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Holy crap. Again? We're all gonna be in retirement homes when that thing reopens?
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Camden's Amazon bid could be good, but a joint proposal with Philly would be better

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Camden's Amazon bid could be good, but a joint proposal with Philly would be better

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I know everyone complains when I say "Why not Wilmington", but I swear, if Amazon's HQ2 ends up in Camden over Wilmington or Philly, I will not be happy.
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I know everyone complains when I say "Why not Wilmington", but I swear, if Amazon's HQ2 ends up in Camden over Wilmington or Philly, I will not be happy.
Philly, Wilmington and Camden should be working together for a bid, not separately. I understand they're in 3 different states, but the region working together will only benefit it more.
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For the Amazon Proposal, Im curious where Philly would suggest the Phase I structure could be. Its supposed to be 500,000 sqft of existing available office space. And I assume it would be preferable if it could then be integrated into the finished HQ2 campus.

Would the old Aramark building on East Market open up enough once their new building on the Schuylkill is done? Is FMC 100% leased, is there still space available in CTC?
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For the Amazon Proposal, Im curious where Philly would suggest the Phase I structure could be. Its supposed to be 500,000 sqft of existing available office space. And I assume it would be preferable if it could then be integrated into the finished HQ2 campus.
No, Amazon stated in the RFP that it will consider existing buildings of at least 500,000+ square feet that meet their requirements and have additional options for development nearby.

"Amazon is considering greenfield sites, infill sites, existing buildings, or a combination for the Project. If existing buildings are available that can be retrofitted/expanded within an acceptable budget and time schedule, Amazon may consider this option; however, the company acknowledges that existing buildings may not be available to meet its requirements. As such, Amazon will prioritize certified or shovel-ready greenfield sites and infill opportunities with appropriate infrastructure and ability to meet the Project’s timeline and development demands, as set forth below."
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For the Amazon Proposal, Im curious where Philly would suggest the Phase I structure could be. Its supposed to be 500,000 sqft of existing available office space. And I assume it would be preferable if it could then be integrated into the finished HQ2 campus.

Would the old Aramark building on East Market open up enough once their new building on the Schuylkill is done? Is FMC 100% leased, is there still space available in CTC?
Forget about Market East. Amazon should not be going there.

Amazon is requesting Phase I be about 500,000 sq ft, but doesn't have to be an existing building... just needs to be able to be habitable by about 2020. That would be enough time to get tower I of Schuylkill Yards off of the ground and nearly complete.
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Forget about Market East. Amazon should not be going there.

Amazon is requesting Phase I be about 500,000 sq ft, but doesn't have to be an existing building... just needs to be able to be habitable by about 2020. That would be enough time to get tower I of Schuylkill Yards off of the ground and nearly complete.
ah. gotcha. misinterpreted that i guess.
But isnt a 2 year turn around on 500,000 sqft of new construction unrealistic? Are there any Schuylkill Yards buildings that even have architectural drawings?
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2017, 7:02 PM
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ah. gotcha. misinterpreted that i guess.
But isnt a 2 year turn around on 500,000 sqft of new construction unrealistic? Are there any Schuylkill Yards buildings that even have architectural drawings?
Not at all... that's pretty common actually. Cira Centre is 730,000 square feet, and took about 2 years to build 13 years ago. Technology and building times have only sped up since then.

Schuylkill Yards tower 1 is being worked on now. Some planning/zoning approvals are already in place actually.

Schuylkill Yards has to be one of the closest to break-ground-ready projects there are in the entire country that could handle the size of space and timeline Amazon is looking for.
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Not at all... that's pretty common actually. Cira Centre is 730,000 square feet, and took about 2 years to build 13 years ago. Technology and building times have only sped up since then.

Schuylkill Yards tower 1 is being worked on now. Some planning/zoning approvals are already in place actually.

Schuylkill Yards has to be one of the closest to break-ground-ready projects there are in the entire country that could handle the size of space and timeline Amazon is looking for.
Which is Philadelphia's definite selling point. I watched a video from Bloomberg where they were discussing the most likely cities, and the one guy said he didn't see how Philly was more appealing than DC, Boston, Toronto, etc. Schuylkill Yards is what we have. It's our real pitch.



