New Downtown Calgary Arena

[rotten42]

I was just thinking that this new arena development was a good thing in that it brought some life into this section of the forum.....but then suburbia showed up....where's the Advil?

[SteveP]

Originally Posted by rotten42

I was just thinking that this new arena development was a good thing in that it brought some life into this section of the forum.....but then suburbia showed up....where's the Advil?

Not just him, it's any of the morons who keep arguing that no taxpayer money should be spent on an arena, but are happy to throw money at Music centres, or libraries, etc..

Those people use the argument that this is different because this is privately owned, and yes technically it, but in the grand scheme of things it's really no different. Because the city doesn't own it, they aren't on the hook for maintenance, or it being a depreciating asset. And by the way just because the music centre and library aren't privately owned, doesn't mean the taxpayers have any more ownership of it then they do the arena.

[Socguy]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

More like 5th fiddle. The Sounders and the Mariners would be miles in front of an NHL franchise.

I bet NHL wouldn't average 10k in Seattle without severe ticket discounts.

I stand corrected!

[905er]

Gary Betman is trying to destroy hockey in Canada as we know. He always has been. Man needs to be stopped before the only NHL teams based in Canada are Toronto and Montreal. If he had it his way it would be an all American league. Hate the fucker.

[Northern]

Originally Posted by 905er

Gary Betman is trying to destroy hockey in Canada as we know. He always has been. Man needs to be stopped before the only NHL teams based in Canada are Toronto and Montreal. If he had it his way it would be an all American league. Hate the fucker.

Hey bud, the sign up desk for ISIS is that way->

It's all politics and posturing, no need to go postal. Have a drink and chill.

[rotten42]

Originally Posted by Northern

Hey bud, the sign up desk for ISIS is that way->

It's all politics and posturing, no need to go postal. Have a drink and chill.

hahaha no shit.....and the Twin Towers was all a conspiracy set off by the US government.

[Fishthebow]

You can't compare a sports arena to a library or art gallery. One venue is for people to go drink beer and yell at the top of their lungs when a small rubber disk whizzes past a guy in oversized Halloween costume. The other two venues are for learning.

Originally Posted by SteveP

Not just him, it's any of the morons who keep arguing that no taxpayer money should be spent on an arena, but are happy to throw money at Music centres, or libraries, etc..

Those people use the argument that this is different because this is privately owned, and yes technically it, but in the grand scheme of things it's really no different. Because the city doesn't own it, they aren't on the hook for maintenance, or it being a depreciating asset. And by the way just because the music centre and library aren't privately owned, doesn't mean the taxpayers have any more ownership of it then they do the arena.

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by Fishthebow

You can't compare a sports arena to a library or art gallery. One venue is for people to go drink beer and yell at the top of their lungs when a small rubber disk whizzes past a guy in oversized Halloween costume. The other two venues are for learning.

Well said!

[Innersoul1]

Sometimes it's just too easy to call a bluff. The biggest shame in all of this is the tactics that the organization has resorted to. I think that if you are a fan or tax paying citizen you can plainly see that this is posturing and trying to pin the organization against the city merely stokes the fire and provides some interesting click-bait.

Nenshi represents the tax payers and is bolstering his platform. Let's be clear, he has taken a hard line on this one and at times his hardball is a bit irritating. He has shown that he won't be bullied. But he also comes across as unwilling to waver in his stance even when the city is working with the team.

Ken King is making a name for himself as being plain old irritating as hell. The team has played a bluff here and pulled out all of the stops. Get Bettmen in town (when is this a strategy? Just hearing this guy's voice pisses me off) to represent the owners and paint the situation as dire. Use Eric Francis as the puppet that he is. I am not sure if any of you heard him on the Fan960 yesterday but talk about a guy who is out there to represent the Flames and their cause. It's not unbiased media, he was wholeheartedly trying to make arguments against the city, against Nenshi with next to no balance.

Does this city need a new arena? Sure. But as some of you have pointed out comparing Calgary's need to Edmonton's is apples to oranges. As the "negotiations" continue, because this move by the Flames is clearly a negotiation tactic, the Flames have now moved into the position where we have the oldest and most horrible arena in the league. Be that as it may, this is a hockey city. This ownership group would be shooting themselves in the foot along with all of their philathropic causes in this city if they took the position where they would move the team. Besides, the success and support of this team, in this city would be reason enough for any ownership group with money to bring a team right back here.

But that won't happen and we won't get there. This is just a bluff and hopefully we have all seen right through it.

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by SteveP

So what's the deal Suburbia, you're going to fill the thread with quotes from people on the internet that agree with your point of view? Do you really care about this, or is it because they are attacking Nenshi?

