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Old Posted Sep 8, 2017, 7:16 PM
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The nice thing is that even though this is a Drexel/Brandywine plan, they've touted Schuylkill Yards as a "knowledge neighborhood" that includes Penn, Chop, and all the other University City players. So I don't think any partnerships or benefits would have to be limited to just Drexel.
Yes but isn't the land owned by Drexel? If so shouldn't they stand to benefit the most if they decide to sell? Why sell if they dont get some sort of preferential treatment. Not saying lock the others out just a nice vig.
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2017, 7:29 PM
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I can see Drexel being flexible with the land that it owns. They can gain a lot from having Amazon in their backyard. I can see collaboration, partnerships, internships, and other things where both the school and Amazon could benefits in terms of technology development and enhancements which can then be turn into $$$ for them. There will be many possibilities among all the stakeholders that help to bring Amazon to Philly. This is a win-win situation no matter how you look at it. Yes, it will drive housing prices up and other costs, but that a natural process when you have higher wages and you make the area more desirable to live, work, and play.
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2017, 7:30 PM
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Pointing her finger in the opposite direction Thursday was Seattle’s socialist council member, Kshama Sawant.

“Amazon’s quest for a second massive corporate base is reminiscent of Boeing’s ongoing efforts to ship jobs out of the Seattle area and hold us hostage,” Sawant said.

Moon, the mayoral candidate, said she’s confident Seattle will continue to be a tech-sector leader. But Moon said she wouldn’t give the company goodies to keep it loyal.

“I’m not interested in playing that game if Amazon isn’t serious about helping to pay for the impacts of their rapid growth on our city,” she said.


Isn't this exactly what Philly did to drive away all of its business. The more things change...
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2017, 7:31 PM
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Good Article..http://www.seattletimes.com/business/amazon/amazons-second-headquarters-expect-the-unexpected/

But read the comments. The liberal city govt was actually trying to blame Amazon for many of the city's ills..from high housing & cost of living to homeless. I think a red state has the early advantage.
I don't get this article. The president has said mean things about Amazon, so they're going to pick a "red" state to keep him off their backs? That's just dumb.

Anyway, I'm starting to get pissed off at all of these articles saying that Pittsburgh is a good candidate while Philadelphia doesn't even get mentioned. It makes no sense to me.
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2017, 7:32 PM
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From what I've read about this, it almost sounds as though Amazon had Schuylkill Yards in mind when they set out their requirements. We check just about every box. I don't know of any other city that has planned and is beginning all the procedural steps toward building an 8 million sf development that is essentially speculative. In my mind, it's ours to lose.
The box that we don't check so well is the pro-business environment box. So they will be looking for tax breaks and other incentives, which if they don't get from Philly, they'll get from another city. Some people call that corporate welfare. I call that a symptom of a sickly system that needs to be overhauled so that the Amazons of the world don't need additional incentives to locate here. So let's do that. Let's throw out the entitled and small-minded city council members that obstruct development in the name of pandering to small pockets of people who keep them in office, or at the very least threaten to do so so that they will see which way the wind is blowing. Let's elect pro-development city council members who will rewrite the tax code of the city and do away with as many obstructions as possible. When Center City and University City do well, Philadelphia does well. A rising tide lifts all ships.
Tax Breaks; maybe we can reach out to the governor and mayor to offer them to Amazon. This idea seems good because it helps us do what we can while we can; while the proposal is relevant. Who can we lobby? Who is the most affect to increase the impact? I do believe buildings can get 25% if they use a Green Roof; so some Tax Breaks are existing.

Some people do call it Corporate Welfare but in the end it may pay off here; a major company making a major investment that can bring a ripple effect of dividends for the region.

On another issue; at some point increased business will justify airport upgrades with more business flights arriving and departing within a decade is enough buzz is generated. A larger airport or a second airport capable of the same load?
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2017, 7:42 PM
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Convince Comcast to purchase Amazon.
Or a merger, Amcast?
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Tax Breaks; maybe we can reach out to the governor and mayor to offer them to Amazon. This idea seems good because it helps us do what we can while we can; while the proposal is relevant. Who can we lobby? Who is the most affect to increase the impact? I do believe buildings can get 25% if they use a Green Roof; so some Tax Breaks are existing.

Some people do call it Corporate Welfare but in the end it may pay off here; a major company making a major investment that can bring a ripple effect of dividends for the region.

On another issue; at some point increased business will justify airport upgrades with more business flights arriving and departing within a decade is enough buzz is generated. A larger airport or a second airport capable of the same load?
The incentive package is going to be key. SY is great and all and Amazon may really dig it, but if the incentives just aren't there they will move along. As others have said, it is crazy that you have to offer these multi-billion dollar companies incentives, but money talks and Amazon initiated this as though there will be a bidding war.