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Would the old Aramark building on East Market open up enough once their new building on the Schuylkill is done?
Hey, if they want to build a Willis Tower-sized building at 8th and Market, that's fine by me! (Please don't take that too seriously)
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I know everyone complains when I say "Why not Wilmington", but I swear, if Amazon's HQ2 ends up in Camden over Wilmington or Philly, I will not be happy.
As has been explained to you before, Camden is essentially a part of Philadelphia as far as proximity and transportation are concerned. Camden is about the the same distance from city hall as Broad and Passyunk.

I'm not going to disparage Wilmington, but I will say that if you're from Wilmington you definitely should not be shitting on other cities.
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Thumbs up Philadelphia/Amazon

My opinion is that it's a Philadelphia deal.!

The BIG problem that I see (from afar) is that if the City Commerce department is the driving force behind the presentation, Philadelphia has no chance. They are not the best and brightest marketing, real estate development, corporate leaders for the region, although they think that they are. Mayor Kenney likewise is a hack. One shakedown effort by the polls, and Amazon walks out the door.

Having dealt with big city pols from the corporate side, I know exactly how they approach these kinds of deals. Hands open for kickbacks through their personal attorneys. Mayor asking for one thing, City Council asking for something else.

Against all odds, I hope that I'm wrong.
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When I say it's a Philadelphia deal, I mean vs. Camden or Wilmington.

Techies will move to Philadelphia from high cost cities.

Why Amazon Needs Some Cities More Than They Need Amazon
Buyer beware for mayors mulling a bid on the internet retailer’s second headquarters
Amazon.com is looking to build a second corporate headquarters in another location, but the company’s human capital requirements limit its options.
Amazon.com is looking to build a second corporate headquarters in another location, but the company’s human capital requirements limit its options. PHOTO: DAVID RYDER/GETTY IMAGES

By Greg Ip
Sept. 20, 2017 11:41 a.m. ET
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When Amazon.com Inc. announced this month it was searching for a home for a second headquarters, it made it clear the winning city should expect to dole out big incentives.

Mayors should think twice before writing a big check because the playing field between cities and companies has changed.

As the U.S. economy has shifted from manufacturing to knowledge-intensive products, that has also altered where companies decide to locate.

Countless places could host a factory or the sort of distribution center Amazon opens several times a year. In that case it makes sense for cities to outbid each other with hefty incentive packages.

But Amazon’s head office operation will produce ideas, patents, and software, the product of human rather than physical capital. That significantly limits its options.

The Techie Get Techier
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Note: Includes software publishing, data processing and hosting, computer system design
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Whereas physical capital can be anywhere, including overseas, human capital clusters in a handful of cities defined by deep pools of innovative workers and companies and the quality of life that keeps them there. Such cities don’t need to offer cash to attract the likes of Amazon.

Back in the 1990s, it was thought the internet would be the “death of distance.” Since employees could work from almost anywhere, they would move to cheap, low-tax cities, fleeing the costly, congested, overtaxed coastal enclaves of California’s Bay Area, New York and Boston.

In fact, as Enrico Moretti, an economist at the University of California, Berkeley, notes in his 2012 book, “The New Geography of Jobs,” the opposite happened: The wealthiest cities have pulled further ahead while the laggards have fallen further behind. The divergence has grown since the last recession.
Mark Muro and Sifan Liu of the Brookings Institution noted in a March article that between 2010 and 2015, 14 of the country’s 100 largest metropolitan areas materially increased their share of the nation’s tech jobs. The three biggest share gainers—the San Francisco, San Jose and Austin areas—are already home to clusters of such jobs.

Mr. Moretti attributes this to the “network effects” of knowledge work: “Being around smart people makes us smarter and more innovative. … Once a city attracts some innovative workers and innovative companies, its economy changes in ways that make it even more attractive to other innovators.”

Many cities justify throwing massive incentive packages at new employers on the theory that they will then attract new businesses, creating spillover benefits. For the country it’s zero sum but for a city it can be positive sum. A study co-written by Mr. Moretti shows that when a large plant locates in a county, productivity at neighboring plants also rises, reflecting the spillover benefits.

Such logic drove Wisconsin to offer an eye-watering $3 billion to Taiwan’s Foxconn Technology Group to build its first U.S. factory, making liquid crystal displays, in the state’s southeast. Foxconn was scoping out a half dozen other states, all of which could have offered the same basic amenities.

“You could place the Foxconn operation in many places in the Midwest and the product of that establishment wouldn’t change that much,” says Mr. Moretti. Where a factory locates “depends a lot on the bids and less on the characteristics of the community.”

