333 Montreal Rd [Salvation Army] | 10+13m | 3+4f | Approved

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by TWCotC

Questions: Who sold the land at the end of the busiest Runway to the Salvation Army?

End of the runway is exaggerating a bit, it is in Barrhaven, near the RCMP, across the river (and several farms) from the airport.

[downtown_eddie_brown]

An interesting report about the proposed development; SA seems to have left some key bylaws unaddressed in their variance application.

https://medium.com/@kucherepa/commentary-salvation-army-proposal-2be0de961fe0

Heard about this on CFRA. If you want to listen to the podcast, it's hour 4 of the August 16th program.

http://www.iheartradio.ca/580-cfra/shows/ottawa-now-with-evan-solomon-1.1892475

[kwoldtimer]

Twelve "shelters" in Vanier?

[Vanier]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Twelve "shelters" in Vanier?

No, there are 12 in Rideau Vanier ward which includes Sandy Hill and Lowertown. There are three within 500 meters of the proposed site, contrary to the 500 meter requirement for separation. There is a 4th that is within 800 meters.

These other shelters are smaller and cater to unique communities within the old City of Vanier: youth, substance abusers, aboriginals, women and children.

Further, there is a John Howard Society halfway house on Ste. Anne street which will abut the proposed shelter location. There is something like 30 outreach social service agencies also within 500 meters of the shelter. Vanier doesn't need any more of these as the community is well serviced, thank you very much. We really don't need to be "saved" by the Salvation Army.

[R_chapma]

Wow

I can see here, few people posting, live in Vanier.

Yes the shelter concentration in the market is a problem. Simpley moving this problem from one place with a high concentration The Market, to another Vanier, does nothing to address the core issues of the people that SA is supposedly trying to help.

They say that the design of the building will alleviate any problems the current location has. Really? Do you think everyone is going to stay in a inner court yard? Is it even reasonable to expect them to stay inside the court yard? No. They will move out and into the surrounding area , which is mainly residential. Just let that sink in. Now just imagine you are a older couple living on St Ann, or a young family, or even better yet a business owner on Montreal. And out of no where, your getting 350 new neighbours.

Seriously the SA and Watson and pulling some shady S#^$T with the way this is getting rolled out. If you really want to look to the real reasons this is happening, its what it always is, money. The root of all evil. The downtown location, with an empty parking lot next door represents some serious cash. The homeless, and the residents of Vanier can go get F&%#d. Someone is getting greased. And they are counting on the people of Vanier not to put up a fight. We'll see about that.

[R_chapma]

This is a link to the submission made to the City of Ottawa planning department by the community committee focusing on by-law and zoning issues. The committee was led by Peter Kucherepa.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zjcf4nf0ekwbcb...BMISSION%20%28Kucherepa%29%20V1.pdf?dl=0

[rocketphish]

Salvation Army consultant predicts millions infused into Vanier economy

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: August 30, 2017 | Last Updated: August 30, 2017 5:37 PM EDT

Relocating the Salvation Army’s shelter and social services to Vanier would infuse at least $15 million annually into the community’s economy and create hundreds of spinoff jobs, according to an analysis obtained by the Citizen.

The Salvation Army hired Shore-Tanner and Associates to study the potential impact of a social services complex on Vanier as the organization moves ahead with a plan to build a $53-million “community hub” at 333 Montreal Rd.

The consultant believes the Salvation Army will spend $15 million in its first year of operation on community and family services, outreach services, arts, education and spiritual care programs, client housing and operation and maintenance. The estimate increases to $17 million in the fifth year of operations.

When it comes to associated benefits, the consultant predicts there would be 137 new full-time jobs in agriculture, professional services, trades, utilities and property maintenance that would be open to Vanier residents. Another 275 full-time jobs could be created in other related areas and there would be demand for a new 7,000-square-foot retail and service space near the Salvation Army complex, the study says.

The consultant highlights the potential for an economic boon to Vanier with the roughly 150 employees and 300 volunteers who would be working directly at the complex throughout the year.

The construction of the complex would have a one-time employment impact, resulting in 480 direct and indirect jobs with a total payroll of $20.1 million, the study says.

Based on its conversations with the Salvation Army, the consultant also calculated how much money clients would receive from government and personal sources and potentially spend in Vanier. The estimate is $3.3 million annually.

Rideau-Vanier ward has huge potential on the horizon with more residential developments attracting people to the central-east part of the city, the consultant points out.

The Salvation Army’s proposed complex would be “a catalyst for more growth and prosperity on Montreal Road” and the surrounding area, the report says.

