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Old Posted Oct 10, 2017, 11:23 PM
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Immigration will be ramped up as the last boomers depart this earth.

Have a look at this: http://centuryinitiative.ca
Jesus Christ this website is creepy. The website is pretty much calling for all Canadians to be replaced with immigrants because it will make us "stronger".

10,000 immigrants a year maximum is ideal. There is literally nothing wrong with a declining population.

I also found this little quote from the website interesting

"To get Canada’s population to 100 million by 2100, immigration levels would need to increase steadily but not dramatically. A multi-year plan to increase immigration to 1.3% of population (415,000 – 450,000 entrants per year over the next 5-10 years) is more than adequate. At various times in Canada’s history we have exceeded these levels with no harmful effects."

I'm sure the Native Canadians were just thrilled.
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If those 70 million new immigrants were to be evenly spread out by province and/or region as some kind of communistic top-down growth plan, then it might work. BC would get about 7-10M; adding 2-3M to Vancouver is manageable, and putting the rest in Northern BC, the Interior and the Island could transform places like Prince George and Nanaimo into major urban centres.

The way things are right now, such a policy would have them all flocking to existing cities... meaning 10 million new Vancouverites over the next few decades. We can't handle that.
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Vancouver is ranked as a Beta City, along with Montreal. That's ahead of Seattle, which is ranked as a Beta - city.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_city#Global_Economic_Power_Index
LOL, who comes up with those rankings? Vancouver isn't in the same league as Seattle a city with several worldwide brands to its credit: Boeing, Amazon, Microsoft, Nordstrom. We've got 1-800-Got-Junk.

And the depth of arts and culture in Seattle makes Vancouver look pitiable.
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2017, 12:31 AM
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LOL, who comes up with those rankings? Vancouver isn't in the same league as Seattle a city with several worldwide brands to its credit: Boeing, Amazon, Microsoft, Nordstrom. We've got 1-800-Got-Junk.

And the depth of arts and culture in Seattle makes Vancouver look pitiable.
To be honest, Vancouver is slightly more aesthetically pleasing than Seattle. But I agree, these are just meme lists no better than a Watchmojo video.
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2017, 1:17 AM
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LOL, who comes up with those rankings? Vancouver isn't in the same league as Seattle a city with several worldwide brands to its credit: Boeing, Amazon, Microsoft, Nordstrom. We've got 1-800-Got-Junk.

And the depth of arts and culture in Seattle makes Vancouver look pitiable.
Totally with you on that.
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2017, 1:38 AM
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The average immigrant isn't a problem - they buy homes to live in, not for trading like stocks and/or exiling trust fund brats.
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Redirecting the conversation from multi-millionaire money launderers to supposed "immigrant" hate is a classic tactic to make it about race and xenophobia so you can allow the money laundering to continue.
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There is literally nothing wrong with a declining population.
Completely agree with all of you.

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One thing for certain is that we need to take care of our Canadian citizens first. We need to take care of those that pay the taxes and work the jobs in this city.
I am not (yet) a citizen, but I totally agree. You have all the right to put your well-being ahead of us immigrants. I am just happy having been given the opportunity to build my life in here, which I am doing, paying happily taxes along the way.

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This housing crisis is a huge money laundering operation for China (someone, please make a documentary).
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It is hard to say I have no problem with immigration in general when there's a Chinese elephant in the room.
+1 to everything you guys said.
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Here's a nice little example from this weekend's Globe & Mail. It's why most people here will never be able to afford a house in much of Metro Vancouver:

Before Deborah Scott put her 1927 Kerrisdale house on the market in September, she had heard that accepted offers on houses on the west side were falling through.....She accepted another offer a little less than asking, for $6.288-million, which gave her an option to rent the house for two years. She was looking to rent back because she didn't want to move her kids too many times and they were already handling their parents' divorce. However, the buyer, from Richmond, couldn't get all the mortgage financing required and needed until spring to get the remaining money out of China, she was told. They gave her a $200,000 deposit and agreed to give her another $300,000 in December. To protect herself, she got it in writing that both deposits are non-refundable, to be held in trust by her realtor. If the subjects are not removed by the spring closing date, she will receive $500,000 for her trouble. The risk is, of course, that the market could plummet. But it was the only offer she got that worked for her.

