ATLANTA | Development Thread VI

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by RocketSurgeon

One of the main reasons zoning exists is to keep density at a level an infrastructure can support. There's not much point in even having it if you're not going to regulate at least that much. For it to be raised we'd need to build new roads, transit lines, utilities, etc., which ranges from difficult to impossible in an area that's already developed.

You're implying progress in Midtown is held back by density restrictions. That's not the case. It's lacking in density because it's underdeveloped and has several vacant lots due to a lack of demand. A FAR of 10 is actually pretty high, it's just not high enough for supertalls.

I have never seen much evidence that zoning is designed to help infrastructure. There are never people from the GA Power or the water company in meetings were zoning is set.At best NIMBYs try to use them as weapons once a project is already proposed. And even if so, those things can be upgraded using user & impact fees. Roads / cars will never be able to sustain urban density, so they should not be a factor. And midtown (and many places in the metro with much lower density zoning) is right on a heavy rail line which is very underutilized.

Actually I would say the limits on density are having a much more harmful effect by contributing to the under utilization of transit, walking, & biking and thus forcing many into cars than the other way around.

[Ant131531]

Originally Posted by Pemgin

looks to be about 600'

Nah. Skyhouse is about 250 feet high and it looks slightly taller than two skyhouses on top of each other. I would estimate between 520-550 feet in that picture.

EDIT: Also compare it to the Four Seasons building which is 609' at it's highest....doesn't look as tall.

[Pemgin]

Originally Posted by Ant131531

Nah. Skyhouse is about 250 feet high and it looks slightly taller than two skyhouses on top of each other. I would estimate between 520-550 feet in that picture.

EDIT: Also compare it to the Four Seasons building which is 609' at it's highest....doesn't look as tall.

Yeah, taking a second look I think you're right. Still, anything >500' in that location will make a big impact on the skyline.

[West Peachtree]

Originally Posted by joecool

Yaaaaaaasssssssssssssssssssssssss

Sure do hate to ask, but does anyone know how to overlay a description of each of the many Midtown buildings in this rendering?

Trying to get bearings straight.

Many thanks !

Back to Spring and Tenth, has anyone seen renderings of the proposed 28 story, i think, tower replacing this Domino's to Peachtree Place corner?

[sbrptree]

Originally Posted by RocketSurgeon

Hate to sound like a broken record, but the reason Atlanta isn't getting taller buildings is because most development is happening in Midtown where zoning makes it impractical to build anything over 30-40 stories. The maximum square footage allowed is about 10x the land area. We should get some taller projects when Downtown makes a comeback. The maximum square footage there is more like 30-40x the land area.

I may be off, but I thought the SPI(s) in Midtown permitted buildings along Peachtree St to be any height...they restrict by SF? Seems odd and counter to developing a true urban area IMO

[Street Advocate]

Originally Posted by West Peachtree

Sure do hate to ask, but does anyone know how to overlay a description of each of the many Midtown buildings in this rendering?

Trying to get bearings straight.

Many thanks !

Back to Spring and Tenth, has anyone seen renderings of the proposed 28 story, i think, tower replacing this Domino's to Peachtree Place corner?

Top right corner of the image is north. The Student housing project is shown below. This thread and curbed are good places to look for developments and photos:

[Street Advocate]

Man 3000, I was really hoping this master plan was going to include 1125 Peachtree!! I would’ve choked on my lunch had that been true

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by Street Advocate

Man 3000, I was really hoping this master plan was going to include 1125 Peachtree!! I would’ve choked on my lunch had that been true

No joke - I would have had a "Code Brown".

[NickH]

This doesn't have anything to do with development but... the next Avengers movie is being shot at the Procentium building (Peachtree & 14th) next week. They put a Stark Industry sign in the lobby Friday (now covered). Nice to see more of our skyline and buildings on the big screen.

[Atlanta3000]

More Hints Apple is Coming to Colony Square....

https://twitter.com/MarkToro/status/924452600409452544

[Martinman]

Originally Posted by jwbab

Coincidentally, an updated SPI 16 (Midtown) zoning code was recently passed by the City, effective the beginning of October. Here is a link:
https://www.midtownatl.com/_files/docs/-spi-16-update-(092017)-full-clean-with-maps.pdf

And here is a summary:https://www.midtownatl.com/_files/docs/-of-midtown-spi-16-zoning-text-amendments-0905.pdf

There are still no height restrictions (with the exception of the transition zone towards Piedmont). The primary restraint remains FAR maximums. However, the categories of FAR bonuses has been greatly expanded to incentivize the types of things you mention.

Way to go Midtown!

It's too bad that its coming on the tail end of a major boom but I am very pleased that the district continues to refine and update requirements for development. A great place starts with a great plan.

[Atlanta3000]

These rendering suggest the FDA site in Midtown is staying put

[Street Advocate]

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

These rendering suggest the FDA site in Midtown is staying put

The guy's webpage makes it appear these images are 7 years old... Not sure on this one, as his rendering quality are pretty sleek:

http://www.coroflot.com/Keepers/CG

Edit: Nevermind, the page has been updated as recently as October 2014. Still looking into how recent the images are.

[Ant131531]

Even if it was October 2014, didn't they only recently decide not to renew their lease and move to another location? So I really doubt that is what is happening on the site.

[Martinman]

Originally Posted by Ant131531

Even if it was October 2014, didn't they only recently decide not to renew their lease and move to another location? So I really doubt that is what is happening on the site.

Correct.

The FDA decided to consolidate operations in The Crawford Building and another location into one space and they are seeking 162k SF of office space. The rendering was apparently done prior to making the decision to seek a new location.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bisnow/2017...ation-lab-space-in-atlanta/#555067df7aee

[PhunkyPho]

https://atlanta.curbed.com/atlanta-devel...after-images-midtown-atlanta-development

[MdtwnATL]

Originally Posted by Martinman

Correct.

The FDA decided to consolidate operations in The Crawford Building and another location into one space and they are seeking 162k SF of office space. The rendering was apparently done prior to making the decision to seek a new location.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bisnow/2017...ation-lab-space-in-atlanta/#555067df7aee

Thank God. That needs new development in the worst way.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

New Tower being built next door to Hanover Buckhead fronting Roswell Rd. as well

[jwbab]

Interesting impact fee estimate request filed for the Gulch today. If this is indicative in any way of the scope of the Gulch redevelopment, it is going to be HUGE!

2,100 Units of Multi-Family
1,000,000 sq ft of Commercial
9,350,000 sq ft of Office
1,500 Hotel Rooms

This is big enough to practically be it's own submarket.

https://aca3.accela.com/ATLANTA_GA/Cap/C...gencyCode=ATLANTA_GA&IsToShowInspection=

[Street Advocate]

Originally Posted by jwbab

Interesting impact fee estimate request filed for the Gulch today. If this is indicative in any way of the scope of the Gulch redevelopment, it is going to be HUGE!

2,100 Units of Multi-Family
1,000,000 sq ft of Commercial
9,350,000 sq ft of Office
1,500 Hotel Rooms

This is big enough to practically be it's own submarket.

https://aca3.accela.com/ATLANTA_GA/Cap/C...gencyCode=ATLANTA_GA&IsToShowInspection=

Whoahhhhh here's hoping we receive more news on this in the near future.