The development application to relocate the Salvation Army’s shelter and health services from the ByWard Market to Vanier, replacing a motel with a 103,000-square-foot complex, is expected to go through the municipal political approval process this fall.

There would be 350 beds at the complex, with the emergency shelter using 140 of them. Most of the beds would be for other health and social service programs.

The Salvation Army also plans to spend $350,000 to upgrade the existing Thrift Store in Vanier.

The organization hopes to have the new complex open in 2020 if it receives the necessary planning approvals from city hall.

While the Salvation Army has collected political support from Mayor Jim Watson, the organization is facing strong opposition from the local councillor, Mathieu Fleury, and many of his constituents in Vanier.

Shore-Tanner and Associates in the past has done work for the Quartier Vanier BIA, which has voiced skepticism about locating the complex on Montreal Road.

The consultant believes it has a good grasp on Vanier and the potential impact of the Salvation Army’s operations to the local economy.

“We expect the proposed community hub, and the renovated Thrift Store to have significantly positive impacts on Vanier’s business community, and will therefore be an effective contributor to the achievement of the goals of the Vanier BIA,” the study says.

The BIA, local councillor and community have been critical of the Salvation Army’s lack of public consultation.

The Salvation Army has now delivered flyers around the community and scheduled a single-day consultation. The organization is inviting people to drop in and see the plans and meet staff. The open house will be on Sept. 13 between 1 p.m. and 8 p.m. at the Ottawa Conference and Event Centre at 200 Coventry Rd.

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http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news...cts-millions-infused-into-vanier-economy

[downtown_eddie_brown]

I don't understand the point of this study. When the glowing effects cited in this paper fail to materialize, shoppers, developers, entrepreneurs and homebuyers avoid Montreal Road even more, and the area generally goes from "questionable" to "shit sandwich", will the authors of the study just mug at the camera and shrug?

[Vanier]

“We expect the proposed community hub, and the renovated Thrift Store to have significantly positive impacts on Vanier’s business community, and will therefore be an effective contributor to the achievement of the goals of the Vanier BIA,” the study says."

My jaw just dropped to the floor.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by downtown_eddie_brown

I don't understand the point of this study. When the glowing effects cited in this paper fail to materialize, shoppers, developers, entrepreneurs and homebuyers avoid Montreal Road even more, and the area generally goes from "questionable" to "shit sandwich", will the authors of the study just mug at the camera and shrug?

It's called advocacy ...

[rocketphish]

Salvation Army's economic study rosy 'in a vacuum,' BIA says

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: August 31, 2017 | Last Updated: August 31, 2017 3:33 PM EDT

The chair of the Quartier Vanier BIA is skeptical about a study commissioned by the Salvation Army that suggests a relocated shelter and health complex would pump $15 million into the local economy.

Mark Kaluski said no business owner has told him that the proposed complex for 333 Montreal Rd. would bring a financial windfall for Vanier.

“The report paints a rosy picture, but there’s a reason Ottawa neighbourhoods aren’t lining up to fight to get this project into their area,” Kaluski said Thursday.

The Salvation Army’s economic benefit study done by Shore-Tanner and Associates suggests Vanier is poised to receive millions of dollars in gross economic benefits and hundreds of spinoff jobs if the shelter and health services centre relocates to the community.

“In a vacuum, these numbers are a welcome investment into our commercial area. What’s been disregarded is that the site could house an investment that would be a higher and better use of the lot.”

Kaluski said he has had conversations with other potential developers who would be interested in the motel property eyed by the Salvation Army.

But the Salvation Army has the conditional offer on the property and if city council approves a development application, the organization could have the complex built and operating by 2020.

Many residents in Vanier, together with political representatives for the area, are leery of the Salvation Army’s plan.

The Salvation Army proposes to relocate its services from its Booth Centre in the ByWard Market and build a modern $53-million facility with an emergency shelter, family services, life skills programs, addictions counselling and a special care unit.

The BIA doesn’t see how creating a “mega shelter” would benefit Vanier, especially if it brings safety issues that pop up around the current facility in the market.

“If the (Salvation Army) can’t demonstrate that it wont be transplanting the same issues from the Booth Centre onto Montreal Road, then we have no reason to believe this will have a positive economic impact on Vanier,” Kaluski said.

The Salvation Army says its proposed complex would be properly managed and supervised and be designed as a secure facility.

However, Kaluski is keen on seeing if there are other options for property that would be better suited for that stretch of Montreal Road.

The “traditional mainstreet” zoning for the property allows a health centre but not a shelter. Council would need to allow an exception for the Salvation Army.

