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Old Posted Sep 8, 2017, 8:41 PM
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^ but this would replace, for example, the loss of motorola and other tech companies formerly headquartered in Chicago. Many cities are net losers to the bay area and overseas when it comes to grade-A tech jobs.

same goes for Nortel/RIM in Toronto, or AOL/Worldcom in DC.
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I don't think there's any city in the country that checks every single little box. It's gonna come down to the best deal they can get and most likely in a large and affordable city that can handle the campus. And I'm sure they're going to avoid all possible areas with natural disasters severe enough to threaten the company.
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The way I read the RFP, it's going to be hard for a lot of cities being mentioned to meet the demands and needs of Amazon HQ2. They're asking for so much, a city just simply needs this stuff in place already.

Here are some requirements and preferences from the RFQ:
-An urban or downtown campus
-A similar layout to Amazon’s Seattle campus
-A development-prepped site. We want to encourage states/provinces and communities to think creatively for viable real estate options, while not negatively affecting our preferred timeline

Building sites:
- Amazon is considering greenfield sites, infill sites, existing buildings, or a combination for the Project. If existing buildings are available that can be retrofitted/expanded within an acceptable budget and time schedule, Amazon may consider this option; however, the company acknowledges that existing buildings may not be available to meet its requirements. As such, Amazon will prioritize certified or shovel-ready greenfield sites and infill opportunities with appropriate infrastructure and ability to meet the Project’s timeline and development demands, as set forth below.
1. Existing buildings of at least 500,000+ sq. ft., meeting the core requirements described above and that are expandable or have additional options for developmentnearby.
2. A greenfield site of approximately 100 acres certified or pad ready, with utility infrastructure in place. The sites do not have to be contiguous, but should be in proximity to each other to foster a sense of place and be pedestrian-friendly.
3. Other infill, existing buildings, including opportunities for renovation/redevelopment and greenfield sites, meeting the proximity and logistics requirements of the Project. This can also be a combination of the above.
4. Please also consider the overall proximity of the buildings at full build-out as you are making recommendations.

Campus/site explanation:
At full build-out, the campus or park may exceed 8 million square feet and over $5 billion in total capital investment. Amazon will continue to invest in its facilities to ensure we offer a state-of-the-art workplace for our employees. States, provinces and metro economic development organizations should consider this as they suggest potential sites. Be
sure to include opportunities to cultivate local culture and creativity into the Amazon HQ2 site. Also, include connectivity options: sidewalks, bike lanes, trams, metro, bus, light rail, train, and additional creative options to foster connectivity between buildings/facilities.

Key Preferences and Decision Drivers
Labor Force – The Project includes significant employment requirements at the threshold compensation levels described herein and with corresponding educational attainment of the available workforce. The Project must be sufficiently close to a significant population center, such that it can fill the 50,000 estimated jobs that will be required over multiple years. A highly educated labor pool is critical and a strong university system is required.

Logistics – Personnel travel and logistics needs, both from population centers to the Project site, as well as between company facilities, are critically important. As such, travel time to a major highway corridor and arterial roadway capacity potential are key factors. The highway corridors must provide direct access to significant population centers with eligible employment pools. Travel time to an international airport with daily direct flights to Seattle, New York, San Francisco/Bay Area, and Washington, D.C. is also an important consideration.

Time to Operations – The Project requires an expeditious timetable for the location decision and the commencement of construction. Given this, sites with the requisite access, utility infrastructure, and zoning are critical. Please outline the permitting process and estimated timetable to initiate Phase I of our operations.

Cultural Community Fit – The Project requires a compatible cultural and community environment for its long-term success. This includes the presence and support of a diverse population, excellent institutions of higher education, local government structure and elected officials eager and willing to work with the company, among other attributes. A stable and consistent business climate is important to Amazon. Please demonstrate characteristics of this in your response. We encourage testimonials from other large companies.

Community/Quality of Life – The Project requires a significant number of employees. We want to invest in a community where our employees will enjoy living, recreational opportunities, educational opportunities, and an overall high quality of life. Tell us what is unique about your community.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2017, 8:45 PM
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I think the cities that do check all of these boxes are Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, Atlanta and Dallas.

I just don't feel as if LA, NYC, DC, Miami or Houston are under consideration.
     
     
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thats not how it tends to work though. the young tech talent they are courting by and large wants to live in the city, hence why i assume they are looking at urban locations. and those people tend to want to all live in the same hip neighborhoods. they are not going to be commuting in from Fox River Grove. but you can be sure that if you are not at these income levels, theres a pretty good chance you'll find yourself on that train sooner rather than later. i can tell you without hesitation that vintage $1k apartment i have less than 2 blocks from the lake that i love dearly would cease to exist overnight.
Depending where they site (presuming OPO/Union Station) I'm thinking that the Gold Coast won't see a giant impact. West Loop/Loop/South Loop/River North and the Milwaukee corridor wold be even more en fuego for residential developers though I'd guess. Also could tip the city into rezoning the whole area between congress and roosevelt into mixed use. Lend Lease-CMK/Related would certainly shove up their timetables and pour thousands of units into the market in sufficient time to start absorbing.