PHL is just fine for a while. PHL is handling tens of thousands less flights a year than it did 10-15 years ago due to industry consolidation and less flights in favor of bigger planes
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2017, 8:21 PM
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Here are some requirements and preferences from the RFQ:

-Metropolitan areas with more than one million people
-A stable and business-friendly environment
-Urban or suburban locations with the potential to attract and retain strong technical talent
-Communities that think big and creatively when considering locations and real estate options
-An urban or downtown campus
-A similar layout to Amazon’s Seattle campus
-A development-prepped site. We want to encourage states/provinces and communities to think
creatively for viable real estate options, while not negatively affecting our preferred timeline

Building sites:
- Amazon is considering greenfield sites, infill sites, existing buildings, or a
combination for the Project. If existing buildings are available that can be retrofitted/expanded within an acceptable budget and time schedule, Amazon may consider this option; however, the company acknowledges that existing buildings may not be available to meet its requirements. As such, Amazon
will prioritize certified or shovel-ready greenfield sites and infill opportunities with appropriate infrastructure and ability to meet the Project’s timeline and development demands, as set forth below.
1. Existing buildings of at least 500,000+ sq. ft., meeting the core requirements described above and that are expandable or have additional options for developmentnearby.
2. A greenfield site of approximately 100 acres certified or pad ready, with utility infrastructure in place. The sites do not have to be contiguous, but should be in proximity to each other to foster a sense of place and be pedestrian-friendly.
3. Other infill, existing buildings, including opportunities for renovation/redevelopment and greenfield sites, meeting the proximity and logistics requirements of the Project. This can also be a combination of the above.
4. Please also consider the overall proximity of the buildings at full build-out as you are making recommendations.

Campus/site explanation:
At full build-out, the campus or park may exceed 8 million square feet and over $5 billion in total capital investment. Amazon will continue to invest in
its facilities to ensure we offer a state-of-the-art workplace for our employees. States, provinces and metro economic development organizations should consider this as they suggest potential sites. Be
sure to include opportunities to cultivate local culture and creativity into the Amazon HQ2 site. Also, include connectivity options: sidewalks, bike lanes, trams, metro, bus, light rail, train, and additional creative options to foster connectivity between buildings/facilities.

Key Preferences and Decision Drivers
Site/Building – As described herein, finding suitable buildings/sites is of paramount importance. Amazon HQ2 is a transformational Project, and we must ensure we have the best real estate options available whether this be a redevelopment opportunity, a partnership with the state, province, local government, or new buildings. All options are under consideration.

Capital and Operating Costs – A stable and business-friendly environment and tax structure will be high-priority considerations for the Project. Incentives offered by the state/province and local communities to offset initial capital outlay and ongoing operational costs will be significant factors in the decision-making process.

Incentives – Identify incentive programs available for the Project at the state/province and local levels. Outline the type of incentive (i.e. land, site preparation, tax credits/exemptions, relocation grants, workforce grants, utility incentives/grants, permitting, and fee reductions) and the amount.
The initial cost and ongoing cost of doing business are critical decision drivers.

Labor Force – The Project includes significant employment requirements at the threshold compensation levels described herein and with corresponding educational attainment of the available workforce. The Project must be sufficiently close to a significant population center, such that it can fill the 50,000 estimated jobs that will be required over multiple years. A highly educated labor pool is critical and a strong university system is required.

Logistics – Personnel travel and logistics needs, both from population centers to the Project site, as well as between company facilities, are critically important. As such, travel time to a major highway corridor and arterial roadway capacity potential are key factors. The highway corridors must provide direct access to significant population centers with eligible employment pools. Travel time to an international airport with daily direct flights to Seattle, New York, San Francisco/Bay Area, and Washington, D.C. is also an important consideration.

Time to Operations – The Project requires an expeditious timetable for the location decision and the commencement of construction. Given this, sites with the requisite access, utility infrastructure, and zoning are critical. Please outline the permitting process and estimated timetable to initiate Phase I of our operations.

Cultural Community Fit – The Project requires a compatible cultural and community environment for its long-term success. This includes the presence and support of a diverse population, excellent institutions of higher education, local government structure and elected officials eager and willing to work with the company, among other attributes. A stable and consistent business climate is important to Amazon. Please demonstrate characteristics of this in your response. We encourage testimonials from other large companies.

Community/Quality of Life – The Project requires a significant number of employees. We want to invest in a community where our employees will enjoy living, recreational opportunities, educational opportunities, and an overall high quality of life. Tell us what is unique about your community.
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2017, 8:23 PM
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^^The RFP is almost tailor made with Schuylkill Yards/30th Street Station District in mind... it's pretty crazy how well these developments would meet, and exceed Amazon's needs.