“There’s a reason for a plan and a reason for zoning and there’s no compelling reason to make an exception to that,” Kaluski said.

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http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/salvation-armys-economic-study-rosy-in-a-vacuum-bia-says

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by Vanier

“We expect the proposed community hub, and the renovated Thrift Store to have significantly positive impacts on Vanier’s business community, and will therefore be an effective contributor to the achievement of the goals of the Vanier BIA,” the study says."

My jaw just dropped to the floor.

I am intrigued by these agriculture jobs.

Won't the Market area now be mad at losing all this economic activity?

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

I am intrigued by these agriculture jobs.

Grow ops

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by acottawa

Grow ops

It's Vanier, not Stittsville!

[R_chapma]

Here are all the reasons the economic impact study done by Shore-Tanner and Associates, is a giant load of expensive BS

https://urbanomicsblog.wordpress.com/201...ial-services-complex-in-vanier/#more-513

Written by a Dan Stankovic

[R_chapma]

And yet some more holes are poked in that rickety old boat .

https://urbanomicsblog.wordpress.com/2017/09/08/economics-of-illusion-addendum/

By Dan Stankovic

[rocketphish]

Heat turned up on Salvation Army at public consultation about proposed Vanier shelter

James Bagnall, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: September 13, 2017 | Last Updated: September 13, 2017 9:44 PM EDT

The Salvation Army’s first public consultation about its proposed homeless shelter for Vanier generated noisy opposition inside and outside the Ottawa Conference and Event Centre on Wednesday.

The contrast in approach by the two sides was sharp. Inside the event centre, Salvation Army staff quietly populated 21 professionally prepared stands corresponding to the various programs and services to be offered at the new homeless shelter. For seven hours starting at 1 p.m., members of the public could pose queries directly to staff about their plans for offering hunger relief, long-term care, life-skill classes, economic spinoffs and spiritual advice.

Directly outside, but out of earshot, nearly 100 demonstrators chanted their disapproval of building what they call a “mega shelter” in Vanier. Some protesters were members of SOS Vanier, a local group dedicated to halting the construction of the homeless shelter at 333 Montreal Rd. Others were shuttled to the event centre by Mathieu Fleury, the city councillor for the ward that would encompass the shelter.

“This is not just a not-in-my-backyard issue,” said Fleury. “We’re saying the model of building one big shelter needs to change.”

Fleury contends the proposed shelter’s services could be dispersed through many smaller facilities scattered throughout the city. It’s an approach that might find favour in some quarters in this town because large, complicated projects have a tendency to cost more than expected, take longer than forecast and fail to deliver promised results.

Think Phoenix Pay, Shard Services Canada, the government’s single email system and other equally ambitious attempts to modernize. The advantage of housing Salvation Army services in different facilities is that a single failure doesn’t need to contaminate the entire operation.

Inside the event centre, the biggest group of people was not in front of one of the 21 information stands. Rather, it was in the form of a semi-circle before Marc Provost, the executive director of the Salvation Army for the past four years.

He was being challenged by members of the public to explain why Vanier is being asked to bear the entire burden of the Salvation Army’s proposed move from the ByWard Market. Why not spread the services around?

“It’s a good question,” Provost allowed, before explaining about the shelter’s expected efficiencies. “There are significant pros to having a more holistic approach.”

The questioners were persistent. Isn’t Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson just trying to shift the homeless population out of the market so he can boost tourism? And isn’t it true that other charities are also planning moves out to Vanier? Provost deferred the latter question to the charities in question, suggesting he wasn’t aware of such plans in the works. Nor did he presume to speak for the mayor.

It was clear, however, that the Salvation Army on Wednesday was getting pushback from forces outside and inside the event centre.

“The Salvation Army needs to engage people on a regular basis,” said Fleury. “We hope they will reconsider their approach.”

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news...nsultation-about-proposed-vanier-shelter

[kwoldtimer]

One has the impression that at least some of the opposition would be satisfied if the emergency shelter were made smaller. I suppose the City would need to step up to pay for the incremental costs of that approach, however, and I've seen no sign (yet) that they'd be inclined to do so.

[acottawa]

The thing is both the city and Salvation Army know every neighbourhood would react exactly the same way, and Vanier would react the same way even if there were concessions, so there is little incentive to change anything.

[Uhuniau]

A smaller shelter would result in a backlash maybe 15% less than the current one, with the additional cost of repeating the same story wherever else the other facilities would have to go to provide the same capacity.

Watson and Sally Ann knew what they were doing - hence the location, the secrecy around the whole project, the sham statistics, and the deliberately bad public engagement.