Who are you choosing for mayor this election?

[RWin]

Originally Posted by SteveP

I normally wouldn't answer this as it's none of your business, but I might as well. I don't like arrogant people, and I'm not voting for one. If you don't like that answer too bad.

So you're not voting in this election then?

[Tarsus]

Originally Posted by SteveP

And that's important because?

I'm also willing to bet that 70% of the people voting for Nenshi will be voting Liberal next election. I'm also willing to be that 90% of the local Muslim population will be voting for Nenshi, and their reason for justifying their vote is "He's Muslim".

I'm Muslim and will be voting for him, but not because he's Muslim, he happens to be my choice. Conversely, I know other Muslims who aren't voting for him because he's Ismaili rather than Sunni. There's partisan voting in every direction these days.

[patm]

Originally Posted by SteveP

Maybe stop telling people who to vote for. I was on the fence about who to vote for until reading this thread the last few days, you've made me decide 100%.

I'm telling you that your reasoning is flawed.

If you give us a stupid reason for your vote, expect to get jumped on.

Frankly, people who vote on party and not agenda are everything that is wrong with democracy and should be chastised for their actions.

You're simply voting to piss off the other side. Do you not see what's wrong with that? Whatever man, you do you. Show all those liberal mouthpieces how dumb they are by potentially voting in an incompetent leader into office just to spite them. It's working out great down south.

[Stephen Ave]

Originally Posted by Tarsus

I'm Muslim and will be voting for him, but not because he's Muslim, he happens to be my choice. Conversely, I know other Muslims who aren't voting for him because he's Ismaili rather than Sunni. There's partisan voting in every direction these days.

Why would other Muslims care that he's Ismaili, Ismaili's are Muslims also.

[SteveP]

A few posts back I said I'm not voting for Nenshi because I don't like him, and his attitude. . Do I care about the some of the things he's supporting like cycle tracks, no. I think it's a waste of money. Did I like the way he was caught on camera badmouthing Uber, no? Again that could be a reason too. Do I agree with him on the arena stuff, yes, but I don't like the way he approached the negotiations.

There are some reasons. If you still aren't happy you can kindly piss up a rope.

Originally Posted by patm

I'm telling you that your reasoning is flawed.

If you give us a stupid reason for your vote, expect to get jumped on.

Frankly, people who vote on party and not agenda are everything that is wrong with democracy and should be chastised for their actions.

You're simply voting to piss off the other side. Do you not see what's wrong with that? Whatever man, you do you. Show all those liberal mouthpieces how dumb they are by potentially voting in an incompetent leader into office just to spite them. It's working out great down south.

[CrossedTheTracks]

Originally Posted by Stephen Ave

Why would other Muslims care that he's Ismaili, Ismaili's are Muslims also.

For the analogous reason that Protestants and Catholics haven't always gotten along together, regardless of them all being Christians....

Islam, like most (all?) faiths, has many internal divisions. Some people have trouble working with those in other divisions.

[dg66]

Democracy works so well when asshats like you are telling other people how to vote.

Originally Posted by patm

I'm telling you that your reasoning is flawed.

If you give us a stupid reason for your vote, expect to get jumped on.

Frankly, people who vote on party and not agenda are everything that is wrong with democracy and should be chastised for their actions.

[CrossedTheTracks]

Originally Posted by SteveP

Did I like the way he was caught on camera badmouthing Uber, no? Again that could be a reason too.

Ah, the Uber incident. While Nenshi's conduct there didn't impress me, one could argue that Nenshi's opinions have been vindicated by how the Uber ex-CEO was run out of the company....

[topdog]

Originally Posted by dg66

Democracy works so well when asshats like you are telling other people how to vote.

I don't see any issues with debating the reasons for people voting. That said, I also think those supporting Nenshi have to accept the fact that it is a democracy and people can vote who they wish.

Originally Posted by patm

I'm telling you that your reasoning is flawed.
If you give us a stupid reason for your vote, expect to get jumped on.
Frankly, people who vote on party and not agenda are everything that is wrong with democracy and should be chastised for their actions.
You're simply voting to piss off the other side. Do you not see what's wrong with that? Whatever man, you do you. Show all those liberal mouthpieces how dumb they are by potentially voting in an incompetent leader into office just to spite them. It's working out great down south.

Calling people's reasons for voting stupid isn't helping, it's also stupid. Disagree and give your reasons for voting.

[topdog]

Originally Posted by CrossedTheTracks

For the analogous reason that Protestants and Catholics haven't always gotten along together, regardless of them all being Christians....

