The Great Canadian Transit Thread - Page 496

TorontoDrew · #**9901** Posted **Oct 3, 2017, 1:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by Doady

The Eglinton corridor in Toronto should be more like King George Blvd in Surrey? Seriously?

Maybe that's an ideal streetscape to you, but maybe you can forgive people of Toronto if they have other ideas. As someone in Mississauga, I will be fine with Hurontario LRT also.

I agree, King George Blvd is much more of a suburban layout where the crosstown will help bolster Eglingtons urban vibe.

niwell · #**9902** Posted **Oct 3, 2017, 2:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

The problem in Toronto is that the city is so starved for rail transit that the citizens will take anything.

Why is it that Toronto still only has 2 subway lines? Montreal has 4, Vancouver has 3.

Why would you count the yellow line in Montreal but not Line 4 in Toronto? Number of lines is a pretty meaningless metric anyways. In many cities the two branches of Line 1 (Yonge and University/Spadina) would be counted as two separate lines.

WhipperSnapper · #**9903** Posted **Oct 3, 2017, 2:14 PM**

^True. That would mean Calgary has 4. We all then bow to them.

speedog · #**9904** Posted **Oct 3, 2017, 4:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

^True. That would mean Calgary has 4. We all then bow to them.

Nice, no one from Calgary has even participated in this most recent discussion and pot shots are still taken. To be expected I guess.

Acajack · #**9905** Posted **Oct 3, 2017, 4:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by speedog

Nice, no one from Calgary has even participated in this most recent discussion and pot shots are still taken. To be expected I guess.

I honestly don't think that was a dig.

Mister F · #**9906** Posted **Oct 3, 2017, 4:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by Doady

The Eglinton corridor in Toronto should be more like King George Blvd in Surrey? Seriously?

Maybe that's an ideal streetscape to you, but maybe you can forgive people of Toronto if they have other ideas. As someone in Mississauga, I will be fine with Hurontario LRT also.

Guess what, the suburban parts of Eglinton already do look like that. Again, I'm not talking about the central, urban portion where the tunnel is under construction. I'm talking about suburban areas like the Golden Mile. The impact of an elevated line in areas like that would be, at worst, negligible.

People who think I'm proposing an elevated line right through the urban heart of Eglinton need to work on their reading comprehension.

J.OT13 · #**9907** Posted **Oct 3, 2017, 9:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by LilZebra

I'm not aware how far Ottawa is on its subway/metro/LRT plans.

The first phase of Confederation (13 stations on 12.5 km) is set to open in sometime in late 2018. Construction of stage 2 (23 stations on 29 kilometers) will begin in 2019. The extended diesel Trillium will open in 2021, the east segment to Orleans is set to open in 2022 and finally the west section, with a few underground sections, will open in 2023.

SkahHigh · #**9908** Posted **Oct 3, 2017, 9:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by J.OT13

The first phase of Confederation (13 stations on 12.5 km) is set to open in sometime in late 2018. Construction of stage 2 (23 stations on 29 kilometers) will begin in 2019. The extended diesel Trillium will open in 2021, the east segment to Orleans is set to open in 2022 and finally the west section, with a few underground sections, will open in 2023.

Why don't they electrify Trillium? Since OC Transpo owns all the trackage.

lrt's friend · #**9909** Posted **Oct 3, 2017, 9:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by SkahHigh

Why don't they electrify Trillium? Since OC Transpo owns all the trackage.

That ship sailed in 2006. Really, the Confederation Line is going to be extremely long (eventually 50 or 60km) and is bleeding the City of Ottawa dry. There is no money to build a second line properly. And the bigger issue concerning the Trillium Line is the lack of double tracking.

FFX-ME · #**9910** Posted **Oct 3, 2017, 9:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by SkahHigh

Why don't they electrify Trillium? Since OC Transpo owns all the trackage.

The short answer is that they are lazy but the proper path forward would be twinning and then electrification. The twinning would be the most expensive part since a tunnel would need to be widened and the trench that the trains run through isn't wide enough.

A lot of money is being poured in the east-west line, so there is nothing left for the trillium line.

FFX-ME · #**9911** Posted **Oct 3, 2017, 9:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by lrt's friend

That ship sailed in 2006. Really, the Confederation Line is going to be extremely long and is bleeding the City of Ottawa dry. There is no money to build a second line properly. And the bigger issue concerning the Trillium Line is the lack of double tracking.

lol! I guess we replied the same thing at the same time.