"We got a notice on Friday saying they were having trouble getting their mortgage. They need a mortgage for $3-million, and they couldn't get it – they could only get $1.5-million. So they came back and said we can get our money out of China, but not until March. So now my closing date is March. That's high risk for us, but it offered me a two-year rent back."

To her dismay, the buyers plan on tearing the house down, but that was the case with all the offers, she says. Ms. Scott had purchased the house in 2000 because it is a character house in excellent condition. There are five houses near her that are set to be demolished and she estimates that one-third of the homes on her tree-lined street are empty...


https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/real-es...ellers-take-a-wild-ride/article36518216/

So as long as Canadians sit meekly back and let their governments allow this kind of 🞵🞵🞵🞵 we're all screwed.
I am sure if the buyer went to our chartered banks, they would have had no problem securing financing. In my line of work which deals with FINTRAC, it appears from my experience chartered banks have no problem accepting "Students" and "Homemakers" who report $10,000 in income on their personal income tax return in Canada for a mortgage exceeding a million dollars, almost as if the lender knows they have unreported assets overseas (especially if the lender is the same ethnic background). On the other hand, average Joe reporting $70K in annual income has to prove themselves when obtaining mortgage financing which their income is subject to verification and solvency put under stress tests.

As per news stories online, at least 40% of Richmond residents live under the poverty line. CRA is taking notice of this. A leaked article last year indicated CRA auditors were working on assessing multi million dollar adjustments to income of people with wealthy businesses overseas but are not reporting their world income as is required in Canada. There's complete exploitation of our real estate being used to hide offshore wealth, and tax evasion. Probably been the case since the 90s.

Just the other day I came off an Air Canada jet to take the Canada line. A landed Chinese woman was taking selfies in front of the billboard at YVR that features Vancity condos including Vancouver House. I am not sure what to make of that behavior other than to think she was going to send a picture text message to her friends and family - Vancouver is open for hiding your wealth....let the games begin.

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Turns out the real problem might not be Millenials passing on Vancouver, but older Gen Xers. Basically once you want a family, Vancouver isn't so attractive with its low wages and high housing costs:

... While a lot of fuss has been made about millennials leaving the Lower Mainland, the bigger exodus may be the group that is either nearing middle age or well into it. Generation Xers, or people from 35 to 55, could start bailing at a rate that could turn into a crisis, says Chris Fair, president of Resonance Consultancy, a research and branding firm. Mr. Fair, who also has an office in New York, commissioned Insights West to do a survey. The result was the Future of B.C. Housing report, and he was startled by the response that people with lots of working years ahead of them were planning to leave. Of people between 35 and 55 in Greater Vancouver, 47 per cent agreed that they would be selling their home for a cheaper market in the next five years. For those people, the need for affordable housing and more space was the draw. Kelowna and Victoria are top alternatives...

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/real-es...t-citys-economic-future/article36585479/
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Vancouver's wages are the same as Toronto, someone put up a graphic in another thread, but with (slightly) higher housing costs.
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A declining population is a big problem.

First, Canada, like all of the West has an economy based on consumerism where it once relied on manufacturing until all the jobs were sent to China. Get rid of those new more purchase-prone young consumers and the economy plunges.

Second, Canada, again like all the West, is getting older very quickly. A declining population will accelerate that so you will have precious few workers trying to support a surging elderly population that is growing and living longer.
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Vancouver's wages are the same as Toronto, someone put up a graphic in another thread, but with (slightly) higher housing costs.
Vancouver wages are lower, and Toronto's real estate is much cheaper - especially in the burbs. Not that Toronto is at all relevant to this discussion.

