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Old Posted Sep 22, 2017, 1:04 PM
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Yours is a much better angle than mine! The building itself is looking better every day and will be a nice addition to the neighborhood. I do wish they had prepped the whole foods to potentially manage a second tower at a later date, but as stated previously by another, the aluminum siding all but removed those hopes.

As for the mural... it will at least be a stiff contrast from the stiff corporate feel of the street.
Can you imagine the amount of parking they would need for another 400+ apartments on top of what is already built for the existing apartments and 70K sqft Whole Foods? Personally I am not a fan of cities where high-rises/skyscrapers are packed together and it prevents sunlight at the street level.
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Personally I am not a fan of cities where high-rises/skyscrapers are packed together and it prevents sunlight at the street level.
You prefer something more like this?

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Can you imagine the amount of parking they would need for another 400+ apartments on top of what is already built for the existing apartments and 70K sqft Whole Foods? Personally I am not a fan of cities where high-rises/skyscrapers are packed together and it prevents sunlight at the street level.
for as much parking as they're already including, I wouldn't mind more parking under/over Whole Foods for at least a mid-rise building on top of Whole Foods (similar to Alta Midtown) and maybe smaller tower along Spring or 13th streets.
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Old Posted Sep 22, 2017, 1:34 PM
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Can you imagine the amount of parking they would need for another 400+ apartments on top of what is already built for the existing apartments and 70K sqft Whole Foods? Personally I am not a fan of cities where high-rises/skyscrapers are packed together and it prevents sunlight at the street level.
Umm-- like every city in the world?
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Old Posted Sep 22, 2017, 2:30 PM
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Summerhill, Midtown projects win tax breaks from Invest Atlanta
http://www.ajc.com/news/local/summerhill...m-invest-atlanta/WtyzPLoThgrDMPAqU8WdSK/

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The board of Atlanta’s economic development agency approved more than $17 million in tax incentives for several developers on Thursday, but tax breaks for a pair of projects at the former Turner Field caused a clash among board members, with one saying the agency needs to re-think its public investment strategy.

The board of Invest Atlanta narrowly approved a nearly $2.6 million tax break for a 680-bed, $69 million student housing project called Aspen Atlanta. It will rise in a parking lot on Ralph David Abernathy Boulevard, across from what is now called Georgia State Stadium.

The board also approved a separate, nearly $2 million tax incentive for a $50 million project nearby that will include a small office building, retail, restaurants and 129 apartments along Georgia Avenue.

The votes spurred a broader conversation among board members after the meeting about whether the city is seeing enough bang for the taxpayers’ bucks.

Board member Julian Bene said the city is seeing impressive job growth and development, fueled in part by the city’s tax incentives. But overall, the property tax digest has largely stagnated since 2010, and he suggested the city might be giving away too much.

“That is not the kind of thing we should be seeing with the economic growth we’ve had,” Bene said. “We need to grapple with this.”

Bene, often a lone critical voice on the Invest Atlanta board, said just starting development at the former home of the Atlanta Braves isn’t a good enough public benefit. The combined abatements only reserve at total of 18 units in the 129-unit apartment project as affordable for residents making 80 percent of the area median income. In that light, the tax breaks for the two projects come to about $277,000 per affordable unit over 10 years.

“The public benefit I’m hearing is new development in areas south of I-20,” Bene said. “I don’t think that is enough on its own.”

Others on the board disagreed, saying denying the tax breaks put the project at risk.

A recent investigation by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution found that the city of Atlanta and county governments in Fulton, Cobb, Gwinnett and DeKalb doled out $30.7 million in property tax incentives in 2016 to major projects and marquee companies in the name of economic development.

Those firms owed $72.6 million in local taxes after the tax breaks were taken into account. But some critics have questioned the need for incentives amid the economic boom.

The board also approved an estimated $5 million tax incentive for a new office tower by developer Portman in Midtown and a $7.6 million tax break for the redevelopment of Colony Square.

Though arguably the city’s hottest neighborhood, neither Midtown project attracted the sort of debate over incentives during the meeting as the two projects south of I-20.

Vice Chairwoman Constance Barkley-Lewis said the tax breaks are necessary to kick off the Turner Field redevelopment.

Banks, she said, “are not lining up to lend” money to the development team led by Atlanta-based Carter.