Islam, like most (all?) faiths, has many internal divisions. Some people have trouble working with those in other divisions.

Very good analogy. I've heard people compare the Ismaili's to the Mormons. Part of their given religions, but not part of the mainstream. Both religions have a central mortal figure aside from god (the Aga Khan, and Joseph Smith) who the main streamers do not acknowledge.

I've had it explained to me by some Muslim coworkers that Ismailis count themselves as Muslims but the other Muslims don't recognise them as such. They said Ismailis are allowed to pray at their mosque, but they would never pray at the Ismaili temple. I don't know how hardcore these guys were, but they seemed to have a real dislike for the Ismaili's, so yeah much like Catholics and Protestants lol.

[Tobyoby]

[patm]

Originally Posted by topdog

I don't see any issues with debating the reasons for people voting. That said, I also think those supporting Nenshi have to accept the fact that it is a democracy and people can vote who they wish.


Calling people's reasons for voting stupid isn't helping, it's also stupid. Disagree and give your reasons for voting.

I did.

I clearly said that voting based on partisan bs is a terrible reason for voting. Same with voting based on how you think someone acts when actually have never had a conversation with the person. I don't think there's anything wrong with saying that using either of those as the basis for your vote is dumb. You're free to do so, just like I'm free to say that it's dumb.

I base my vote on which candidates agenda most lines up with what I'd like to see. Educated and well spoken, Fiscally conservative but realistic when it comes to using tax to fund programs, Socially progressive, Desire to bring in business but not bend over to their will and when it comes to municipal politics, it helps if they value art and culture cause I want to live in a place that is enjoyable to be in.

Pretty straight forward.

[McMurph]

This has got to be the ugliest election in the modern history of Calgary. The creation of explicit slates in the school board elections, the intrusion of party politics to create other less honest slates in the council elections, the personal politics / hate-driven air to the mayoralty race, the NIMBYism in the SW BRT nonsense, the possibility that big money and the Flames may be trying to buy a mayor... it's all truly gross and potentially game-changing for civic politics.

I'm worried for Calgary. I feel sorry for Chabot -- I think he's the biggest loser in the gong show this has become. I don't know what to think about Smith. He might be an OK guy, but I sure as hell don't believe he has the knowledge or skills needed to be mayor. I can't help but think that Manning, Kenney, King and few other assholes that have no place in city politics are giggling in a back room somewhere right now. Forget the latte-swilling elites, this reeks of cigar-chomping, scotch-drinking, power-hungry pricks.

And in full declaration of my own interests, I drink scotch, am a bit of a coffee snob, enjoy the occasional cigar, and voted for Nenshi even though I agree he can be a pompous twit.

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by patm

I did.

I clearly said that voting based on partisan bs is a terrible reason for voting. Same with voting based on how you think someone acts when actually have never had a conversation with the person. I don't think there's anything wrong with saying that using either of those as the basis for your vote is dumb. You're free to do so, just like I'm free to say that it's dumb.

I base my vote on which candidates agenda most lines up with what I'd like to see. Educated and well spoken, Fiscally conservative but realistic when it comes to using tax to fund programs, Socially progressive, Desire to bring in business but not bend over to their will and when it comes to municipal politics, it helps if they value art and culture cause I want to live in a place that is enjoyable to be in.

Pretty straight forward.

Pretty straight forward to you but I bet to most people your logic leaves a lot to be desired. What does having a conversation with someone have to do with knowing how they behave in general? People who are not voting for Nenshi are doing so based on seven years of well-documented evidence of how he has performed/not performed as mayor. Most people voting for Smith are actually voting against Nenshi. They're willing to risk not knowing what he'll do and his PC party background because they feel that if Nenshi couldn't deliver in seven years he won't be able to in 11. You might not like their reasoning but I bet you did the exact same thing in the 2015 federal election.

[Corndogger]

"New online poll shows Nenshi leading Smith by 17 points with just days before election"

http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/n...17-points-with-just-days-before-election

This poll was done by Forum Research for the Canadian Municipal Election Study. This is so strange.

[CrossedTheTracks]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

"New online poll shows Nenshi leading Smith by 17 points with just days before election"

http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/n...17-points-with-just-days-before-election

This poll was done by Forum Research for the Canadian Municipal Election Study. This is so strange.

What an... unusual... methodology:

• Telephone selection followed by online poll?
• Over a 14-day period?
• Where the lead researcher for the poll comments on his own poll, saying "he thinks the methodology is sound"? (Excellent investigative journalism, Calgary Herald, bravo!)
• Where the full list of questions isn't released?