J.OT13 · #**9912** Posted **Oct 3, 2017, 9:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by SkahHigh

Why don't they electrify Trillium? Since OC Transpo owns all the trackage.

Because they would also have to double track it. Considering the 2006 N/S plan, double track electric lrt classic, was around 1 billion (downtown surface segment included) and the current diesel extension is estimated to be around 700 million, it would likely cost close to 2 billion for a proper double track, electrified rail to the south suburbs and the airport.

What the city council is trying to do is buy votes by extending rail as far as possible, and they can do that with diesel trains on existing rail lines.

I think they should have completely dropped the Trillium extension and put the money towards extending the Confederation to Kanata. Do it right and rebuild the Trillium double track electric when the money is available in 10, 20 years.

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SteelTown · #**9914** Posted **Oct 3, 2017, 10:12 PM**

I'm glad we got the new GO Station in Hamilton but I'm afraid it's just a white elephant without better GO Train service.

The station, millions spent, is a ghost town most of the time, virtually full of parking spaces and I don't understand why they even built the north end platform when it's a dead end (I know in a few years they intend to have stations in Stoney Creek and eventually Niagara region but seems like an excessive waste of money).

gunnar777 · #**9915** Posted **Oct 3, 2017, 10:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

What city isn't starved for stations within walking distance? Canada is full of modern, hybrid commuter based lines with station distances suited for feeder buses or park and ride.

I understand they are slow and unreliable but, you can't simply ignore the streetcar network when talking about Toronto's subway system. The choice was made to keep them long ago. If not, some sort of rapid rail system would surely have been built in the streetcar system coverage area. Coverage would still suck in the suburban areas of the northern 416 but, not much different elsewhere. (Vancouver may be the exception)

Chicago, Singapore, Barcelona, Berlin, London, Sydney, Paris, New York, Berlin, Tokyo, Melbourne, Stockholm, Mexico City, Tehran, Madrid, every city in China these days, the list goes on.

And while I love the streetcar system in Toronto, (and also wish the lines would continue travelling north past Line 2 to the Eglinton Crosstown) try telling someone who regularly takes the 501 from Queen West to the Beaches to consider the streetcar network as part of the subway network.

WhipperSnapper · #**9916** Posted **Oct 4, 2017, 12:58 AM**

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Originally Posted by gunnar777

Chicago, Singapore, Barcelona, Berlin, London, Sydney, Paris, New York, Berlin, Tokyo, Melbourne, Stockholm, Mexico City, Tehran, Madrid, every city in China these days, the list goes on.

And while I love the streetcar system in Toronto, (and also wish the lines would continue travelling north past Line 2 to the Eglinton Crosstown) try telling someone who regularly takes the 501 from Queen West to the Beaches to consider the streetcar network as part of the subway network.

I thought it obvious. I meant in Canada.

P.S. some of those cities aren't any better than Toronto.

WhipperSnapper · #**9917** Posted **Oct 4, 2017, 1:01 AM**

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Originally Posted by speedog

Nice, no one from Calgary has even participated in this most recent discussion and pot shots are still taken. To be expected I guess.

LOL. Maybe you should spend more time on reading comprehension instead of making predetermined opinions based from a person's location bar.

swimmer_spe · #**9918** Posted **Oct 4, 2017, 1:15 AM**

Sorry for the mistake. I forgot about Sheppard. I don't count the SRT as they plan to make it part of Bloor.

If I am to count Eglinton, then I should also count St Clair, Spadina, and the ones that runs along the harbourfront

gunnar777 · #**9919** Posted **Oct 4, 2017, 2:05 AM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

I thought it obvious. I meant in Canada.

P.S. some of those cities aren't any better than Toronto.

Nah, it wasn't obvious.

p.s. The cities I listed have better catchment for their metros than Toronto. You're just giving your opinion. As usual.

caltrane74 · #**9920** Posted **Oct 4, 2017, 2:16 AM**

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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Sorry for the mistake. I forgot about Sheppard. I don't count the SRT as they plan to make it part of Bloor.

If I am to count Eglinton, then I should also count St Clair, Spadina, and the ones that runs along the harbourfront

Yes, but 11 km of Eglinton runs underground. Not fair, to compare. This is an underground line built in some of the most densely populated parts of the city outside the main core and Yorkville.