Hwy 99 Fraser River Tunnel (George Massey Replacement) | Proposed

[cganuelas1995]

http://www.theprovince.com/news/politics...assey+bridge+project/14459277/story.html

[M00dy]

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

http://www.theprovince.com/news/politics...assey+bridge+project/14459277/story.html

They'd be idiots to cancel the transmission line move. Whether a new bridge, tunnel, etc the lines will have to move eventually. The work to move the lines has started any any stop now would be a total waste.

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by M00dy

They'd be idiots to cancel the transmission line move. Whether a new bridge, tunnel, etc the lines will have to move eventually. The work to move the lines has started any any stop now would be a total waste.

And that equipment at the 99/17A interchange is just rusting away sitting there.

[ryanmaccdn]

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

I say that kind of ridership, as well as the distance, means it doesn't deserve to be electrified. It should be normal mainline track, maybe single track with passing loops if ridership is low with provisions to double track in the future, with a few DMUs like a LINT 41. Given the distance (26.8km from Bridgeport to Terminal), and the operating speed of the Canada Line (80km/h), it will take about 20 minutes from Bridgeport to Terminal. A hydrogen fuel-cell powered iLINT, which can reach speeds of 140km/h will give us an 11.5 minute trip.

Would be nice to have a line going from Bridgeport to Downtown Tsawwassen (56st and 12av) via Steveston highway exchange, Ladner Village (or Ladner exchange, depending on how vocal the NIMBYs are), and Tsawwassen Mills, with a spur line to Ferries and a special service synchronized to ferry schedules.

I'm sorry but when we don't have any as-semblance of rail heading into our major suburban communities of Langley, Abbotsford or Chilliwack but we are talking about spur lines to to ferries that take what 20% of traffic as foot passengers I shake my head at this....

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by ryanmaccdn

I'm sorry but when we don't have any as-semblance of rail heading into our major suburban communities of Langley, Abbotsford or Chilliwack but we are talking about spur lines to to ferries that take what 20% of traffic as foot passengers I shake my head at this....

Well shaken, sir...

[Stingray2004]

Originally Posted by M00dy

They'd be idiots to cancel the transmission line move. Whether a new bridge, tunnel, etc the lines will have to move eventually. The work to move the lines has started any any stop now would be a total waste.

Bingo! BTW, BC Hydro constructed that specific high-voltage transmission line circa mid-1970's (unique single, high-mast, greenish towers).

The new GMB was obviously the impetus for BC Hydro removing the in-tunnel connection to ground-level for the same reasons - seismic. Should just a shallow, localized 6.5+ quake hit the GMT, both the GMT & BC Hydro transmission line will not likely survive same.

BC Hydro's strategic purpose is "reliability" and that transmission line supplies electricity to Richmond, Delta and other parts of Metro Van:

The transmission line that runs through the George Massey Tunnel is a critical part of our network, supplying power to Richmond, Delta and other parts of the Lower Mainland. It’s an important piece of infrastructure that helps us keep the lights on for tens of thousands of customers in your area.

Seismic: Overhead lines and structures can be built to withstand seismic events. The overhead alternative would be designed to withstand a 1-in 2,475 year event, which is consistent with the latest building code requirements for critical infrastructure.

https://www.bchydro.com/content/dam/BCHy...h-discussion-guide-and-feedback-form.pdf

At this juncture of the construction phase, whether or not the GMB proceeds should not even enter BC Hydro's decision-making process IMHO.

[M00dy]

Originally Posted by Stingray2004

Bingo! BTW, BC Hydro constructed that specific high-voltage transmission line circa mid-1970's (unique single, high-mast, greenish towers).

The new GMB was obviously the impetus for BC Hydro removing the in-tunnel connection to ground-level for the same reasons - seismic. Should just a shallow, localized 6.5+ quake hit the GMT, both the GMT & BC Hydro transmission line will not likely survive same.

Great point, and something that I hadn't even mentioned. Having the line in the tunnel is a big risk for hydro if an earthquake ever hit.

Same as Metro Van, who has been upgrading watermains under the fraser arms & the burrard inlet.

[libtard]

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

http://www.theprovince.com/news/politics...assey+bridge+project/14459277/story.html

Nail in the coffin IMO

Even though as we speak they are clearing land and bringing cranes in for relocating the power lines at Steveston Highway and 99. What a mess this project has become

[Zassk]

Originally Posted by libtard

Nail in the coffin IMO

Even though as we speak they are clearing land and bringing cranes in for relocating the power lines at Steveston Highway and 99. What a mess this project has become

Not only that, they are still continuing with land acquisition and pre-loading along the corridor in Richmond. Will we be stuck with a mountain of pre-load sand along the whole length of one of our major freeways for the next decade?

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Stingray2004

Bingo! BTW, BC Hydro constructed that specific high-voltage transmission line circa mid-1970's (unique single, high-mast, greenish towers).

The new GMB was obviously the impetus for BC Hydro removing the in-tunnel connection to ground-level for the same reasons - seismic. Should just a shallow, localized 6.5+ quake hit the GMT, both the GMT & BC Hydro transmission line will not likely survive same.

BC Hydro's strategic purpose is "reliability" and that transmission line supplies electricity to Richmond, Delta and other parts of Metro Van:

https://www.bchydro.com/content/dam/BCHy...h-discussion-guide-and-feedback-form.pdf

At this juncture of the construction phase, whether or not the GMB proceeds should not even enter BC Hydro's decision-making process IMHO.