Foxconn isn’t about to turn Wisconsin into a hotbed of innovation; public largess virtually never does.

Innovative people, top-notch universities and serendipity can.

Silicon Valley owes its pre-eminence to the decision by William Shockley, one of the transistor’s inventors, to start a semiconductor business there in 1956. Seattle was a run-down, declining city when Paul Allen and Bill Gates moved Microsoft to the area to be close to their families in 1979. Microsoft’s presence, in turn, encouraged Jeff Bezos to start Amazon there since it guaranteed access to a lot of software engineers.

World-class universities are usually essential, as Boston and Austin demonstrate. This is a relatively modern phenomenon. The demise of Boston’s factories turned the city into a “hollowed-out hull” by the 1970s, Harvard University economist Edward Glaeser wrote in his 2011 book, “Triumph of the City: How Our Greatest Invention Makes Us Richer, Smarter, Greener, Healthier, and Happier.” Its universities made possible the city’s resurgence on “education-oriented industries” such as engineering, computers, financial services, management consulting and biotechnology.

Those educational disparities are growing: Mr. Moretti has found that since 1980 the best educated cities have expanded their college-educated workforce share much faster than others, defying expectations of convergence.

Mark Sweeney, whose firm McCallum Sweeney Consulting advises companies on where to locate, says there’s a good chance the winner of the Amazon headquarters project will pay more than Wisconsin did for Foxconn: “This really is a transformational project.”

For any city not already brimming with knowledge workers, landing Amazon’s second headquarters, which it says will bring up to 50,000 high-wage jobs and $5 billion in construction spending, could indeed be transformational.

But what if your city already has them? The case for paying a rich company to do what is in its own interest is much weaker. If Amazon passes you by, odds are another company will come along. Or, says Mr. Glaeser, “You’ll create your own Amazon.”

Write to Greg Ip at [email protected]
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As has been explained to you before, Camden is essentially a part of Philadelphia as far as proximity and transportation are concerned. Camden is about the the same distance from city hall as Broad and Passyunk.

I'm not going to disparage Wilmington, but I will say that if you're from Wilmington you definitely should not be shitting on other cities.
I'm not trying to put Camden down, but Camden (to me) seems to be getting a lot of great development projects that are really going to most likely help Camden. Wilmington has not been doing as well for development as Camden, because all what we are getting are a bunch of boring apartment/condo buildings that we don't need at all, because Wilmington is loosing offices and we've even lost companies like Hercules and Dupont, and guess whats happening to those places. More apartments/condos. I may sometimes seem bias towards Wilmington, but we have gone down a lot from the 1980s, and this really frustrates me. Say what you want about how we are getting all this condo development, but I think it's a waste, because it's filling a demand that honestly is not there (At least it seems like this for me). Wilmington needs to focus on offices! I'm not saying don't build residential buildings, just that it's too much. (I could be wrong about some of these things, but this is how it seams to me).

Also, on a side note, watch your language! I guest that it's 2017, but cursing at me or anyone/anything else just because of text really goes to show how immature people are these days.
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Did just the Police abandon the insurance building near Market and 46th or did the other intended uses bail as well?

That building is 623,000 sq ft and is wrapping up a, what, $50mm renovation? In case they want to move in in a few months instead of the first 500,000 by 2020...
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Imo, west coast cities are out of the question

With earthquakes, and threats from the Hermit Kingdom, I think that Amazon chooses an East Coast, or Central Texas location.

Philadelphia is ripe to attract the right Techie talent, (like my son,) and keep that Engineering talent which has left the region in the past for this opportunity.
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With earthquakes, and threats from the Hermit Kingdom, I think that Amazon chooses an East Coast, or Central Texas location.

Philadelphia is ripe to attract the right Techie talent, (like my son,) and keep that Engineering talent which has left the region in the past for this opportunity.
From a natural disaster standpoint, Philly is solid. No drought/wildfire, tornadoes, hurricanes, and earthquakes. So Amazon HQ2 would not have to worry about disruptions like these if they chose us.
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Philly, Wilmington and Camden should be working together for a bid, not separately. I understand they're in 3 different states, but the region working together will only benefit it more.
+a million

I really hope that the idiots in NJ and DE trying to ride on the coat tails of the PHILADELPHIA region don't put off Amazon. Rather than bolstering the Philly proposal knowing damn well they'll benefit.
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