YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[casper]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

TWOV Transit Without Visa

Back in 2013 and 2014, this was one hot topic at YVR (and YYZ, also). It also seemed imminent at that time.
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What has happened since then? Has TWOV been cancelled, postponed, or is it in effect yet?
I have heard nothing about it for so long that I am wondering if it has been shelved indefinitely or what.
Or am I mistaken, and is it in effect? Anybody knowledgeable on this who can provide an answer, could I ask your support?
This is a major step for YVR - and YYZ - and I'd like to know where we are at with it. Thank you very much.

Here is the details:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/twov/travellers.asp

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by casper

Here is the details:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/twov/travellers.asp

Thank you, Casper From the link given, can I assume that TWOV is in effect right now? Looks that way. Out of curiosity, is there a TWOV waiting area at YVR, or is it the whole terminal?

[YYCguys]

Originally Posted by red-paladin

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/seattle-vancouver-seaplane-1.4288823

Not YVR related, but the Harbour airport this time. Seems like the best thread to put it in though.

I'm personally very excited if this gets approval! It would be a hoot to fly harbour to harbour as I love float planes!

[LeftCoaster]

Posted this in the Canada section, but probably of relevance here too:

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Looks like ACs expansion will continue:

Air Canada, pilots reach deal for more aircraft in low-cost Rouge unit
https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/report-...609/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&

The expansion is only for the narrow body fleet , so this likely means the 737 MAX set to replace the 320 fleet will now mean a portion of the 320 fleet is moved to rouge rather than retired. Big news for YYZ and YUL as that is where the 320/319 Rouge fleet is based as if I recall correctly they shut down their YVR base.

Hopefully some news about widebody expansion for Rouge as well, since the narrowbody range makes any interesting routes less likely.

This may allow for some sun flying destinations from YVR, I'd love to see something in Central America, Costa Rica or Guatemala perhaps. Maybe even open up an AC route to Miami or the Caribbean.

The other way this could benefit YVR is if some YYZ/YUL to Europe flying gets replaced by narrowbodies, freeing up some 767s for YVR. Doubtful but it could happen though as it would require the MAX not the A320 fleet. I believe Glasgow, Edinburgh, Bogota, Manchester and Gatwick are all 767 routes and could be within the range of a 737MAX.

All in all this is likely going to benefit the eastern airports more though, as they are the current rouge narrowbody bases and have more destinations within 320 range.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

TWOV Transit Without Visa

Back in 2013 and 2014, this was one hot topic at YVR (and YYZ, also). It also seemed imminent at that time.
*
What has happened since then? Has TWOV been cancelled, postponed, or is it in effect yet?
I have heard nothing about it for so long that I am wondering if it has been shelved indefinitely or what.
Or am I mistaken, and is it in effect? Anybody knowledgeable on this who can provide an answer, could I ask your support?
This is a major step for YVR - and YYZ - and I'd like to know where we are at with it. Thank you very much.

Cage and me were talking about this on the YYC page. Yes, it is in use at YVR, YYZ(T1) and YYC.

YUL doesn't participate because it's international wing isn't sterile. It is connected with the domestic jetty. A question of aircraft flexibility (less towing) and utilizing international gates for domestic departures or vice versa.

Now that Asia ops at YUL are growing, they might decide to sterilize the international jetty and join the program. We will see what they do.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

So 3xPW LGW replaced with 2xPW DUB. Does this mean there is a missing cycle or is it just how the timing worked out with the YYZ shuffle the plane used to do?

Either way great news, hopefully in a few years the route is strong enough to go daily.

Looking at the latest Rouge developments...

Last summer as I mentioned LGW was rotated through YYZ.

Then...
One YVR based 763 did the daily KIX flight.
One YVR based 763 did both NGO and DUB (NGO days 1,2,4,6 and DUB days 3,5,7)
And One YVR based 763 rotated on a daily basis through LAS and HNL/OGG.