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Turns out the real problem might not be Millenials passing on Vancouver, but older Gen Xers. Basically once you want a family, Vancouver isn't so attractive with its low wages and high housing costs:

... While a lot of fuss has been made about millennials leaving the Lower Mainland, the bigger exodus may be the group that is either nearing middle age or well into it. Generation Xers, or people from 35 to 55, could start bailing at a rate that could turn into a crisis, says Chris Fair, president of Resonance Consultancy, a research and branding firm. Mr. Fair, who also has an office in New York, commissioned Insights West to do a survey. The result was the Future of B.C. Housing report, and he was startled by the response that people with lots of working years ahead of them were planning to leave. Of people between 35 and 55 in Greater Vancouver, 47 per cent agreed that they would be selling their home for a cheaper market in the next five years. For those people, the need for affordable housing and more space was the draw. Kelowna and Victoria are top alternatives...

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/real-es...t-citys-economic-future/article36585479/
I'm one of them. My wife and I are 37, we chose to not have kids, but never really had the option, and now we're leaving the country. My brother and two older cousins aren't having kids either - our entire family tree ends this generation, mostly due to government corruption and/or incompetence.
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The census numbers came out recently. The population is not declining.
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The census numbers came out recently. The population is not declining.
Its growing because Canada brings in over 300k people per year (not including 10 year visa holders, international students and TFW's which continue to increase in numbers). Vancouver loses people but Metro Vancouver alone adds a NET of 20-40k people from outside Canada every year. https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/data/statistics/people-population-community/population/mobility There is a unlimited supply of people that would happily come here from the developing world. Over 3.5 billion people on this planet live on less then $2 a day. The planet grows by over 80 million people every single tear, with most of them being added in the developing world.

My point is of course Vancouver grows with our current policies.

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Vancouver wages are lower, and Toronto's real estate is much cheaper - especially in the burbs. Not that Toronto is at all relevant to this discussion.



I'm one of them. My wife and I are 37, we chose to not have kids, but never really had the option, and now we're leaving the country. My brother and two older cousins aren't having kids either - our entire family tree ends this generation, mostly due to government corruption and/or incompetence.
Not too late to procreate. Very unfortunate if you let your entire family tree die.
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our entire family tree ends this generation, mostly due to government corruption and/or incompetence.
lol way to shift the blame onto others.
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Many will also say their family's first generation starts here, and they can make it mostly due to hard work and perseverance, just like the first generation of Europeans that arrived on these shores and soils.

Gone are the days when the middle class can enjoy bringing up a 2 to 3-children family, at the same time living in a big suburban house with a yard, with parents each having a personal car, and still having plenty of leftover income to live a good life. Well, blame it on the previous generation for wanting it all; working less, demanding more, and always expecting to maintain or even enhance the status quo of their living environment and standard of living, thereby leaving the next generation with little and having to compete with the rest of the world. Raising a family now means living in compact residences, being very frugal, and having one child. Don't think the younger generation who have seen how their parents live and spend can stomach that fact. Also, our society as a whole is also paying too much for those who are not responsible for themselves, without thinking that we cannot actually afford it. People are demanding for social housing, cheap transportation, universal healthcare, etc. all the time but are unwilling to foot the bill, yet expecting the government to roll out these services and consider them as "essential". Well, the world helps to pay for these now, but at a price: the new middle class generation that cannot compete gets to be poor. 🞵🞵🞵🞵 it up.

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Its growing because Canada brings in over 300k people per year (not including 10 year visa holders, international students and TFW's which continue to increase in numbers). Vancouver loses people but Metro Vancouver alone adds a NET of 20-40k people from outside Canada every year. https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/data/statistics/people-population-community/population/mobility There is a unlimited supply of people that would happily come here from the developing world. Over 3.5 billion people on this planet live on less then $2 a day. The planet grows by over 80 million people every single tear, with most of them being added in the developing world.