Steve - I think when credible national media organizations make statements, that needs to be acknowledged and has much more weight than say folks who are fully biased as they stand to cash in a massive paycheck at the expense of the common person. The facts are important, and the coverage in the Globe and Mail and MacLean's has been fact based.

I think it is a real shame that the Flames pushers are advocating increasing taxes so that the entertainment group can make more money. This is the real dilemma for the cons. Are you really about reducing taxes or simply allowing the rich to make maximum money even at the expense of the average citizen. Basically the request from Ken King is for every Calgary tax payer to write a $500 cheque to Murray Edwards. Maybe Edwards should request a contribution from the public coffers in the UK?

[esquire]

Originally Posted by SteveP

Not just him, it's any of the morons who keep arguing that no taxpayer money should be spent on an arena, but are happy to throw money at Music centres, or libraries, etc..

This is so absurd I don't even know where to begin. What public good comes out of pouring hundreds of millions of dollars so that a bunch of upper middle class men can spend $150 a pop to sit there drinking beer and watching hockey?

If the Flames want to be compared to music centres and libraries, first let them start charging what those places charge their patrons. It is an insult to citizens to have them all chip in money for a highly profitable entertainment facility that only a small portion of the population can afford to use.

Those people use the argument that this is different because this is privately owned, and yes technically it, but in the grand scheme of things it's really no different. Because the city doesn't own it, they aren't on the hook for maintenance, or it being a depreciating asset. And by the way just because the music centre and library aren't privately owned, doesn't mean the taxpayers have any more ownership of it then they do the arena.

At the end of the day these subsidized arena deals are always about having government take on the cost, and the private entities take on the profit. Otherwise they wouldn't exist.

[DizzyEdge]

Originally Posted by SteveP

Not just him, it's any of the morons who keep arguing that no taxpayer money should be spent on an arena, but are happy to throw money at Music centres, or libraries, etc..

Those people use the argument that this is different because this is privately owned, and yes technically it, but in the grand scheme of things it's really no different. Because the city doesn't own it, they aren't on the hook for maintenance, or it being a depreciating asset. And by the way just because the music centre and library aren't privately owned, doesn't mean the taxpayers have any more ownership of it then they do the arena.

Um, the difference is with a music centre or library they are or essentially are non-profit, the money spent is just enough to provide the service. With the area the taxpayer money spent is to make private individuals millions.

[Socguy]

I'm going to vote for Nenshi again just so I can watch Ken K tuck tail between his legs and slink back to the table to try to salvage something from this debacle.

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by Socguy

I'm going to vote for Nenshi again just so I can watch Ken K tuck tail between his legs and slink back to the table to try to salvage something from this debacle.

Here here!

[patm]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

More like 5th fiddle. The Sounders and the Mariners would be miles in front of an NHL franchise.

I bet NHL wouldn't average 10k in Seattle without severe ticket discounts.

Seattle would probably support them well. They support all of their teams well.

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by patm

Seattle would probably support them well. They support all of their teams well.

That's what I think. Isn't the main reason the Super Sonics left is because Key Arena sucks compared to most (all?) other NBA arenas? The Flames need to sell a new arena based on being competitive with other teams and on all of the non-sports events were missing out on. It's not the number of seats that matters it's the revenue per seat. Does anyone know the number for the Saddledome for all events and for just the Flames?

[rotten42]

Originally Posted by Socguy

I'm going to vote for Nenshi again just so I can watch Ken K tuck tail between his legs and slink back to the table to try to salvage something from this debacle.

Yes...and ignore all the other civic issues when considering your vote. :babyeat:

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by rotten42

Yes...and ignore all the other civic issues when considering your vote. :babyeat:

I'm starting to wonder if this wasn't a very calculated move on the part of Nenshi's campaign team. They know that this is a trigger issue for their base and probably a fair chunk of the people who supported him in 2013. They also probably know that there is a real possibility a lot of people who voted for him last election will stay at home this time or possibly vote for someone else. People need to keep the order of events straight--Nenshi made the first move not the Flames.

[Northern]

Originally Posted by Fishthebow

You can't compare a sports arena to a library or art gallery. One venue is for people to go drink beer and yell at the top of their lungs when a small rubber disk whizzes past a guy in oversized Halloween costume. The other two venues are for learning.

Originally Posted by suburbia

Well said!

What a stupid ass post. It's idiots like you two who helped get Trump elected.

[Chinook Arch]

While that may be true, I don't have a problem with my taxpayer dollars going to a new arena, and I couldn't care less which one is non-profit or for profit. I Myself will use a new arena more then a music centre or library, and my taxpayer dollars have gone to those venues already.

Originally Posted by DizzyEdge

Um, the difference is with a music centre or library they are or essentially are non-profit, the money spent is just enough to provide the service. With the area the taxpayer money spent is to make private individuals millions.