Georgia State University acquired the stadium and certain parcels earlier this year, with a development team led by Carter obtaining other land, including a number of key parking lots in the area for a mixed-use project.

Two Carter principals signed personal loan guarantees to secure financing – a not uncommon practice in real estate finance – to help kickstart development.

“The first money going into these neighborhoods is very, very difficult to get,” she said.

“It seems like a no-brainer we would develop these neighborhoods,” she said of private sector interest in the project. But the neighborhoods aren’t affluent as other parts of the city, making development there a bigger risk in the eyes of lenders.

“This is not a no-brainer at all,” she said.

After the vote, Carter President Scott Taylor said the tax deal “sets the stage for the first phase of the Summerhill project to begin.”

“We are in a very challenging lending environment and projects like Georgia Avenue might not be financially feasible but for programs like the bond for title,” Taylor said, referring to the lease-purchase bond mechanism Invest Atlanta and other such authorities uses to grant tax breaks.

Mayor Kasim Reed, who chairs the body, said the debate over affordability is “necessary and appropriate.” But, he said, members need to keep in mind promises for revitalization after the 1996 Summer Olympic Games were never fulfilled.

A no vote, he said, “puts this entire project at risk,” and would further hamper ability to recruit additional investment there.
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A no vote, he said, “puts this entire project at risk,” and would further hamper ability to recruit additional investment there.
In the case of FU Heights...I mean Aspen Heights, the project cost is $69 Million and the tax subsidy is $2.6 Million. Therefore, the subsidy is approximately 4% of the overall cost of the project.

There is a quote in the movie As Good As It Gets and I think it is appropriate here, "Go sell crazy somewhere else because we are all stocked up here". I don't think anyone needs a college Major in Finance call BS on this. If a project is at risk/will not happen without a 4% subsidy - THEN THE PROJECT PROBABLY SHOULD NOT HAPPEN! That's just common sense folks.


Recap of Phase I of Summerhill
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The private development team, consisting of Carter, Oakwood Development and Healey Weatherholtz Properties (“COHW”), is developing 35 acres into a mixed-use neighbor-hood including corporate office uses, traditional multifamily apartments, specialty and neighborhood retail and private student apartments.
http://www.carterusa.com/projects/summerhill

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Phase one of the project could bring 85,000 square feet of retail space, 19,000 square feet of creative office space, and 120 residential units to the neighborhood. Plans show surface parking filling the interior of the blocks.
https://atlanta.curbed.com/2017/9/21/16343178/summerhill-turner-field-gsu-student-housing

Net, Net Phase I will take at least 50% of the land. It is not stated if the football stadium's land is calculated into Phase I. Phase I includes 220 student apartments, 19K sqft of office, 85K sqft of retail and 120 TOWNHOME STYLE APARTMENTS (only 15 units workforce housing)

Perspective on a of similar size project:

The Battery Atlanta At SunTrust Park
74 acres include 630,000 square feet of class A office space, 500,000 square feet of retail, 450 hotel rooms, and 500 residences and a 41,500 seat ballpark stadium.

Fuqua's Madison Yards
Which caused sheer panic on this forum for it's surburban design and lack of density and proximity to the Beltline is only 17 acres and will includes: 60K sqft office, 130K sqft retail, 100 condos, 200 senior apartments and 400 apartments.

MOST IMPORTANTLY SUMMERHILL IS 1 MILE FROM THE BELTLINE

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Old Posted Sep 22, 2017, 2:33 PM
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for as much parking as they're already including, I wouldn't mind more parking under/over Whole Foods for at least a mid-rise building on top of Whole Foods (similar to Alta Midtown) and maybe smaller tower along Spring or 13th streets.
Hmmm...that's not how you and others felt with the density to parking ratio at the Underground Atlanta project.
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My goodness I wish there were more development news...
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Hmmm...that's not how you and others felt with the density to parking ratio at the Underground Atlanta project.
I mean the parking deck is already a bastardization for the area so... whatever, add more people is my thought.
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My goodness I wish there were more development news...
Thank you. Sure is a lot to scroll through to find something of interest.
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Making a quick plug for Streets Alive on Peachtree Street Sunday from 2 to 6! Come out and support open streets.
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Source: Atlanta's most walkable sites for Amazon's HQ2

I really like this idea for Amazon HQ2. It basically combines Selig and Metlife's properties in the area and could be the impetus for getting a really cool connector-capping park between 14th and 15th Streets.
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Source: Atlanta's most walkable sites for Amazon's HQ2

I really like this idea for Amazon HQ2. It basically combines Selig and Metlife's properties in the area and could be the impetus for getting a really cool connector-capping park between 14th and 15th Streets.
First, does this pic illustrate 1105 West Peachtree as being under construction?