In short this is doable without it being the end of the world or anything close.
     
     
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oh please, chicago is over 227 square fucking miles, many of which are currently dangerously under-populated. we are not some small cute little boutique city with only 6 sq. miles of actual urbanism.

absolutely no one will get pushed out of chicago if amazon offers 50,000 new good-paying jobs here. sure, some may get priced out of lakeview or wicker park or whatever yuppie ghetto, but there's a vast, VAST city out there full of neighborhoods that are currently dying.
again, i think you are seriously underestimating the impact this will have. as i said, talk to someone who lived through the transformation of Seattle from the late 90s til present day and get their thoughts on the changes...i can assure you they wont be positive. or look at the transformation of SF or London from previously egalitarian cities to wealth ghettos, and i can assure you the same can happen here.
     
     
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They should give it to a struggling city IMO. That would be the "right" thing to do. I vote Sacramento or the bay area because I'm greedy. Sacramento would have room in the Downtown railyards or other redevelopment areas that are near downtown. Maybe Stockton. Lots of options there
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It depends on the size of the city they choose. If they choose NY or Chicago it's going to have less of an impact, because those cities are already big. If they chose, say, Columbus, it would be a huge impact.
     
     
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again, i think you are seriously underestimating the impact this will have. as i said, talk to someone who lived through the transformation of Seattle from the late 90s til present day and get their thoughts on the changes...i can assure you they wont be positive. or look at the transformation of SF or London from previously egalitarian cities to wealth ghettos, and i can assure you the same can happen here.
In the case of SF, where I lived for two years recently, the limited land available and near thermonuclear hot opposition the longtime residents have to bumping density along with the ready tools to hang developments up have created a housing disaster a good long while in the making. The tech boom just made it a ton worse.
     
     
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again, i think you are seriously underestimating the impact this will have.
given the size of chicago, i really don't think i am.

so many parts of chicago are dying or treading water at the moment.

being gifted 50,000 good-paying jobs is just about the last freaking thing in the entire world that chicago should be worried about.
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yes, chicago is big. does that mean you are excited to be pushed to its fringes and to see displacement of other vulnerable populations in between?
     
     
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yes, chicago is big. does that mean you are excited to be pushed to its fringes?
50,000 jobs over a number of years in a city of 2,700,000 and a metro of 9,500,000 won't push many to the fringes.
     
     
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does that mean you are excited to be pushed to its fringes?
as a property owner?

why, yes.

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(truth be told, i'm already on the fringes all the way up in edgewater, but we may have to push into the wild wild west)
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oh please, chicago is over 227 square fucking miles, many of which are currently dangerously under-populated. we are not some small cute little boutique city with only 6 sq. miles of actual urbanism.

absolutely no one will get pushed out of chicago if amazon offers 50,000 new good-paying jobs here. sure, some may get priced out of lakeview or wicker park or whatever yuppie ghetto, but there's a vast, VAST city out there full of neighborhoods that are currently dying and wasting away.
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It depends on the size of the city they choose. If they choose NY or Chicago it's going to have less of an impact, because those cities are already big. If they chose, say, Columbus, it would be a huge impact.
This. I think they have a couple of big logistic facilities in my country, but were they here in Paris, only few would even notice them. We're too big already. So I like better to see them over struggling areas like northern France.
     
     
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^ dude, Chicago topped out in 1950 with just under 1 million MORE people than live in the city today. That was before the city had annexed land in the northwest side, before we had expressways, and before downtown grew into a residential juggernaut.

If Amazon did add 50k employees in the city, all at once, and each one of those employees brought their spouse and child with them, the city would still have the bones for another 750,000 people.
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I think the cities that do check all of these boxes are Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, Atlanta and Dallas.

I just don't feel as if LA, NYC, DC, Miami or Houston are under consideration.
Boston is an expensive city, so if NYC doesn't check the boxes, why would Boston be in the running?

Boston has the 3rd or 4th highest rents in the U.S.
     
     
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I wonder how many pages this thread is gonna be before they decide?
     
     
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Boston is an expensive city, so if NYC doesn't check the boxes, why would Boston be in the running?

Boston has the 3rd or 4th highest rents in the U.S.
Just saying it could be a top 5. Obviously, 4 cities would have to be eliminated from that.

Boston would likely be eliminated for its cost.

Dallas would be eliminated for it's weaker transit infrastructure and walkability, and it's lack of connectivity to top talent universities compared to the others.

That would leave Chicago, Atlanta and Philadelphia. All of which, I think have a strong case. All offer transit options, international airports, development ready sites next to transit within a Downtown/urban environment, easy and readily available access to top tier universities, etc.
     
     
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Bezos might say 'fuck it' and set up shop over in nearby Yakima. Just to throw everyone off their game. Take that SSP speculators!
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