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I thought Phase 3 to Kanata was supposed to be finished by 2031, worst case scenario. Most likely much earlier.
Wow, in 10 years people's view of construction in Ottawa has really changed. I would never have thought someone would have believed a transit project would be completed "much earlier" than foretasted before.
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I thought Phase 3 to Kanata was supposed to be finished by 2031, worst case scenario. Most likely much earlier.
If it starts construction in 2031 I'll be pushing 60 by the time it's done. Life is short, folks.
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If it starts construction in 2031 I'll be pushing 60 by the time it's done. Life is short, folks.
And we'll all be very super mega-dead before there is mass transit serving the older mixed-use areas of the core and inside-greenbelt suburbs.
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It took 4 years to build a railroad spanning all the way across Canada back when the population of the whole country was just over 4 million but a train from Ottawa to Canada needs over 15 years to build.

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It took 4 years to build a railroad spanning all the way across Canada back when the population of the whole country was just over 4 million but a train from Ottawa to Canada needs over 15 years to build.

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It's a financing (and partly jurisdictional) issue, not a technical one.
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There wasn't a thing called "environmental assessment" back then.
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There also weren't very many worker's rights back then either. Not too legal to pay Chinese immigrants dirt wages to build roads and railroads across the country anymore.
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2017, 11:07 PM
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City baffled by agency's questions about railway and Prince of Wales Bridge

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: June 28, 2017 | Last Updated: June 28, 2017 6:17 PM EDT


The City of Ottawa is annoyed that a federal regulator keeps pestering the municipality about the future of a railway and bridge.

In a letter sent to the Canadian Transportation Agency on Wednesday, city solicitor and clerk Rick O’Connor tells the agency that “the city is becoming increasingly concerned by the agency’s apparent reluctance to accept the city’s very transparent, very consistent and very clear confirmations and reaffirmations” to continue owning the railway north of Bayview station and on the Prince of Wales Bridge.

The Moose Consortium complained to the CTA that the city didn’t follow the proper process when it removed part of the tracks between Bayview station and the Prince of Wales Bridge to the north. The CTA suggested federal law compels the city to follow a “discontinuance” process, if even part of its rail line has stopped operations.

Other rail companies could get access to a discontinued rail line if the owner has stopped operating the tracks.

The city is building the Bayview LRT station and the old tracks north of the station are removed and blocked because of construction.

Still, the diesel-train Trillium line has always had a terminus at Bayview station.

Earlier this month, the CTA ordered the city to explain what’s happening and the agency gave a deadline of June 28. The agency wanted an update on the city’s operation of the rail line and the Prince of Wales Bridge, which spans the Ottawa River connecting Ottawa with Gatineau.

O’Connor replied with an eight-page letter, underscoring the number of times the city has indicated to the CTA that it wants to run trains north of Bayview station in the future. Just because the section of railway is inactive now doesn’t mean it’s discontinued, he writes.

The city is baffled by the CTA’s continued questions about the line since the municipality’s intentions have been “straightforward” in several communications with the agency, O’Connor writes.

In a separate memo to city council, O’Connor says he doesn’t know when the CTA will make a decision on the issue or what the next steps would be.

Moose (Mobility Ottawa-Outaouais: Systems and Enterprises) has a dream of seeing the private sector fund, build and run a train service to Smiths Falls, Arnprior and Maxville in eastern Ontario, and Bristol, Wakefield and Montebello in western Quebec. The trains would run on existing rail corridors through Ottawa and Gatineau using the Prince of Wales Bridge.

The City of Ottawa owns the Prince of Wales Bridge. The bridge is no longer used as a train bridge and is considered closed to the public, although people trespass to hang out on the deck. One day, the bridge will likely be used to extend the Trillium line to Gatineau.

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City baffled by agency's questions about railway and Prince of Wales Bridge

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Published on: June 28, 2017 | Last Updated: June 28, 2017 6:17 PM EDT


The City of Ottawa is annoyed that a federal regulator keeps pestering the municipality about the future of a railway and bridge.