Exactly how does this work? Amazon needs approx. 100 acres for 8 Million sqft of office space for a project with a lifecycle of 10 - 15 years. Does that mean Amazon acquires all of this land up front and nothing gets built there until they are ready? Seems like it would be easy to pull off in the suburbs, but odd to do it this way in an urban center regardless of the city.

My preference is still Downtown. Downtown needs this rapid stimulus jobs, residential demand and infrastructure improvements needed to realize all of the projects planned for Downtown.
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First, does this pic illustrate 1105 West Peachtree as being under construction?
Yes. Rumor is that buyout has already taken place for much of the project, so expect construction to begin soon.

I agree that downtown is a better option, but if this helps get a park across 75/85, I am all for it. I've been hoping for years that they would extend the on on 5th down to north and up to 14th/17th, but I never expected it to happen. If this sets precedent, it just may.
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I am really liking Icon Midtown - not sold on the mural though. Thanks for the pics SA!
Likewise. Glad the building is white....like the designs covering the parking decks, but yeah....that mural is a buzz kill from what they showed on the drawings. Some greenery would have been a better option IMO.
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Opus Place is still awaiting Building Plan Review approval for their LD permit, that's their last check.

Looks like the plans were returned on 9/15 by the applicant after last submitting in April and are scheduled to be approved 'today,' then Opus would be good to go for the proposed October ground-breaking.
Kicked back to the applicant for revisions
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Source: Atlanta's most walkable sites for Amazon's HQ2

I really like this idea for Amazon HQ2. It basically combines Selig and Metlife's properties in the area and could be the impetus for getting a really cool connector-capping park between 14th and 15th Streets.
The park has been in the long-term plans if/when 15th street is extended across the Connector. Here's an old proposal envisioning the park between 14th/15th streets with development on either side of the Connector, creating a secondary connection to Atlantic Station/Home Park areas.

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Arthur Blank and Tony Ressler privately present visions for downtown revitalization

Source: https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news...k-and-tony-ressler-privatelypresent.html

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The closed meeting, held in Cox Enterprises offices in Ponce City Market, included many of top business leaders in the Atlanta region as well as Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed.
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“Tony and I talked about a week or so ago, and I look forward to more,” Blank said. “He has a very aggressive plan. And we will help him in any way we can.”
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Atlanta’s efforts to win Amazon’s HQ2 also was briefly brought up by the mayor, and the business community leaders pledged to do everything they can to help.

In fact, right after ACP, Gellerstedt was convening a group of business leaders and real estate leaders in his office to talk about how Atlanta can present the “big idea” to capture Amazon’s attentions.

The only CEO who didn’t sound super enthusiastic was Home Depot’s Menear.

“I don’t have any comment,” Menear said after the meeting. Then he intriguingly added: “Has Amazon been good for Seattle?”
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The City should give Amazon the Civic Center property and then the City and State should partner to build the Stitch.
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Yours is a much better angle than mine! The building itself is looking better every day and will be a nice addition to the neighborhood. I do wish they had prepped the whole foods to potentially manage a second tower at a later date, but as stated previously by another, the aluminum siding all but removed those hopes.

As for the mural... it will at least be a stiff contrast from the stiff corporate feel of the street.
The first tower is so large I don't see how they could add a second under current zoning, so roof aside, it wouldn't have made sense to design the foundation for one. In the off-chance it becomes possible (my guess is it won't in our lifetimes, or at least not for several decades), someone can just demolish the Whole Foods portion. A two tower configuration would have required something closer to the height of 77 12th / 60 11th.
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Old Posted Sep 22, 2017, 7:38 PM
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Yours is a much better angle than mine! The building itself is looking better every day and will be a nice addition to the neighborhood. I do wish they had prepped the whole foods to potentially manage a second tower at a later date, but as stated previously by another, the aluminum siding all but removed those hopes.

As for the mural... it will at least be a stiff contrast from the stiff corporate feel of the street.
Aluminum siding? What are you talking about? The aluminum struts area supporting the formwork for the concrete structure.

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