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Old Posted Sep 20, 2017, 12:37 AM
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Garages can be built with residential floor-to-floor heights, or theoretically even commercial floor-to-floor heights...but very few are. Some are even slanted floors, and all are at least partially slanted floors. Most would be hard or impossible to retrofit.
The building above was a parking garage (the black part)- turned out pretty nice IMHO.
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You are missing the main benefit of automated cars... there will be significantly fewer cars on the road. They will be so much cheaper to use compared to cabs or even Uber and Lyft that most people wont bother to own one. Car use will become a commodity, cheap and available to all the masses.
these rosy utopian visions never unfold the way people predict they will. sorry but you sound like someone extolling the virtues of the freeway circa 1945.

will it change transportation in our lifetimes? most likely. but there will also absolutely be massive unforeseen consequences that we cant even begin to predict or plan for. not saying thats a reason not to do something but i would also argue not all technological innovation is good just by virtue of it existing or being profitable. plenty of things that are profitable or transformative in todays world are absolutely awful in the long run for modern life. we wont truly know until we wake up one day in the midst of it and take a moment to deconstruct exactly how it is we arrived where we are.

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Old Posted Sep 20, 2017, 1:38 AM
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Can we please take the automated vehicles discussion elsewhere?
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2017, 3:04 AM
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Yeah. But much harder to replace. How do you retrofit all those buildings to not look like shit from the street?
Believe it or not you can actually often rip whole floor slabs out of reinforced concrete frame buildings. They carry very little load structurally besides the loads placed upon them (vehicles, humans, files, whatever). That's how many of these huge old multi floor loft warehouses are made habitable. They will actually cut whole bays out of these old buildings to create a light well. They will also knock out bays and rebuild with new ramps attached to the old concrete to allow the floors to be used as a garage. The challenges associated with deconverting a podium are pretty much what you would do to turn a loft warehouse into a parking garage but in reverse. Take the ramps out and pour new flat floors, maybe take out every other slab and go from a 7' ceiling height to 14' loft ceilings. As long as you aren't permenantly removing any major beams (though these can be moved if you really need to), shear walls, or columns, then you can pretty much do what you want.

My prediction is that converted garages will be the "found space" of the next generation in the same way that old industrial spaces are being reclaimed today. Someday it will be chic to live in the relics of the automobile era. Imagine a time when human controlled vehicles are as rare as a horse and buggy. It will be like living in an old carriage house or elicit the same fascination as old school "manual" factories do today. There will be a day where almost no one drives and the act of "parking the car" is a relic of a past era. People will almost never enter garages in the near future, it will be as surreal as "exploring" the remnants of an old industrial complex is to our generation.
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Why would the ship have sailed [regarding Jefferson ROW]?
Part (maybe all, the PD amendments aren't crystal clear) of the right of way between Kinzie and the Union Station tracks was vacated; handed over to the developers of K Station.

In addition, Amtrak/Metra are going to fiercely resist a new grade crossing.

There's a lot of things that should be done in this corridor to untangle the transportation, including figuring out a high-speed rail approach and swapping trackage to avoid the need for a flat crossing at A-2 interlocking. But we only do things piecemeal in this town, and only to serve developers.
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My prediction is that converted garages will be the "found space" of the next generation in the same way that old industrial spaces are being reclaimed today. Someday it will be chic to live in the relics of the automobile era. Imagine a time when human controlled vehicles are as rare as a horse and buggy. It will be like living in an old carriage house or elicit the same fascination as old school "manual" factories do today. There will be a day where almost no one drives and the act of "parking the car" is a relic of a past era. People will almost never enter garages in the near future, it will be as surreal as "exploring" the remnants of an old industrial complex is to our generation.
that sounds terrible and I hope I'm dead by then
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I think we are headed for a mixed period on computer-controlled cars. I can imagine there will be portions of expressways that would will only be allowed to enter with the computer taking over the driving, so that all the cars can go 90-mph 10 feet apart. And probably same for some inner city zones/districts
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I think we are headed for a mixed period on computer-controlled cars. I can imagine there will be portions of expressways that would will only be allowed to enter with the computer taking over the driving, so that all the cars can go 90-mph 10 feet apart. And probably same for some inner city zones/districts
Automated cars will not be traveling at 90 MPH with 10 ft. spacing for quite some time. Especially on congested urban interstates. Will automated cars even be built with the capacity to exceed 55 MPH? Collisions between cars become exponentially more deadly after 55 MPH. Should there be an accident between automated cars driving 90 MPH 10 ft. apart, you can guarantee there will be fatalities.
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I think we're getting ahead of ourselves with the automated cars discussion. While I don't doubt they are coming, I think they will be used for convenience trips. Going to the store, coming home after a night out, etc. Much like how people use lyft and uber now. I don't see people using them to commute en masse. It would still result in widespread congestion.
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943-57 West Wilson (Wilson & Sheridan)

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What an excellent location - it's exactly where I was standing when I saw a car stop across Wilson, the driver get out and open fire on pedestrians with a pistol across the street after the Pride Parade in 2015.
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^ That looks great.

People really love those false double height floors (where every other band between floors is clad in glass) these days, don't they?

The West Loop is becoming the dense mid-rise neighborhood that Chicago has never really had.
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TFW there are so many underway developments in the West Loop that you totally forget about a project that's poised to take up most of a block. I'm going to need an augmented reality app or something just to walk around here and remember what's what.
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People really love those false double height floors (where every other band between floors is clad in glass) these days, don't they?
Yes, and they have the effect of making the building feel more incongruous with its surroundings than accurately presented floors do. No one is counting floors and only then determining that a building is a towering hulk; they're looking at it in comparison to its immediate context (upon which, thanks to those huge 'windows' and expanses of opaque material, they're ultimately thinking, "this looks cartoonishly oversized").

Also, I don't know why they can't simply screen the exterior of the garage portion. It looks much better that way. It keeps the face of the building visually permeable, and if I'm being generous, cars can be appreciated as objects of industrial design that are a part of the urban experience and needn't be hidden away. If they're planning on having the garage temperature-controlled, then that's a different story.
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that BKL project is such a mishmash of crap, no continuity at all, it looks dumb... the base Is completely different than the upper floors which change materials a few more times... terrible
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