In a letter sent to the Canadian Transportation Agency on Wednesday, city solicitor and clerk Rick O’Connor tells the agency that “the city is becoming increasingly concerned by the agency’s apparent reluctance to accept the city’s very transparent, very consistent and very clear confirmations and reaffirmations” to continue owning the railway north of Bayview station and on the Prince of Wales Bridge.
The City says that they're being "transparent" about retaining the line north of Bayview yet their own published publicly-accessible Confederation Line-related documentation suggests otherwise.

Here is page 8 from a 2011 technical document on the Confederation Line webpage (Ottawa Light Rail Transit Project-Technical Overview July 6, 2011)



In this pair of images, the Trillium Line comes to a terminus at Bayview and the pathways and such on the top view directly contradict any notion of the railway continuing north. It's even shown as being a potential STO "drop off" area.

A year and a half later, we have the following image on page 10 of an appendix to a report to Council (Construction and Maintenance of the Ottawa Light Rail Transit System Appendix 1).



In this image, they've altered the design of the platform at the Trillium Line level, so that the track is now on the east side of the platform (and this appears to be what is being constructed). The mainline, prior to its removal, can be seen at the bottom left in the underlying topo map (as a pair of parallel lines above the 'it' of "Site" in the caption) where a path heading to the platform covers it (it emerges at the top left, again with a path built right on top of the mainline). The Bayview track clearly doesn't continue north either, as it is shown with a tree beyond its end.

I scoured the rest of the pages at the Confederation Line website for any other images of Bayview giving more or different information but couldn't find any better than these. So were I the CTA, I'd be hard-pressed to conclude other than how they have - the City intends to close the rail line all the while maintaining on Capital Railway/OC Transpo's website that it intends to continue "operating" the line and bridge north of Bayview.

At least the design in the 2011 imagery lent itself to a fairly straightforward way out: either extend the station track northwards to reconnect it to the line over the bridge and/or reinstate the mainline at the west side of the underpasses. Looking at the design in the 2012 image, it is conceivable that the path at the west side of the underpasses/station could be removed/relocated and the track re-instated, so long as no other obstacles are being built. But that's just me looking at a way to resolve the issue: it certainly isn't what the imagery suggests will happen nor does just leaving white space for future transit connections relate in any way to maintaining a continuous railway line.

Granted, I haven't seen the construction documents and I don't know what the City has submitted to the CTA, but the City's claim of it being "transparent" definitely doesn't hold any water since the only things they've publicly published suggest the line being severed.
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2017, 1:09 AM
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Bridge barricades ramped up after Transport Canada questions

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Published on: August 15, 2017 | Last Updated: August 15, 2017 7:10 PM EDT




A meeting between city officials and Transport Canada over concerns about the Prince of Wales Bridge sped up plans to block off entry points on the historic Ottawa River crossing, according to emails and documents recently released to the Citizen.

A contractor installed chain-link fences at the bridge access points last September after Transport Canada summoned city staff to the federal headquarters in at the end of 2015 to discuss security on the out-of-service rail bridge.

According to internal city emails released through access to information, Transport Canada contacted the city on Nov. 23, 2015, with concerns about security on the bridge after being tipped off by reports in the media.

While the emails don’t indicate what issue triggered Transport Canada’s interest, Ottawa police in August that year reported robberies on and around the bridge.

City officials met with the agency on Dec. 2, 2015, to explain that it increased patrols and had plans to permanently barricade the bridge.

Two days before Christmas that year, a Transport Canada engineer reminded the city of the municipality’s obligations under the federal Railway Safety Act to protect the security of the public and the property.

The city emails and documents were produced between Jan. 1, 2016, and Sept. 23, 2016, the date the Citizen made the request. Email exchanges between staff, politicians and consultants illustrate the drudgery to get the barricades constructed.

