YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[CareerShow]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/transport-canada-two-flight-crew-cockpit-1.4164592

Semi related, what do people think of Canada removing the 2 person flight deck rule. Seems like there is no reason not to keep it, as I find the excuse the "safety of the cabin" with regards to decreased flight attendants not a valid one. The US has the rule in place and have used it successfully for over 16 years now.

[casper]

Originally Posted by CareerShow

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/transport-canada-two-flight-crew-cockpit-1.4164592

Semi related, what do people think of Canada removing the 2 person flight deck rule. Seems like there is no reason not to keep it, as I find the excuse the "safety of the cabin" with regards to decreased flight attendants not a valid one. The US has the rule in place and have used it successfully for over 16 years now.

The real questions, if with the US having the rule for 16 years (in a market 10 times Canada), has this rule saved any lives? If it has then it is useful, if it has had no impact then it is a silly rule.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Canadian74

US should be included with International when comparing, that's just dumb

I left transborder numbers out since trofirhen was under the impression that YVR-Asia was the main reason for YVR being in second spot in the country.

The numbers i posted clearly illustrate that isn't the case.

[Johnny Aussie]

The recent additions announced have been loaded.

EUROPE

Both LHR flights will be operated by 789s. The daily 854 77W is therefore being replaced by a 789.

FRA, CDG and ZRH will be operated by 788s.

LGW on rouge is gone.

DUB looks like it will remain at 3 weekly rouge.

ASIA/PACIFIC

MEL 3 weekly 789s now showing.

PVG upgauged to a 77W.

All other routes status quo at the moment.

With these additions next summer.... between AC and other airlines

YVR-London will be served by 34 weekly nonstop flights
YVR-CDG will have 12 weekly nonstops
YVR-ZRH will have 7 weekly nonstops
YVR-Australia/NZ will have 27 weekly nonstops

[SFUVancouver]

Thanks for consolidating the updates, Johnny.

Very impressed by Air Canada's commitment to growing YVR. The 788s and 789s are really getting put to good use. I can't wait for the Cseries to join the fleet and help open up additional transborder routes. Having flown the CS300 this summer, it's an absolutely fantastic aircraft and miles ahead of the Embrarers from a passenger's perspective.

[s211]

Nothing against Zurich whatsoever, but I do wonder at the longevity of that flight.

Yes, I've made (circuitous, thanks Air Canada) connections through there before, but only because there weren't direct options for YVR-CDG before.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Both LHR flights will be operated by 789s. The daily 854 77W is therefore being replaced by a 789.

FRA, CDG and ZRH will be operated by 788s.

LGW on rouge is gone.

Wonder what would be the time for the second LHR flight...

Currently YVR is 1 to 2 gates short:

9:10am - MU581 arrives YVR, unload passengers at gate
~10:30am - gate is needed, MU moves to remote stand (1 gate short)
10:55am - CZ378 arrives at YVR, without gate (2 gates short)
12:25pm - MU582 departs from remote stand (1 gates short)
1:30pm - CZ378 departs from remote stand

Between 10:55am and 12:25pm, the airport is 2 gates short under normal condition.

With AC to ZRH/CDG arrives 10:50am and departs 12:55pm or 1:25pm, that would make it 3 gates short.

If second daily to LHR departs around the same time, then it would be 4 gates short!

Cancelling LGW does not really help, as the departure is later in the afternoon...

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

Wonder what would be the time for the second LHR flight...

AC896 will depart at 2110 pretty much the same as summer 2016.

YVR will have to do what MEL is doing more of... bussing passengers to their planes.

Just flew from MEL to Singapore and Hanoi for an extended weekend... 5 A380s leaving within an hour of each other.. among others of course... The terminal felt at capacity even at 10pm with all our late night departures to Asia. Sounds like YVR heading along that path with a very busy late night with the additional Asian / Australia flights leaving around midnight.

[mezzanine]

interjet to start flights to cancun and MEX this fall.

http://www.theyucatantimes.com/2017/09/interjet-to-launch-vancouver-cancun-flights-in-october/

Interjet has announced the startup on October 26 of direct flights to Vancouver from Cancun and Mexico City. Vancouver will be Interjet’s third destination in the country of the maple leaf, which the low-cost carrier intends to continue conquering throughout 2018.

Starting this week, tickets are available for sale with an affordable introduction fee starting at $194 USD departing from Mexico City and $203 USD departing from Cancun for a one-way trip with taxes included.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Damn! Beat me to it.

I bet Interjet announces both MEX-YYZ and MEX-YVR at the same time effective early 2017.

Originally Posted by mezzanine

interjet to start flights to cancun and MEX this fall.

OK - so I called it a bit later than first predicted

Interjet had also publicly stated YVR would be started in 2017 earlier this year as well.

Flights will operate CUN-YVR-MEX and MEX-YVR-CUN so a total of 8 flights per week.