I'm emphatically not going to claim that the results are wrong or rigged, but that's a large number of things making me go "hmm....".

[suburbia]

Regarding the polls, I had highlighted quite early on that there are major issues with Mainstreet, including the fact that they are being paid by Sean Chu and others from the developer slate, while also being paid by media as third party polling. Those involved with elections know that this is a no-no conflict of interest. Further, I had reported issues with Mainstreet's specific questions right from the on-set, including that they went back three times before the numbers were what Post-Media wanted - and that was reported as the first poll. We also know that Mainstreet was suspended from the Marketing Research and Intelligence Association of Canada.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLkxLimVoAAs8jh.jpg

The other two polls by different agencies were quite consistent, including specific demographic information. The latest poll was actually conducted by academics from universities, and according to third party political scientists, was seen to be the most accurate and clean methodologically.

All being said, my fave from the last couple days has been Andre Chabot saying that if he had to pick between Nenshi and Smith, he'd pick Nenshi. He added that it was insulting that someone with zero experience like Smith was even running.

[Habanero]

Nothing so accurate as an actual election. I don't trust data from any of the pollsters, including the most recent one.

The latest poll was actually conducted by academics from universities

Because there's not likely to be any bias in their methodology either Yeah, not something that instills any more confidence than the other polls.

I'm betting the end result is Nenshi winning, but not by a lot.

Agree about Chabot. He should be the front runner competitor instead of Smith. The conservative backers blew it on this election...had they had gone with Chabot, the election would be a foregone conclusion and Chabot would have won. There are so many people that don't like Nenshi, but don't like Smith for his platform and experience. Almost everyone I know has been having a tough time with deciding. Someone you don't like, but has better experience, or go with the person who can unseat the person you don't like. Not to mention the vote splitting. Backing Chabot would have made it a two man race,and that wouldn't favor Nenshi.

Originally Posted by suburbia

Regarding the polls, I had highlighted quite early on that there are major issues with Mainstreet, including the fact that they are being paid by Sean Chu and others from the developer slate, while also being paid by media as third party polling. Those involved with elections know that this is a no-no conflict of interest. Further, I had reported issues with Mainstreet's specific questions right from the on-set, including that they went back three times before the numbers were what Post-Media wanted - and that was reported as the first poll. We also know that Mainstreet was suspended from the Marketing Research and Intelligence Association of Canada.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLkxLimVoAAs8jh.jpg

The other two polls by different agencies were quite consistent, including specific demographic information. The latest poll was actually conducted by academics from universities, and according to third party political scientists, was seen to be the most accurate and clean methodologically.

All being said, my fave from the last couple days has been Andre Chabot saying that if he had to pick between Nenshi and Smith, he'd pick Nenshi. He added that it was insulting that someone with zero experience like Smith was even running.

[jawagord]

Originally Posted by suburbia

Regarding the polls, I had highlighted quite early on that there are major issues with Mainstreet, including the fact that they are being paid by Sean Chu and others from the developer slate, while also being paid by media as third party polling. Those involved with elections know that this is a no-no conflict of interest. Further, I had reported issues with Mainstreet's specific questions right from the on-set, including that they went back three times before the numbers were what Post-Media wanted - and that was reported as the first poll. We also know that Mainstreet was suspended from the Marketing Research and Intelligence Association of Canada.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLkxLimVoAAs8jh.jpg

The other two polls by different agencies were quite consistent, including specific demographic information. The latest poll was actually conducted by academics from universities, and according to third party political scientists, was seen to be the most accurate and clean methodologically.

All being said, my fave from the last couple days has been Andre Chabot saying that if he had to pick between Nenshi and Smith, he'd pick Nenshi. He added that it was insulting that someone with zero experience like Smith was even running.

So it would have been insulting in 2010 when Nenshi and Higgins ran with no experience? Suburbia you used to post things worth reading, this election has turned you into an innuendo spreading Nenshi shill.

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by jawagord

So it would have been insulting in 2010 when Nenshi and Higgins ran with no experience? Suburbia you used to post things worth reading, this election has turned you into an innuendo spreading Nenshi shill.

It was a statement from Chabot. I think he was insulted as a Calgarian.

Further, I think the experience context mentioned was experience relevant to municipal governance. Nenshi had actually held elected office, had relevant education, worked in not-for-profit, and was already seen as an expert on dynamic cities and government. Heck, he had a Masters from Harvard's Kennedy School of Government.