The city started ramping up plans to build security gates at the bridge access points and working with consultants on a design, but after Councillors Jeff Leiper and Catherine McKenney learned about the plan in April 2016, the design was put on hold.

The project started out as strong security gates but it eventually ended up being fencing.

After confirming the plan with the city’s legal department, the asset management department restarted the barricade project in June 2016.

There was skepticism internally about the project, even though the city needed to satisfy Transport Canada.

In June 2016, one infrastructure staffer predicted in an email that there would be a “media circus,” the fences would be vandalized, and the plan seemed to conflict with the Canada 150 celebrations in 2017.

By the middle of August 2016, the secret was out: the city was working to put barricades on the bridge. The Citizen’s story even caught some higher-ups at OC Transpo off guard, judging by an internal email thread produced after article was published.

Leiper already had sounded the alarm bells internally in April 2016 about the barricades when staff brought him into the loop. When the Citizen story was published, Leiper followed up with a Sunday afternoon email to city manager Steve Kanellakos complaining about the plan and expressing his opposition.

Responded Kanellakos: “Quite frankly, this was not on my radar until it was reported in the media,” and he had transit head John Manconi and then-planning boss John Moser get him more information. Moser quickly halted the design work.

By then, the city’s intention to block pedestrian access to the bridge was a hot topic, especially for those who for years have enjoyed walking the deck planks or watching the sunset from a perch over the Ottawa River.

In fact, when a Transpo special constable on bike patrol responded to the bridge for trespassers on Aug. 17, 2016, he found about 40 people on the deck and many were jumping off the bridge into the water. Some of them told the special constable, who was there to enforce the trespass rules, they had been doing it for years without any consequences.

The city wanted to install robust gates at four separate bridge locations and the cost was approaching $450,000, prompting staff to review the requirements.

In the end, the city only spent about $46,000 on standard chain-link fences at the access points.

On Sept. 20, 2016, during the work installing the fences, a communications staffer forwarded to his boss a tweet showing an already vandalized fence.

During the work, the city was also arranging private security to protect the job site and watch for trespassers. One hiccup was having security watch the Gatineau side of the bridge because although the full bridge is owned by the City of Ottawa, it cross into Gatineau and there’s different licensing for private security on the other side of the river. The city had to call up a second security company with Quebec credentials.

In its analysis of barricade options, the city predicted there would be an annual $10,000 cost to repair the chain-link fences.

On Tuesday, the city estimated there has been 35-40 inspections or repairs on the new fences since they were installed last September. About $15,000 has been spent on repairs.

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A reply from the City to the CTA :

Ottawa Metro News : Three years to repair Prince of Wales Bridge, says city :
By: Kieran Delamont Metro Published on Sun Sep 10 2017
http://www.metronews.ca/news/ottawa/...says-city.html

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The work required to repair the Prince of Wales Bridge such that it could be used to provide train service between Ottawa and Gatineau at some point in the future, would take at least three years, said the city in a letter to the Canadian Transport Agency on Friday.

The city noted, however, that it is making no firm commitments as to when they would be moving forward with repairing the bridge, or whether they were even planning on doing so at all.

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‘Our bridge is going to be for our train,’ says Watson
The mayor once again dismissed the idea of a private rail operator on the Prince of Wales Bridge.

By: Kieran Delamont, Metro
Published on Wed Sep 13 2017


The city is not interested in pursuing an arrangement that would see a third-party operate train service across the Prince of Wales Bridge.

A memo sent to council last week by John Manconi, general manager of transportation services, said that the city might be willing to work “in a co-ordinated and consultative manner” with an outside agency or organization to provide train service across the bridge.

Joseph Potvin, executive director of the MOOSE Consortium, who have been involved in discussions around train service across the bridge since 2011, said that the Consortium “looks forward to picking up that discussion again with the City of Ottawa.”

In 2013, MOOSE wrote to the city and proposed to repair to the bridge — which the city now estimates will take three years — in exchange for the right to run trains on city-owned tracks.
Mayor Watson dismissed that idea again.