My point is of course Vancouver grows with our current policies.
If not, how is this country going to pay for its aging population still wanting their healthcare, retirement funds and living the life? How are the subsidized housing going to be funded? When there are no longer younger people working, all welfare safety net might as well be thrown out now. Paupers can't be choosers: bringing in so many foreigners is how this country can maintain its economy and standard of living. Let's be honest here.
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If not, how is this country going to pay for its aging population still wanting their healthcare, retirement funds and living the life? How are the subsidized housing going to be funded? When there are no longer younger people working, all welfare safety net might as well be thrown out now. Paupers can't be choosers: bringing in so many foreigners is how this country can maintain its economy and standard of living. Let's be honest here.
So...bring in more people to a country that will see a significant reduction in jobs over the next 20 years as more jobs are lost to automation? That is a mighty stupid plan. Retail and finance will take huge hits over the next 5 years. Not even that, you create EVEN more demand for housing in cities, as many refugees and immigrants have settled in their Toronto or Vancouver.

We have already seen all three levels of government undermined it’s own citizens by allowing TFW’s to legally enter the country under the guise of a work-study visa. You have affluent kids vying for minimum wage jobs in the hopes they can gain PR and move here. These same individuals can run at a loss and do not necessarily mind renting out a 1bdrm unit for over 2k. This explains why the rental market became absolutely flooded with demand over the past 3 years.

Then you have the elite pricing Vancouverites out of the real estate market with dirty sources of money which has been immensely covered in this forum.

The end result is you see stagnation and drop in wages- and more locals and newcomers relying off social assistance as the labour market sees increased demand.
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Many will also say their family's first generation starts here, and they can make it mostly due to hard work and perseverance, just like the first generation of Europeans that arrived on these shores and soils.

Gone are the days when the middle class can enjoy bringing up a 2 to 3-children family, at the same time living in a big suburban house with a yard, with parents each having a personal car, and still having plenty of leftover income to live a good life. Well, blame it on the previous generation for wanting it all; working less, demanding more, and always expecting to maintain or even enhance the status quo of their living environment and standard of living, thereby leaving the next generation with little and having to compete with the rest of the world. Raising a family now means living in compact residences, being very frugal, and having one child. Don't think the younger generation who have seen how their parents live and spend can stomach that fact. Also, our society as a whole is also paying too much for those who are not responsible for themselves, without thinking that we cannot actually afford it. People are demanding for social housing, cheap transportation, universal healthcare, etc. all the time but are unwilling to foot the bill, yet expecting the government to roll out these services and consider them as "essential". Well, the world helps to pay for these now, but at a price: the new middle-class generation that cannot compete gets to be poor. 🞵🞵🞵🞵 it up.
The only way I could, in my simplistic mind, imagine getting around all this is to have VERY high taxes for middle, upper-middle, and wealthy families, such as in Scandinavia.
In Sweden, very wealthy people are not eligible for national health-care programs, as they are considered rich enough to pay for private coverage
(as does Brigitte Bardot, voluntarily, here in France) I doubt however that Canadians would ever accept tax levels as high as in Scandinavia.
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If not, how is this country going to pay for its aging population still wanting their healthcare, retirement funds and living the life? How are the subsidized housing going to be funded? When there are no longer younger people working, all welfare safety net might as well be thrown out now. Paupers can't be choosers: bringing in so many foreigners is how this country can maintain its economy and standard of living. Let's be honest here.
The government could at least do a half assed attempt of promoting domestic growth versus the daily bombardment of "diversity is our strength".

They could say "pizza is our strength" and the people would fight to till death for pizza rights...

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lol way to shift the blame onto others.
I'm not shifting blame, I've made decisions based on the circumstances and only post these things to let people know that BC/Canada's ineptitude has a real effect on real people.
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