You've got the horse before the cart. Hydro was going to have to replace that line because of the decommissioning of the tunnel. Now they're not being forced into it. Should there be a valid business case for a stand-alone line replacement, they can build their own solution.

[flipper316]

Originally Posted by Zassk

Not only that, they are still continuing with land acquisition and pre-loading along the corridor in Richmond. Will we be stuck with a mountain of pre-load sand along the whole length of one of our major freeways for the next decade?

He that didn't stop from Fraser Highway looking like that in the mid 2000's what a joke that was.

[Alex Mackinnon]

Originally Posted by flipper316

He that didn't stop from Fraser Highway looking like that in the mid 2000's what a joke that was.

Preload can take a long time.

[Stingray2004]

Alrighty. One must remember that the proposed GMB & upgraded connecting highway network was designed by civil transportation engineers/traffic engineers over the past 3 - 4 years in conjunction with 1st responders. And no, a politician did not get out a crayon on a drawing board to create same - just wanna make that clear for some on here.

In any event, apparently this week the GreeNDP gov't will be making an announcement on the proposed GMB + approaches. I highly suspect that the announcement will include the proverbial "we will further study" same, which means it's too hot a political potato for 'em and that this matter will be proverbially collecting dust on some back-shelf hereonin - a page taken directly from the 1990's BC NDP gov't playbook:

RAFAL GERSZAK/THE GLOBE AND MAIL
FRANCES BULA
VANCOUVER
1 HOUR AGO

Sources say the province will be making an announcement this coming week about the Massey Bridge, which both the BC NDP and Green parties have opposed in the past. NDP Transportation and Infrastructure Minister Claire Trevena has talked in general terms about a review, but there has been no formal process announced. Before the May election, the Liberal government had requested proposals for the Massey Bridge construction, which produced three submissions, but awarding the contract was delayed until the new government could decide its fate.

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/br...055/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&

[M00dy]

Originally Posted by Stingray2004

Alrighty. One must remember that the proposed GMB & upgraded connecting highway network was designed by civil transportation engineers/traffic engineers over the past 3 - 4 years in conjunction with 1st responders. And no, a politician did not get out a crayon on a drawing board to create same - just wanna make that clear for some on here.

In any event, apparently this week the GreeNDP gov't will be making an announcement on the proposed GMB + approaches. I highly suspect that the announcement will include the proverbial "we will further study" same, which means it's too hot a political potato for 'em and that this matter will be proverbially collecting dust on some back-shelf hereonin - a page taken directly from the 1990's BC NDP gov't playbook:



https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/br...055/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&

It'd be a shame if they do cancel. If the rumours are true one of the bids was an absolute steal of a deal.

[moosejaw]

Originally Posted by M00dy

It'd be a shame if they do cancel. If the rumours are true one of the bids was an absolute steal of a deal.

Chances are since its no longer going to be tolled (if that is the case with this current govt), i would assume the bids would have to be revised as the current bids probably had costs associated with the crossing as tolled.

However i'm just assuming.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by moosejaw

Chances are since its no longer going to be tolled (if that is the case with this current govt), i would assume the bids would have to be revised as the current bids probably had costs associated with the crossing as tolled.

However i'm just assuming.

Picking an "amazingly low bid" is a recipe for disaster. Sometimes the government's hands are tied though.

[moosejaw]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Picking an "amazingly low bid" is a recipe for disaster. Sometimes the government's hands are tied though.

Most have govt projects have contractors post a bid bond that guarantees the price that protects the end user in case the low price fails

[M00dy]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Picking an "amazingly low bid" is a recipe for disaster. Sometimes the government's hands are tied though.

Most major P3 & DB bids here are two-envelope submissions - Technical & Financial submittals.

The lowest bid will win, but only if they pass the Technical submittal, which judges their designs & also their technical organizational ability to complete the work. (past projects, a write-up on how they'll approach different aspects of management, etc)

[SFUVancouver]

The Province just cancelled the George Massey Bridge procurement process.

NDP cancels construction on George Massey bridge project

VICTORIA – B.C.’s new NDP government has cancelled the current construction schedule for a new George Massey bridge, and is sending the project to a technical review.

Transportation Minster Claire Trevena said an independent technical review of the project is expected to be completed by next spring, at which point the government will decide whether it wants to build a new bridge, fix the existing Massey tunnel or twin the tunnel.

“We haven’t made any decision on what is the best way forward, we need to be open to any recommendations that are provided to government by the review,” said Trevena.

The decision effectively ends the previous Liberal government’s plan to build a $3.5-billion, 10-lane, toll bridge to replace the aging Massey tunnel between Delta and Richmond. The government had said the existing tunnel was old and unsafe in the case of an earthquake.

“We’re not going back to square one, we’re going back to a thorough consultation with the community,” she said.

[...]

http://vancouversun.com/news/politics/ndp-cancels-construction-on-george-massey-bridge-project

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by M00dy

Most major P3 & DB bids here are two-envelope submissions - Technical & Financial submittals.

The lowest bid will win, but only if they pass the Technical submittal, which judges their designs & also their technical organizational ability to complete the work. (past projects, a write-up on how they'll approach different aspects of management, etc)

In the case of a bridge, this may be more cut and dried, but just look at the process for the Convention Centre, or the BC Place roof replacement. I like both of those projects, but the budgets were a joke.