It really is up to the incentive package here. Philadelphia really needs to offer everything. We need to understand it's going to cost us. The rewards are worth it though. Not just from Amazon, but everything this would bring along.
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2017, 10:23 PM
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Community/Quality of Life – The Project requires a significant number of employees. We want to invest in a community where our employees will enjoy living, recreational opportunities, educational opportunities, and an overall high quality of life. Tell us what is unique about your community.

Cultural Community Fit – The Project requires a compatible cultural and community environment for its long-term success. This includes the presence and support of a diverse population, excellent institutions of higher education, local government structure and elected officials eager and willing to work with the company, among other attributes. A stable and consistent business climate is important to Amazon. Please demonstrate characteristics of this in your response. We encourage testimonials from other large companies.

I think these are key to a successful Philadelphia pitch. Philadelphia has all the things you would be looking for in a city - restaurants, bars, parks, sports, cultural institutions, trails, universities, etc. And we have a wide reaching rail system that opens the five counties and NJ to employees looking for any variation of suburban lifestyle with easy commuting to downtown. And there is so much land available for rehab/redevelopment that there's no worry that even an Amazon size employer would make Philadelphia too expensive for regular folks to live in - which means lower payroll costs for Amazon as well as better quality of life for the employees.
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2017, 10:27 PM
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I just keep wondering. What is Amazon's real priority in doing this. Is it simply taxes? I hope that is not all they're looking to avoid. That is an old story now.
This is going to be a real nail-biter.

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Old Posted Sep 8, 2017, 10:39 PM
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I just keep wondering. What is Amazon's real priority in doing this. Is it simply taxes? I hope that is not all they're looking to avoid. That is an old story now.
Likely they feel that further expansion in Seattle is not possible. They employ more people there than Comcast and Penn do here combined. Affordability has become a real issue and they might be looking for a way to cut labor costs going forward. If this is the case it gives us a pretty solid edge over New York and Boston.
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........PHL is just fine for a while. PHL is handling tens of thousands less flights a year than it did 10-15 years ago due to industry consolidation and less flights in favor of bigger planes
But, it has significantly more flights to "International" and trans-continental destinations than it did 10 years ago and AA is expected to expand that over the next 2-3 years as JFK is downsized (for AA). In 2018, PHL will have more trans-Atlantic destinations than any other AA Hub.
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2017, 10:55 PM
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I just keep wondering. What is Amazon's real priority in doing this. Is it simply taxes? I hope that is not all they're looking to avoid. That is an old story now.

NBC had a article yesterday that claimed that Amazon has piled up over $700M in various and different types of aid packages put together by local and State governments. (can you imagine just keeping track of all that!) It seemed to be saying that these packages were for Amazon's warehouses and often done behind closed doors because if they needed a warehouse at a certain point on the map, some other point 300 miles away wasn't really a option. It was said that Amazon would play two or more local sites off against each other, looking for the best deal. Where with HQ2 search, in theory the winner could be just about anyplace.

I know nothing about running a huge business, but I hope that Amazon keeps their eyes open to what a location could give them, not just what a location helps them avoid. If they do that, and if they are running a truly open search, then I think Philly should be in the hunt.
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2017, 11:04 PM
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Likely they feel that further expansion in Seattle is not possible. They employ more people there than Comcast and Penn do here combined. Affordability has become a real issue and they might be looking for a way to cut labor costs going forward. If this is the case it gives us a pretty solid edge over New York and Boston.
I would think any of the cities in Texas would be hard to beat if they're basing their decision on affordability and taxes. The city better come to the table with a strong, pro-business proposal.
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2017, 11:20 PM
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I just go over all the cities that will be competing for this. They will get what ever they want from any city they want. I'm guessing. So. Doesn't it come down to lifestyle choice. I mean really. Doesn't that level the playing field. They're going to get whatever they want. You can't recreate what Philly has and a pool that literally stretches from Boston to Richmond. It has a home ready to go in an established urban environment. A Texas city would have severe growing pains I would think. They are already having growing pains. We would be refilling a city with an established (yet rustic) infrastructure. Nothing 50,000 jobs wouldn't fix.

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This article puts Philly as a top contender, while also (incorrectly) calling it a "shrinking city". Definitely a different perspective and paints the whole situation in a more negative light.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slate.com...ose_the_contest_for_amazon_s_new_hq.html
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Old Posted Sep 9, 2017, 3:14 AM
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This article puts Philly as a top contender, while also (incorrectly) calling it a "shrinking city". Definitely a different perspective and paints the whole situation in a more negative light.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slate.com...ose_the_contest_for_amazon_s_new_hq.html
To be fair they call Chicago a shrinking city as well.
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Old Posted Sep 9, 2017, 3:53 AM
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To be fair they call Chicago a shrinking city as well.
That still doesn't excuse the fact that it's just plain wrong.
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