Based on that... in order for them to increase DUB to 5pw.... It would appear they are bringing in a 4th 763....

One to do daily KIX
One to go the daily LAS/HNL or OGG combo
One to do 4 weekly NGO (plus 3 a week to ???)
One to do 5 weekly DUB (plus 2 a week to ???)

.... there are technically 5 weekly rotations unaccounted for at this time for next summer unless something gets cut.... but I really don't see that happening. Perhaps MAN/GLA and/or another Japanese city or maybe increase NGO. Who knows!

[thenoflyzone]

^

A lot of possibilities.

PVR can get Rouged, MCO can go year round. More UK service is also feasible.

A lot of mainline 767s on YYZ-YVR. With their number dwindling in the coming months, Maybe some of those will be replaced by Rouge 767s? YVR-YUL?

[trofirhen]

Does AC giving up LGW mean that there will be no service there, or will WJ still serve it?

Too bad that, unlike Seattle, we can't get Norwegian >>> to LGW and maybe summer seasonal to BCN.

The problem would be to leverage around the fact that Norway is not in the EU,
even though they have offices in Dublin. Be great to have them here. $$$$ great value.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Does AC giving up LGW mean that there will be no service there, or will WJ still serve it?

Too bad that, unlike Seattle, we can't get Norwegian >>> to LGW and maybe summer seasonal to BCN.

The problem would be to leverage around the fact that Norway is not in the EU,
even though they have offices in Dublin. Be great to have them here. $$$$ great value.

Just because AC is discontining LGW doesn't mean WS will do the same.

As for Norwegian, there are some issues they need to resolve before they can even think about serving Canada.

The U.S-EU open skies bilateral includes Iceland and Norway. That is not the case with the Canada-EU openskies agreement. Meaning if Norwegian Long Haul starts flights to Canada, it would need to abide by the rules set forth in the Canada-Norway bilateral. Problem is, they are not even listed as a carrier in the Canada-Norway bilateral. Only AC and SAS are approved carriers. So the bilateral agreement would need to be amended. Another possible option is to transfer a B787 to their Irish division, Norwegian Air International (NAI) or their UK division, Norwegian Air UK. That way, they could serve Canada under the Canada-EU open skies agreement.

All of this is trivial, as I'm not sure Norwegian is making any money on their transatlantic venture.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Does AC giving up LGW mean that there will be no service there, or will WJ still serve it?

YVR-LGW is essentially double daily in the summer with Transat flying a 332 daily and Westjet's 6x 763 service. Combined with AC and BA's service that's 5 daily flights including a 380... More than enough options to London.

I'd much rather see Norwegian fly an unserved route than enter the YVR-LON bloodbath.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

.... there are technically 5 weekly rotations unaccounted for at this time for next summer unless something gets cut.... but I really don't see that happening. Perhaps MAN/GLA and/or another Japanese city or maybe increase NGO. Who knows!

Aha! That's exactly what I was hoping.

I doubt AC sends a YUL or YYZ route as a Rouge, those flights are just way too business heavy.

I could see something down south, but it would be a tough time to send it down there. Fingers crossed for a new European destination or maybe Sapporo.

Here are the Euro destinations Rouge flies to from YYZ not currently served by YVR:

Athens
Barcelona
Berlin
Budapest
Edinburgh
Glasgow
Lisbon
Manchester
Prague
Reykjavik
Venice
Warsaw

Outside of the British Isles destinations, most probably wouldn't work, but I could see some possibility of a 3x service to Berlin or Barcelona.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

YVR-LGW is essentially double daily in the summer with Transat flying a 332 daily and Westjet's 6x 763 service. Combined with AC and BA's service that's 5 daily flights including a 380... More than enough options to London.

I'd much rather see Norwegian fly an unserved route than enter the YVR-LON bloodbath.

You're totally right about the London "bloodbath." Maybe Norwegian could get summer seasonal to Barcelona,
apparently the most underserved YVR-Europe route. ... Though Iberia (BA) would probably get it, as part of BA. ... Except if Brexit goes through .....

