YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[nname]

Phillippine Airlines to convert MNL-YVR-YYZ into non-stop MNL-YYZ. Seems like the overall MNL-YVR service will reduce from 8-10x weekly to 7x weekly

Effective Dec 17

PR126 MNL1620 – 1200YVR x357 (.. continue to JFK)
PR116 MNL2115 – 1655YVR 3
PR116 MNL2145 – 1725YVR 5
PR116 MNL2200 – 1740YVR 7

PR117 YVR0010 – 0545+1MNL 46
PR117 YVR0025 – 0600+1MNL 1
PR127 YVR0410 – 0945+1MNL x146 (.. from JFK)

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

Taking an average of 2.5% annual growth for the next 30 years means the current 280,000 movements per year will increase to 573,000 aircraft movements per year by 2047.

That's a very optimistic projection. The reality is, in the last decade or two, aircraft movements haven't increased in a linear equation compared to passenger numbers. That trend will likely continue, as more Q100/300s are replaced by Q400s, and CRJ1/2s are replaced with CRJ7, CRJ9s and even CSeries. More long haul airlines will densify their aircraft as well. With all of these realities in mind, I would be surprised if YVR sees anything close to 570,000 movements in less than 50 years time.

Now, I am not saying YVR needs or doesn't need a third runway in the next 20, 30 years. Comparing every parallel runway airport to LHR is not accurate either. Just because LHR is stuck with 2 runways and is dealing with all the challenges that comes with that doesn't mean YVR should do the same.

The reality is, LHR is at peak capacity from 6am to 11h30pm. That is not the case at YVR. There are times during the day when there are little to no movements at the airport, and there are times where demand exceeds capacity. It's in this context that a third runway might be helpful.

Originally Posted by Nick

The appetite for crossing runway ops at major airports is diminishing fast.

Exactly. Here at YUL, you can kiss goodbye to 10-28. It's pretty much a taxiway now. Not a NavCan decision, but an ADM one.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by nname

Phillippine Airlines to convert MNL-YVR-YYZ into non-stop MNL-YYZ.

That is one long VFR route. 13,230 km.

Interesting to see if it lasts, and if JFK is next.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

Strange that it doesn't seem to have gone back to YYZ.

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Perhaps 4x week is a good balance for YYZ-LGW... enough to remain a thorn in the side of TS and WS without bleeding with a daily flight.

I suspect it has something to do with a new European route announcement at YUL this month.

[casper]

Originally Posted by nname

Phillippine Airlines to convert MNL-YVR-YYZ into non-stop MNL-YYZ. Seems like the overall MNL-YVR service will reduce from 8-10x weekly to 7x weekly

Effective Dec 17

PR126 MNL1620 – 1200YVR x357 (.. continue to JFK)
PR116 MNL2115 – 1655YVR 3
PR116 MNL2145 – 1725YVR 5
PR116 MNL2200 – 1740YVR 7

PR117 YVR0010 – 0545+1MNL 46
PR117 YVR0025 – 0600+1MNL 1
PR127 YVR0410 – 0945+1MNL x146 (.. from JFK)

What would be nice is if they added a tag-on flight to MIA.

They could not sell tickets between YVR-YYZ. They can on the JFK flight and would be able to on the MIA flight.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by casper

What would be nice is if they added a tag-on flight to MIA.

They could not sell tickets between YVR-YYZ. They can on the JFK flight and would be able to on the MIA flight.

They can operate 2 MNL-Canada-U.S routes, with a max of 4 weekly flights each, max 50% of aircraft seats sold between Canada-U.S.

So theoretically, yes, they can launch MNL-YVR-MIA, max 4 weekly.

However, YVR-MIA is nowhere near as large as YVR-NYC. Meaning the plane will be full of florida-MNL traffic. Very low yielding.

[casper]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

They can operate 2 MNL-Canada-U.S routes, with a max of 4 weekly flights each, max 50% of aircraft seats sold between Canada-U.S.

So theoretically, yes, they can launch MNL-YVR-MIA, max 4 weekly.

However, YVR-MIA is nowhere near as large as YVR-NYC. Meaning the plane will be full of florida-MNL traffic. Very low yielding.

I would not be surprised if they can pick up some corporate contracts from the cruse ship industry given the number of workers who rotate onto the ships out of the Philippines. However probably all economy and looking for the best price possible.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by casper

I would not be surprised if they can pick up some corporate contracts from the cruse ship industry given the number of workers who rotate onto the ships out of the Philippines. However probably all economy and looking for the best price possible.

Manila is Miami's largest market in East Asia. It certainly is a possibility.

I personally think MIA will get a non-stop to NRT by a Japanese carrier in the next year or two, before any MNL-YVR-MIA service.

At some point, PAL will operate MNL-JFK non stop, when they get enough A359s. I wouldn't be surprised to see their YVR-JFK tag disappear as well.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Manila is Miami's largest market in East Asia. It certainly is a possibility.