“Our focus is our own rail system,” he said. “I don’t think MOOSE has the experience, credibility, or financing to do what they want to do. … Our bridge is going to be for our train to go over to Gatineau.”

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I'm getting really annoyed with the fact that Watson keeps hinting at the possibility of taking the Otrain into Gatineau without any concrete discussion on the issue. Its really easy to pretend you're going to do something just because you want someone else to suffer.
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I'm getting really annoyed with the fact that Watson keeps hinting at the possibility of taking the Otrain into Gatineau without any concrete discussion on the issue. Its really easy to pretend you're going to do something just because you want someone else to suffer.
It's time for Watson to crap or get off the pot.

If he's not going to do something to extend the Otrain to Gatineau, get out of the way, and let someone with vision have a go.

What an utterly useless and visionless mayor this city has.
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Please remember that photo-op Jimbo has always been anti-train. He was forced to inherit the original 2001 O-Train (T-Line) and the 2005 PoW bridge, and actively did nothing with them, and worked actively against the C-Line until forced - forced - to accept it as his legacy project (in order to bury Chiarelli and O'Brien in the history books). He will now continue to do nothing with the bridge until it drops into the river as a rusted out hulk from sheer purposeful neglect, and be then 'required' to abandon that segment of line. But then, I'm paranoid.

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Not sure where to post this, so here it is;

The Mayor of Gatineau running for re-election wants light rail from Aylmer to Bayview.

http://www.lapresse.ca/le-droit/actu...vant-un-an.php
http://www.lapresse.ca/le-droit/actu...e-le-maire.php
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Not sure where to post this, so here it is;

The Mayor of Gatineau running for re-election wants light rail from Aylmer to Bayview.

http://www.lapresse.ca/le-droit/actu...vant-un-an.php
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One of the immediate cuts to the “transportation” budget is $25 million for dedicated bus lanes along Baseline Road, a project that’s getting pushed into 2020. Some fixes to the Prince of Wales Bridge across the Ottawa River are postponed beyond the planning horizon, too.
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Transportation agency orders city to restore rail line
City contemplating judicial review of Canadian Transportation Agency order

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Posted: Feb 16, 2018 7:22 PM ET Last Updated: Feb 16, 2018 7:22 PM ET




City officials are considering asking for a judicial review after a federal agency ordered them to restore a portion of rail line leading to the Prince of Wales Bridge or move to permanently discontinue it.

The Canadian Transportation Agency released a decision Friday, which would force the city to either close the line or restore it to a state where it could be re-opened to rail traffic within 12 months.

As part of light rail construction, the city removed a section of the line, running north of Bayview Station toward the bridge.

The CTA charges the city should have followed a formal discontinuance process before simply removing the line from service. According to the Canadian Transportation Act, when an owner wants to discontinue a line they must first offer it up for sale and negotiate in good faith with any potential buyers.

Moose Consortium Inc., a group that has had ambitions of offering rail services to outlying communities in Quebec and Ontario filed the initial complaint with the agency in 2016, highlighting that the rail had been removed and a permanent structure built on top of it. The CTA requires rail line owners to notify them if they plan to discontinue a rail line, which the city had not done.

The city responded to an earlier judgment from the CTA by indicating they could restore the connection within two years and the Prince of Wales Bridge within three years. The CTA asked for expedited time frames for that restoration, which last fall the city declined to provide. Instead, according to the CTA's judgment released on Friday, the city accused the agency of overreach.

"The city added that it was of the view that the agency did not have the proper jurisdiction and was exceeding its statutory authority," reads the judgment.

In a memo to councillors, the city's solicitor Rick O'Connor said they were reviewing the decision because the costs to restoring the line would be significant.

"That review is intended to inform a recommendation as to the next steps to be taken in this matter, which may include a request for judicial review," he said.

Google map: Ripped up section of rail line

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Yeah, judicial review... Unelected agency overstepping it’s authority...

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