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Aha! That's exactly what I was hoping.

I doubt AC sends a YUL or YYZ route as a Rouge, those flights are just way too business heavy.

I could see something down south, but it would be a tough time to send it down there. Fingers crossed for a new European destination or maybe Sapporo.

Outside of the British Isles destinations, most probably wouldn't work, but I could see some possibility of a 3x service to Berlin or Barcelona.

So far, for summer 2018, all the new AC routes / route enhancements have been to Europe or Australia. So far, there have been no announcements for YVR-Asia.

I know FUK and CTS are on the radar and those would be ideal rouge routes.

I'd go for 2 weekly CTS (or FUK), 2 weekly MAN and 1 weekly GLA.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

So far, for summer 2018, all the new AC routes / route enhancements have been to Europe or Australia. So far, there have been no announcements for YVR-Asia.

Probably to do with the fact that yields are trash to Asia.

[nname]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Probably to do with the fact that yields are trash to Asia.

Not for Japan/Korea flights or any flights between late-June to early-Sept and December though. Some fares are still in around $1500 to $1800 in the middle of peak season, while you can get the same ticket off-season for slightly more than $500...

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

So far, for summer 2018, all the new AC routes / route enhancements have been to Europe or Australia. So far, there have been no announcements for YVR-Asia.

I know FUK and CTS are on the radar and those would be ideal rouge routes.

I'd go for 2 weekly CTS (or FUK), 2 weekly MAN and 1 weekly GLA.

Would rouge ever do a 1 weekly? As far as I can tell they don't have any singles in their long haul network.

As far as Japan goes I wonder if there would be any market for a CTS winter run. AC has stressed their need to activate their fleet in the winter months and the skiing in Hokiado is supposed to be an untapped gem. Might be a good market in the PNW with a bunch of retired boomer former ski bums looking to check things off their bucket list.

I hope given ACs winter fleet utilization issues we see some Latin America growth. Mirroring YULs 2x to Lima would be a good start, as would Panama City.

Also in the southern routes growth notation I came across this old article which states Interjet was originally looking at YVR-MEX and adding CUN and GDL later. Looks like they added Cancun immediately but could still be looking at Guadalajara later.
http://www.theyucatantimes.com/2016/10/mexicos-interjet-seeks-merger-with-american-or-united/

[zahav]

Some nice retro plane landings in these videos (as well as other cool Vancouver shots!):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_fSYW6Sz4Q#action=share

https://www.facebook.com/BeVancouver/videos/1668207049918769/ (skip to the 12:30 mark for some amazing flyovers)

[LeftCoaster]

With YYZ going direct from Manilla on Philippine Airlines attention is turning to where the 4xPW YVR tag on will go next.

Key contenders seem to be:

MNL-YVR-ORD
MNL-YVR-IAH
MNL-YVR-LAS
MNL-YVR-SAN

This article quotes the PAL president as saying they would like to Fly YVR to IAH and ORD, replacing the YYZ and NYC Routes. I'd be totally cool with this as SAN can transfer through LAX so easily and another carrier to LAS is hardly interesting.

Thoughts?

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

With YYZ going direct from Manilla on Philippine Airlines attention is turning to where the 4xPW YVR tag on will go next.

Key contenders seem to be:

MNL-YVR-ORD
MNL-YVR-IAH
MNL-YVR-LAS
MNL-YVR-SAN

This article quotes the PAL president as saying they would like to Fly YVR to IAH and ORD, replacing the YYZ and NYC Routes. I'd be totally cool with this as SAN can transfer through LAX so easily and another carrier to LAS is hardly interesting.

Thoughts?

An East Coast destination (well, central), like ORD or IAH seems the most sensible from looking at your list.
*Also, reading the article, the headlines read "Opens up Chicago Houston and Seattle." Are they inaugurating Seattle flights or what?

[LeftCoaster]

Sounds like they are looking to launch SEA direct yes.