Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 5 - Page 45

wrendog · #**881** Posted **Sep 8, 2017, 8:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by ctobsl

Here are the cities that match Amazon's wish list for its second headquarters

Salt Lake is on the bottom of the list.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/07/here-are...sh-list-for-its-second-headquarters.html

Looks like airport rankings were just based on number of passengers. I don't think that really matters at all. There are lots of other factors too (on time, distance from downtown, etc.).

Also, how are they ranking universities? That seems silly too. San Antonio gets on the list at 20 and Austin isn't even rated? San Antonio does not have good/well known universities.

That was not a good way to get all criteria rated.

ctobsl · #**882** Posted **Sep 8, 2017, 8:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by Jiffy

That list has something funky to it. I think both Denver and Salt Lake should both be much higher on that list, I think someone has let personal feelings get involved with this list.

Well something is definitely wrong with that list, we don't even have an airport according to them...

Liberty Wellsian · #**883** Posted **Sep 8, 2017, 9:10 PM**

I was curious how SLC compared to Denver in terms of raw numbers of young people. So I selected counties(I selected more in colorado)and added the number of 25-29 year olds. let me know if I made a mistake.

25-29 year olds by county
Denver 32,247
Arapahoe 21,084
Adams 17,783
Broomfield 1,911
Boulder 10,548
Weld 8,405
Jefferson 16,787
Total 108,765

SLC 45,497
Utah 24,508
Davis 11,374
Weber 9,701
Total 91,080

Source
https://suburbanstats.org/population/colorado/list-of-counties-and-cities-in-colorado
https://suburbanstats.org/population/utah/list-of-counties-and-cities-in-utah

Old&New · #**884** Posted **Sep 8, 2017, 9:11 PM**

https://qz.com/1072233/cities-across-nor...-of-amazons-next-corporate-headquarters/

Where is SLC?!

Where is the LDS church (10 acre block on 400 S. and Main Street)?
How about a mixed-use Amazon campus as a south anchor for Main Street?

arkhitektor · #**885** Posted **Sep 8, 2017, 9:15 PM**

Just curious as a matter of comparison, is there any data on the total # of employees the LDS church has on their downtown campus? Or how many SF of space?

Loyoung · #**886** Posted **Sep 8, 2017, 9:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by Liberty Wellsian

I was curious how SLC compared to Denver in terms of raw numbers of young people. So I selected counties(I selected more in colorado)and added the number of 25-29 year olds. let me know if I made a mistake.

25-29 year olds by county
Denver 32,247
Arapahoe 21,084
Adams 17,783
Broomfield 1,911
Boulder 10,548
Weld 8,405
Jefferson 16,787
Total 108,765

SLC 45,497
Utah 24,508
Davis 11,374
Weber 9,701
Total 91,080

Source
https://suburbanstats.org/population/colorado/list-of-counties-and-cities-in-colorado
https://suburbanstats.org/population/utah/list-of-counties-and-cities-in-utah

if you use census data, the totals are much different.

Comrade · #**887** Posted **Sep 8, 2017, 9:59 PM**

Oh boy. Just saw Val Hale is the Executive Director of Governor’s Office of Economic Development. He's the former AD of BYU. He was raised in Orem. Attended BYU. Worked for the Provo Daily Herald and then later UVU. He's essentially Utah County to the core.

If he's in charge of pushing a bid, Salt Lake has no chance.

wrendog · #**888** Posted **Sep 8, 2017, 10:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by Comrade

Oh boy. Just saw Val Hale is the Executive Director of Governor’s Office of Economic Development. He's the former AD of BYU. He was raised in Orem. Attended BYU. Worked for the Provo Daily Herald and then later UVU. He's essentially Utah County to the core.

If he's in charge of pushing a bid, Salt Lake has no chance.

LOL. The odds of SLC getting Amazon is about .003%. Putting extra blame on Val Hale might make you feel good, but that certainly won't be the reason SLC doesn't get Amazon.

Liberty Wellsian · #**889** Posted **Sep 8, 2017, 10:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by Loyoung

if you use census data, the totals are much different.

According to that site(bottom of page)

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Content provided by the US Census bureau for the years 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015, 2016.

Do you have a link that provides contradictory data? I want to be accurate.

Makid · #**890** Posted **Sep 8, 2017, 11:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by arkhitektor

Just curious as a matter of comparison, is there any data on the total # of employees the LDS church has on their downtown campus? Or how many SF of space?

I asked about 10 years ago and was told the following:

Sq ft 1.2 Million Sq Ft in the COB. This may include spaces in the 3 underground levels (not parking).

Employees and Volunteers on the COB block alone was nearly 10,000.

At all sites around downtown it was close to 15,000 employees/volunteers.

The counts may have increased or decreased as the campus has expanded as well as some employees being moved to other locations to open space for other departments.

Volunteers include the elder missionaries not the young ones.

Comrade · #**891** Posted **Sep 8, 2017, 11:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by wrendog

LOL. The odds of SLC getting Amazon is about .003%. Putting extra blame on Val Hale might make you feel good, but that certainly won't be the reason SLC doesn't get Amazon.