I personally think MIA will get a non-stop to NRT by a Japanese carrier in the next year or two, before any MNL-YVR-MIA service.

At some point, PAL will operate MNL-JFK non stop, when they get enough A359s. I wouldn't be surprised to see their YVR-JFK tag disappear as well.

Too bad the possibility of YVR losing its "North American Landing Pad" position with ultra-long flights, despite the new super long range jets. Will YYZ ever get Australia and NZ nonstop, too?

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Will YYZ ever get Australia and NZ nonstop, too?

YYZ-SYD is still almost 2,000 km longer than MNL-JFK.
It is 1,000 km longer than the upcoming PER-LHR, which is still doubtful as being a profitable route.
....
So no.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

YYZ-SYD is still almost 2,000 km longer than MNL-JFK.
It is 1,000 km longer than the upcoming PER-LHR, which is still doubtful as being a profitable route.
....
So no.

What a relief!!! Thanks. Nice to know we have some routes exclusive to YVR.

[nname]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

YYZ-SYD is still almost 2,000 km longer than MNL-JFK.
It is 1,000 km longer than the upcoming PER-LHR, which is still doubtful as being a profitable route.
....
So no.

Unless AC/QF order A350ULR, I don't think YYZ-SYD is even possible...

[whatnext]

Anyone know what's going on at the overflow lot that YVR installed in a panic after Macarthur Glen opened, and then was barely used? It's all being dug up.

[nname]

Flair Airlines (formerly NewLeaf) announces 4x weekly YVR-YEG starting Dec 15.

http://globalnews.ca/news/3734355/flair-...elowna-names-edmonton-main-transfer-hub/

[nname]

http://www.aviationpros.com/press_release/12366802/flair-airlines-announces-expansion

If I understand this correctly, there will be 2 routes between Kelowna and Toronto, with one of them stop in Vancouver:

4x weekly YLW-YVR-YEG-YYZ
3x weekly YLW-YEG-YYZ

[casper]

Originally Posted by nname

http://www.aviationpros.com/press_release/12366802/flair-airlines-announces-expansion

If I understand this correctly, there will be 2 routes between Kelowna and Toronto, with one of them stop in Vancouver:

4x weekly YLW-YVR-YEG-YYZ
3x weekly YLW-YEG-YYZ

Makes sense, Flair is based out of Kelowna. The Kelowna to Vancouver segment is probably to position the aircraft and crew.

Reminds me of the old days when I lived in Saskatoon. WestJet back then had a daily flight: YXU-YWG-YXE-YYC-YVR-YXS. Sometimes I would to the flight as YXE-YXE other times as YXE-YVR and others times as YXE-YWG or YXE-YYC. The joys of milk runs.

[nname]

Originally Posted by nname

http://www.aviationpros.com/press_release/12366802/flair-airlines-announces-expansion

If I understand this correctly, there will be 2 routes between Kelowna and Toronto, with one of them stop in Vancouver:

4x weekly YLW-YVR-YEG-YYZ
3x weekly YLW-YEG-YYZ

Schedule:

F8310 YLW 1330 - 1411 YVR 1500 - 1729 YEG 1815 - 2353 YYZ x246
F8311 YYZ 0730 - 0934 YEG 1030 - 1102 YVR 1150 - 1233 YLW x246

F8840 YVR 1420 - 1649 YEG 2
F8841 YEG 1250 - 1322 YVR 2


Interestingly enough, their YYZ-YEG-YLW route will also be using the F8310/311 number...

Originally Posted by casper

Makes sense, Flair is based out of Kelowna. The Kelowna to Vancouver segment is probably to position the aircraft and crew.

Based on the schedule above, seems like the aircraft will be based at YYZ and YEG... as it would spend only 57min at their YLW home

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Anyone know what's going on at the overflow lot that YVR installed in a panic after Macarthur Glen opened, and then was barely used? It's all being dug up.

I was also wondering the same while visiting YVR yesterday. Lots of action on the site right now. Perhaps building the office park is getting started? I never saw any cars on those parking lots, so they were a waste of money. Anything going up there will be an improvement.

[Klazu]

Going back to the 4th runway...

How is building the new runway to the south being the cheaper option that building the foreshore runway? They will have to demolish the whole south terminal and all buildings around it vs. fill in the shallow bay and pave it over. I don't get it.

I have also wondered how would the new north-south taxiway be implemented? They would have to place both the road and Canada Line underground to accommodate for planes moving across. Strange that such wasn't considered when Canada Line was built not-so-long-ago. Another lack of foresight that is so common in Metro Vancouver.

Considering how much Richmond benefits from YVR being on their soil, one would think they understand the benefits of letting the airport grow. Building generic condos is just temporary income for the city vs. a global hub.

[osirisboy]

Canada line did take the north south taxiway into account. That's why that section is not elevated