and since it's likely that the Confed Line trains will already be pretty full from the bus transfers at Tunneys, it's going to take a while to get all those people onto the westbound trains

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by kmcamp

Between Riverside South and Findley Creek, there's plenty of people to fill up the two car trains. The Trillium Line only has a capacity less than 3000 ppl/hr after stage 2 (~550/train and only 5 trains per hour at 12 minute frequencies). You don't need Orleans/Kanata sized populations to fill that.

Findley Creek has a population of under 9000. That totals less than 24,000. Now not all of those people work (some are children, some might be retired and some might not work for another reason). So maybe half do work (the national average is 49.6%), so 12,000?. Then not everyone who works commute to work (about 7% work from home). I will disregard that because it is small. Then according to a 2011 study, 11% of those who commute to work, use transit (so about 1300). Then those that use transit to commute, may not work in a direction that the Trillium Line would be useful (some will work locally or in Barrhaven). I don't have stats for that, but lets say 1200 people in those two communities use the Trillium Line for their commute. Given that rush hour is about 2 hours long, the trillium line has a total capacity for about 6000 commuters or about 5 times my estimate of the the current commuters from those two communities. Granted, some more will board from stations further north, but many of those would rather take a bus to Hurdman instead to avoid a transfer.

Now I think it is silly what the city is doing with the Trillium line, but capacity is not one of the problems.

[lrt's friend]

We cannot run the train just to the airport. Traffic is already unmanageable in the area and you cannot just consider Findlay Creek and Riverside South. There will be people coming from Barrhaven, it is straight line across the bridge and there are thousands coming in from the south rural areas. We also have to make sure that the trains can handle existing ridership, which already fills one car every 12 minutes during peak periods. The need is already there and the train will spur further development at an accelerated pace.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

We cannot run the train just to the airport. Traffic is already unmanageable in the area and you cannot just consider Findlay Creek and Riverside South. There will be people coming from Barrhaven, it is straight line across the bridge and there are thousands coming in from the south rural areas. We also have to make sure that the trains can handle existing ridership, which already fills one car every 12 minutes during peak periods. The need is already there and the train will spur further development at an accelerated pace.

I will sound like a broken record, but we would be far better off extending the south-eastern transitway to Bowesville than the Trillium line. It would provide more than enough capacity (certainly more than the Trillium line plan) and would provide single transfer service to downtown (or anywhere on either LRT line). It would likely also be cheaper.

[Vixx]

There is demand for the Trillium line to extend further south. It's such a pain having to bus from Findlay Creek, RSS and Barrhaven to Greensboro and take the train. I'm lucky enough that I just drove to Greenboro when I needed to take the train to Carleton, however a number of my friends live/lived in the south end and they always bitched how much of a pain it was to wait for the bus and get to the station.

As let's friend mentioned as well, you have to account for people coming in from Barrhaven and places like Greely and Metcalfe who would be happy for an extended line so they can get to work into the city. I just really hope the city will double track, not doing so will be a huge mistake.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Vixx

There is demand for the Trillium line to extend further south. It's such a pain having to bus from Findlay Creek, RSS and Barrhaven to Greensboro and take the train. I'm lucky enough that I just drove to Greenboro when I needed to take the train to Carleton, however a number of my friends live/lived in the south end and they always bitched how much of a pain it was to wait for the bus and get to the station.

A train with a maximum possible frequency of once every 12 minutes that you have to bus or drive to is going to be no better than improved bus service with frequencies that can meet demand.

As let's friend mentioned as well, you have to account for people coming in from Barrhaven and places like Greely and Metcalfe who would be happy for an extended line so they can get to work into the city.

People in Barrhaven who work downtown won't use this routing (bus south-east to Bowesville, train north-west to Bayview, and train east to downtown), they will take a bus north to Baseline and one train north-west to downtown. Carleton Students might, as might those who work in Ottawa South, though they may also use the Baseline BRT that is being planned.

I just really hope the city will double track, not doing so will be a huge mistake.

There are absolutely no plans to double track the Trillium Line, which is one of the main reasons why I feel extending the south-eastern transitway would be better (faster, fewer connections, increased frequency of service, increased capacity, lower cost). The only problem is it isn't a 5 letter word that begins with a T and ends with an N.

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by roger1818

I will sound like a broken record, but we would be far better off extending the south-eastern transitway to Bowesville than the Trillium line. It would provide more than enough capacity (certainly more than the Trillium line plan) and would provide single transfer service to downtown (or anywhere on either LRT line). It would likely also be cheaper.

I still think that long-term, he Trillium line will be kept as a diesel line serving Carleton, the Airport and potentially Gatineau. While the line to Riverside South will be converted to electric LRT as an extension of a SE Transitway electric LRT from Hurdman.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

I still think that long-term, he Trillium line will be kept as a diesel line serving Carleton, the Airport and potentially Gatineau. While the line to Riverside South will be converted to electric LRT as an extension of a SE Transitway electric LRT from Hurdman.

To do that, extending the south-eastern transitway for now makes the most sense. The only thing I would change is have the electric LRT go to Billings Bridge instead and then follow a greenfield route to downtown (a "Bank St" route, though it may not actually follow Bank st). The section between Billings Bridge and Hurdman would be an extension of the Baseline BRT. It makes for a decent southern crosstown route with 4 connections to LRT (Hurdman in the east, Billings Bridge in the south-east, Baseline in the south-west and Bayshore in the west).

[lrt's friend]

The problem is that nobody at City Hall is doing any sensible or long-term thinking about a proper trunk transit line to the south end of the city. South of Billings Bridge and Baseline Road, we are talking about 250,000 people today. We are so consumed with getting the Confederation Line to Trim Road and Stittsville first, we can't even draw a line on a map for the south end that actually goes downtown, whether it be doing the Trillium Line correctly or converting the southeast transitway to LRT and connecting it at Hurdman or building a Bank Street subway.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Vixx

There is demand for the Trillium line to extend further south. It's such a pain having to bus from Findlay Creek, RSS and Barrhaven to Greensboro and take the train. I'm lucky enough that I just drove to Greenboro when I needed to take the train to Carleton, however a number of my friends live/lived in the south end and they always bitched how much of a pain it was to wait for the bus and get to the station.

As let's friend mentioned as well, you have to account for people coming in from Barrhaven and places like Greely and Metcalfe who would be happy for an extended line so they can get to work into the city. I just really hope the city will double track, not doing so will be a huge mistake.

I don't have any opinion on the mechanics of the line, but in terms of users, tons of people will drive some distance from places like Greely and Metcalfe and beyond in order to take the train into town.

Transitway lines coming into town from places like Orleans and Kanata have a lot of people using them from places that are far outside the city limits.