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Old Posted Oct 4, 2017, 2:05 AM
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Vancouver in 20 years is going to be a strange place. Every high street filled with versions of the same dated 2000-2010s architecture. Also, that building does not fit with a retail street like Granville. It looks 100% residential, although I'm sure it's not...
     
     
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Vancouver in 20 years is going to be a strange place. Every high street filled with versions of the same dated 2000-2010s architecture. Also, that building does not fit with a retail street like Granville. It looks 100% residential, although I'm sure it's not...
And given the amount of empty storefronts on South Granville now, I'm not sure who's going to be able to afford those new CRUs. There's already a Starbucks across the street and a Shoppers and Timmy Ho's a couple blocks away
     
     
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Vancouver in 20 years is going to be a strange place. Every high street filled with versions of the same dated 2000-2010s architecture. Also, that building does not fit with a retail street like Granville. It looks 100% residential, although I'm sure it's not...
it really does look like a townhouse base...
     
     
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it really does look like a townhouse base...
Guess that's good for just some art galleries and salons...

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2301 Granville St.
@ 7th Ave.
Exciting to see that corner finally going forward (the store there has been going out of business forever). I like the treatment of the street corner. Given the proximity to a future Skytrain it should be more dense, but still not as big of a waste of potential as 510 W Broadway. Thanks for posting!
     
     
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Exciting to see that corner finally going forward (the store there has been going out of business forever). I like the treatment of the street corner.
A corner on a commercial high street is precisely where a building should be architecturally proudest and most commercially robust. This project, by contrast, seemingly depicts a timid, 100% residential-looking recession, which, if the case, will undermine the continuity of the commercial street wall.

Either way, this is another complete waste of vital density under current city policy.
     
     
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its not even a good rendering...the perspective is off
     
     
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A corner on a commercial high street is precisely where a building should be architecturally proudest and most commercially robust. This project, by contrast, seemingly depicts a timid, 100% residential-looking recession, which, if the case, will undermine the continuity of the commercial street wall.

Either way, this is another complete waste of vital density under current city policy.

I can see what you're saying. My thoughts were that it responds to 7th Ave Bikeway by adding a bit more space at the intersection. We definitively agree with regards to the waste of density.
     
     
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it really does look like a townhouse base...
Ian Tan Gallery has a sign up they're relocating across the street.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 7, 2017, 4:47 AM
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Open House - 3560 Hull Street and 2070, 2088, and 2090 East 20 Avenue















This reasonable project at Hull and East 20th had it's open house on October 3rd. Unfortunately, some of those in attendance weren't so reasonable.
It should surprise no one that I support development of all types (residential, office, industrial, etc). As a member of the public, I try to inform others of the benefits of growing our city, but I also try to learn from dissenting views. Unfortunately, sometimes I get screamed at and/or insulted, and this was one of those nights.

Towards the end of the event, an older gentleman started raising his voice to a member of the applicant team about how the project was all wrong for the neighbourhood. I interjected that the density was right for an area roughly twenty minutes outside of the core, he disagreed.

The conversation essentially descended along these lines:
OG - Doesn't match the surroundings; FF - but it's only 3 story row homes?
OG - It won't be affordable; FF - The current properties were assessed at roughly $12 mil, more rental units drive down price by increasing supply
OG - It will bring too much traffic; FF- Its so close to Skytrain, I really doubt the impact will be that great.
OG - (At this point the man was literally pacing and yelling) So you think to hell with green space!!; FF - I think that parks should be available for people of all income levels, green space is not a $4 mil private backyard.

At this point the man went ballistic; he was literally in my face. He was now screaming at me that the City shouldn't be ruining the neighbourhood by adding people, rather it's priority should be to preserve the neighbourhood as single family homes. Now when I attempted to speak, he would only scream louder. At this point, I gave up speaking with the man as it was no longer possible. When I walked away he turned his attention to the applicants, screaming at them for a while before eventually leaving. Interestingly enough, at the end of the event a neighbour of the site came up, shook my hand, and thanked me; go figure.

Getting back to the project and away from my therapeutic recalling of events. This version of the project has relocated it's parking entrance away from the east side of the property. This preserves both the tree line and the cul-de-sac as a place for children to play.

It's important to note is that the new driveway is lined up so that the lights from cars will not shine onto any of the houses across the road (the model unfortunatly does not display this). The unit count and FSR is almost identical to the pre-app however apparently an version before the pre-app had the apartment building height at 6 stories. Lastly the plan that this building comes under is one of only 2 allowed in the the Grandview Woodlands Plan, the other having been built along Commercial Dr. It seems a great shame as this really is a makes sense project for the area.

Link to the pre-app info
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=7762931&postcount=6062

Link to the rezoning application and comment form
http://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/3560hullst/index.htm
     
     
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Maybe "Old Guy" was one of the original residents who protested against densification when the Expo Line was built.