YVR-CUN is getting crowded with Air Canada, Air Transat, Sunwing, Westjet and now Interjet on the route.

And not so long ago YVR-MEX was just one daily on AC now it will be 28 weekly with AC, AM, CZ and now 4O

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

AC896 will depart at 2110 pretty much the same as summer 2016.

YVR will have to do what MEL is doing more of... bussing passengers to their planes.

Just flew from MEL to Singapore and Hanoi for an extended weekend... 5 A380s leaving within an hour of each other.. among others of course... The terminal felt at capacity even at 10pm with all our late night departures to Asia. Sounds like YVR heading along that path with a very busy late night with the additional Asian / Australia flights leaving around midnight.

MEL terminal 2 seems to be bursting at the seams in the evening. I was on the CX night flight to HKG recently and the gate area was so crowded we couldn't even move. Thankfully, don't think YVR is quite there yet.

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

MEL terminal 2 seems to be bursting at the seams in the evening. I was on the CX night flight to HKG recently and the gate area was so crowded we couldn't even move. Thankfully, don't think YVR is quite there yet.

Ugh, sounds awful. No wonder MEL has such a low score in Skytrax customer reviews and I am sure the missing rail link doesn't help either.

[excel]

Great news about InterJet.

[stiffdeadman]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

OK - so I called it a bit later than first predicted

Interjet had also publicly stated YVR would be started in 2017 earlier this year as well.

Flights will operate CUN-YVR-MEX and MEX-YVR-CUN so a total of 8 flights per week.

YVR-CUN is getting crowded with Air Canada, Air Transat, Sunwing, Westjet and now Interjet on the route.

And not so long ago YVR-MEX was just one daily on AC now it will be 28 weekly with AC, AM, CZ and now 4O

interesting that they went with cancun with all the competition. they could have gone with puerto vallarta, mazatlan or cabo san lucas all which are closer to YVR and have less competition. wonder if volaris will start up guadalajara in the near future?

[nname]

Mexican low-cost carrier InterJet in the 4th quarter continues Canadian service expansion, which sees the airline launching service to Vancouver on 26OCT17. The airline will operate 4 weekly flights each on Cancun – Vancouver and Mexico City – Vancouver routing.

The following schedule is effective from 05NOV17, reflecting the end of daylight savings time.

Cancun – Vancouver
4O2860 CUN1600 – 2015YVR 320 x236
4O2861 YVR0550 – 1505CUN 320 x236

Mexico City – Vancouver
4O2850 MEX0035 – 0450YVR 320 x236
4O2851 YVR2130 – 0515+1MEX 320 x236

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airl...plans-vancouver-launch-in-late-oct-2017/


Ugh.. this arrival and departure time...

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by stiffdeadman

interesting that they went with cancun with all the competition. they could have gone with puerto vallarta, mazatlan or cabo san lucas all which are closer to YVR and have less competition. wonder if volaris will start up guadalajara in the near future?

My thoughts exactly. What you envision would seem more logical, and probably more profitable, too.

[moosejaw]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

My thoughts exactly. What you envision would seem more logical, and probably more profitable, too.

I would agree the airline the routes might be more profitable but i guarantee that people flock to cancun like people flock to vegas and Mexico is promoting this. This is why CUN is Mexico's second largest airport and Cancun has the most hotel rooms of any resort town down there. Cancun was built as a resort town and easily hosts as many tourists as Cabo, Mazatlan, and Puerto Vallarta combined.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

LGW on rouge is gone.

PVG upgauged to a 77W.

Thanks for the synopsis, lots of changes in the last week!

Strange LGW has been removed in the booking calendar because I just checked and it's still bookable on the AC website. I wonder why they would leave it as bookable, seems like that would only cause headaches as they try to provide alternate travel accommodations.

Also wasn't PVG already 77W? That's what I was showing in my chart.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Thanks for the synopsis, lots of changes in the last week!

Strange LGW has been removed in the booking calendar because I just checked and it's still bookable on the AC website. I wonder why they would leave it as bookable, seems like that would only cause headaches as they try to provide alternate travel accommodations.

Also wasn't PVG already 77W? That's what I was showing in my chart.

Booking systems sometimes lag a few days. I assume they are not worried if a few people book for next June or July already.

PVG was downgauged to a 789 this summer...

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by moosejaw

I would agree the airline the routes might be more profitable but i guarantee that people flock to cancun like people flock to vegas and Mexico is promoting this. This is why CUN is Mexico's second largest airport and Cancun has the most hotel rooms of any resort town down there. Cancun was built as a resort town and easily hosts as many tourists as Cabo, Mazatlan, and Puerto Vallarta combined.

Like, wow!! * I wonder what the next market down the notch would be. And where would Guadalajara fit in? It seems Seattle has had Guadalajara on Volaris for some time, but no Mexico City route in the past: Aeromexico is starting up SEA-MEX on Nov 1; quite a bit later than YVR, but the marketability of GDL is evident here. BTW, PDX already has both.