You're not following. Let me clarify:

It's my belief that the governor, and legislatures, will push to have their bid be located in the south portion of the valley, maybe even Utah County, over a more urban setting like Salt Lake City.

So, my point, which maybe I didn't articulate very well, is that because of all that, I doubt Salt Lake will even be part of the Utah bid, if they bid anyway. I didn't say anything in that message about Val Hale hurting Salt Lake's chances of landing Amazon - only hurting the prospects of the city getting a push from the state government to make a bid.

Comrade · #**892** Posted **Sep 8, 2017, 11:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by Liberty Wellsian

According to that site(bottom of page)

Do you have a link that provides contradictory data? I want to be accurate.

The numbers are provided through the American Community Survey, which the Census does handle - however, they're different than the decennial census, which is released every ten years. These are surveys to gauge the change in population between the years the Census releases their official numbers.

Ironweed · #**893** Posted **Sep 8, 2017, 11:24 PM**

[QUOTE=wrendog;7915330]2 Fortune 500 companies? SLC doesn't have any Fortune 500 companies right now, right?

Oh right...Goldman Sachs is a chump. C'mon Wrendog! Your smarter than that!

wrendog · #**894** Posted **Sep 8, 2017, 11:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by wrendog

2 Fortune 500 companies? SLC doesn't have any Fortune 500 companies right now, right?

Oh right...Goldman Sachs is a chump. C'mon Wrendog! Your smarter than that!

LOL. Wha? Goldman Sachs isn't headquartered in SLC

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Originally Posted by Comrade

You're not following. Let me clarify:

It's my belief that the governor, and legislatures, will push to have their bid be located in the south portion of the valley, maybe even Utah County, over a more urban setting like Salt Lake City.

So, my point, which maybe I didn't articulate very well, is that because of all that, I doubt Salt Lake will even be part of the Utah bid, if they bid anyway. I didn't say anything in that message about Val Hale hurting Salt Lake's chances of landing Amazon - only hurting the prospects of the city getting a push from the state government to make a bid.

Gotcha. Makes sense.

Liberty Wellsian · #**895** Posted **Sep 8, 2017, 11:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by Comrade

The numbers are provided through the American Community Survey, which the Census does handle - however, they're different than the decennial census, which is released every ten years. These are surveys to gauge the change in population between the years the Census releases their official numbers.

I just realized that I was only counting males. oops (maybe I'll fix later)

I actually can't find 2010 US census by county that breaks age down in detail.

Always Sunny in SLC · #**896** Posted **Sep 8, 2017, 11:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by Comrade

You're not following. Let me clarify:

It's my belief that the governor, and legislatures, will push to have their bid be located in the south portion of the valley, maybe even Utah County, over a more urban setting like Salt Lake City.

So, my point, which maybe I didn't articulate very well, is that because of all that, I doubt Salt Lake will even be part of the Utah bid, if they bid anyway. I didn't say anything in that message about Val Hale hurting Salt Lake's chances of landing Amazon - only hurting the prospects of the city getting a push from the state government to make a bid.

Amazon specifically is targeting mayors and directors of econ dev. orgs. on this RFP, so I would expect that any push from Utah would be led out by the mayors of the respective cities. Regrettably there is nothing on SLC Mayor's Twitter regarding Amazon. To be fair, nothing from Draper's Mayor either... or at least that I could find because I couldn't find a Twitter account for him.

Comrade · #**897** Posted **Sep 8, 2017, 11:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by Always Sunny in SLC

Amazon specifically is targeting mayors and directors of econ dev. orgs. on this RFP, so I would expect that any push from Utah would be led out by the mayors of the respective cities. Regrettably there is nothing on SLC Mayor's Twitter regarding Amazon. To be fair, nothing from Draper's Mayor either... or at least that I could find because I couldn't find a Twitter account for him.

I was only going by the Trib article that specifically quoted Val Hale about the prospects of the state pushing. We'll see, though.

Ironweed · #**898** Posted **Sep 8, 2017, 11:52 PM**

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"LOL. Wha? Goldman Sachs isn't headquartered in SLC"

Goldman has its headquarters still in NY, but Salt Lake has their second largest headquarters worldwide in downtown. Amazon could be similar.

Reading the comments of others are accurate, yet discouraging at the same time. SLC is always on the verge, but it continues to sputter along. I agree that politics, culture, and adequate foresight are the main culprits of a underutilized, underdeveloped downtown.

wrendog · #**899** Posted **Sep 8, 2017, 11:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by Ironweed

"LOL. Wha? Goldman Sachs isn't headquartered in SLC"

Goldman has its headquarters still in NY, but Salt Lake has their second largest headquarters worldwide in downtown. Amazon could be similar.

Yes. Goldman has a good presence in SLC, but in no way does it count for SLC headquartering a F500 company

Utah_Dave · #**900** Posted **Sep 9, 2017, 12:04 AM**

This Amazon thing, although a long shot, could be a good dry run and a catylist for our government to put together a marketing package to entice future companies. They also might as well snag some of our homegrown companies while they are at it instead of Lehi always being the default area of development. I see all sorts of potential but luckily we can fall back on our steady growth and budding tech sector. We just need a home grown tech company to grow into a unicorn and set up shop down town. This is probably our best bet going forward.