See my post here:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=5011444&highlight=nanaimo+station#post5011444

You can see that the site is just within the west boundary of the 1987 Nanaimo/29th Ave. Station Area Plan.
http://former.vancouver.ca/commsvcs/guidelines/N003.pdf
     
     
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In the WTF!?!? category.

Here's a post from Perkins Will twitter.

i.e We're proud we ripped out all the big shrubs - now we'll plant a small minimalist garden with lots of exposed dirt.
Or maybe they couldn't tell the difference between a weed and a shrub?


Perkins+Will VAN‏ @perkinswill_VAN · Oct 5
Over the weekend, a group of us volunteered to clear out the garden @VCHhealthcare's GF Strong Rehabilitation Centre. Check out our results!
https://twitter.com/perkinswill_VAN
     
     
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In the WTF!?!? category.

Here's a post from Perkins Will twitter.

i.e We're proud we ripped out all the big shrubs - now we'll plant a small minimalist garden with lots of exposed dirt.
Or maybe they couldn't tell the difference between a weed and a shrub?
I would give them the benefit of the doubt "to clear out the garden @VCHhealthcare's GF Strong Rehabilitation Centre". I guess they or someone else will come back and make it look nice.

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Old Posted Oct 7, 2017, 7:16 AM
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This reasonable project at Hull and East 20th had it's open house on October 3rd. Unfortunately, some of those in attendance weren't so reasonable.
It should surprise no one that I support development of all types (residential, office, industrial, etc). As a member of the public, I try to inform others of the benefits of growing our city, but I also try to learn from dissenting views. Unfortunately, sometimes I get screamed at and/or insulted, and this was one of those nights.
the solution to this is at the provincial level. provincial government should kill these public consultations, remove all height/density limits from anything within 1km of a transit line, streamline the process with as-of-right, outlaw minimum parking requirements, outlaw minimum unit sizes, no more design reviews with this council of elders that basically want to see their own past work reflected in new building even though most vancouver architecture is an international joke, etc. would take a month in the provincial leg to pass that, and it would be the best thing the NDP could do for affordability, aside from wholesale removal of zoning.
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the solution to this is at the provincial level. provincial government should kill these public consultations, remove all height/density limits from anything within 1km of a transit line, streamline the process with as-of-right, outlaw minimum parking requirements, outlaw minimum unit sizes, no more design reviews with this council of elders that basically want to see their own past work reflected in new building even though most vancouver architecture is an international joke, etc. would take a month in the provincial leg to pass that, and it would be the best thing the NDP could do for affordability, aside from wholesale removal of zoning.
Hey. Fair enough. Little old Vancouver has high enough esteem that we are a world class joke?! Which cities are laughing at us?
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 7, 2017, 7:15 PM
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^ read any architectural forum or magazine and the overwhelming consensus is that vancouver's architecture is boring and mediocre. this is literally by design, as the design review system and zoning zap anything that strays too far from the existing typology. redesigns are costly, so any but the highest end project is designed to pass design review. the damage has seeped so deeply into the psychology and the skyline itself, that even if design review were killed today, it would still take 40 years for vancouver's skyline to recover.

but on the whole, design review and generic architectural form are minor problems. the policy-enforced artificial land shortage that forces developers to build expensive towers in a very small number of areas in the city, that's the big one. it's very discouraging when horgan says that government policy should protect home prices. disentangling canadians from this whole system will be a long process, changes have to happen gradually. but instead of taxes and discouraging growth, or throwing money away on social housing at ~$300k per unit, they should look to the supply side to kickstart the deflation.
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1426 Laurier - Heritage B - October 7th

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My photos - September 16th 2017


So this is clearly not a skyscraper, low-rise or even a townhouse. That said, bare with me, as I felt this is rather impressive given the size of the home.












Not much of a change, but I thought it was worth uploading for the shots from the laneway.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 12, 2017, 2:54 AM
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Went by the Open house for 399 E 1st ave this afternoon. A solid addition to the area. Impressed by the 30K sqft floorplates.

http://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/339e1st/documents/ApplicantOHBoards.pdf
     
     
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339 E 1st Avenue - Model













A little bit of info. The team feels that, despite the UDP's harsh rejection of the green walls on 400 W Georgia, their green wall is in a far better position to get through. The cladding materials are going to be a high density concrete. Apparently under the new False Creek Flats Plan this project would have been allowed even more height. However, like 510 W Broadway, the owner didn't want to wait and pushed ahead with this application instead. The project goes before the UDP next week.

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Went by the Open house for 399 E 1st ave this afternoon. A solid addition to the area. Impressed by the 30K sqft floorplates.

http://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/339e1st/documents/ApplicantOHBoards.pdf
You didn't happen to notice the man-sized duck walking around there from about 4:30 - 6, did you?
     
     
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Nope did not see any such creature. Just a bunch of people from the applicant team and city staff members, seemed like a small turnout from the public, heck there was still tidbits and coffee left when I left around 6:30
     
     
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