Highways in Canada

[vid]

Considering we have a Liberal government, it will probably be built by the government (The government is the provider! Spend all the monies!) but owned by the corporations (Corporations know best! Let's sell our assets to them!)

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by vid

Considering we have a Liberal government, it will probably be built by the government (The government is the provider! Spend all the monies!) but owned by the corporations (Corporations know best! Let's sell our assets to them!)

That is if they get back in....

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

OK, hold your breath.....

At the pace of road construction in the north, it'll take more than 2 decades till they are done.

Who knows but:

The nice thing about the new roads is that they will be in the Hudson Bay Lowlands and not the Canadian Shield so they should be cheaper and easier to build.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Loco101

Who knows but:

The nice thing about the new roads is that they will be in the Hudson Bay Lowlands and not the Canadian Shield so they should be cheaper and easier to build.

Uhm...

Permafrost....

https://nomts.ca/draft-northern-ontario-multimodal-transportation-strategy/

Scroll down to see this:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=northern+...w&biw=1467&bih=666#imgrc=-h6ZVRSWydu_BM:

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Uhm...

Permafrost....

https://nomts.ca/draft-northern-ontario-multimodal-transportation-strategy/

Scroll down to see this:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=northern+...w&biw=1467&bih=666#imgrc=-h6ZVRSWydu_BM:

It not North enough for continuous permafrost so it shouldn't be a problem.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Loco101

It not North enough for continuous permafrost so it shouldn't be a problem.

100 years ago, they didn't think muskeg was a problem. That is till they lost a train or 2, and a few bulldozers.

This ain't the prairies or southern Ontario.

[manny_santos]

Originally Posted by Loco101

It not North enough for continuous permafrost so it shouldn't be a problem.

Additionally I doubt these are going to be paved, at least initially. Most of Ontario's northern Secondary Highways were unpaved for years, a few still are.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

100 years ago, they didn't think muskeg was a problem. That is till they lost a train or 2, and a few bulldozers.

This ain't the prairies or southern Ontario.

It's very flat land. Definitely lots of swampy parts but I'm sure that having lots of culverts will do the trick.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by manny_santos

Additionally I doubt these are going to be paved, at least initially. Most of Ontario's northern Secondary Highways were unpaved for years, a few still are.

No they wouldn't be paved as traffic volume would be too low.

[vid]

Originally Posted by manny_santos

Additionally I doubt these are going to be paved, at least initially. Most of Ontario's northern Secondary Highways were unpaved for years, a few still are.

Lots are unpaved. And the ones that are paved would honestly be much better off as gravel because they literally just paved them once in 1980 and haven't done a damn thing to improve them since.

You can build roads through swampy areas, they already exist in many places. It isn't 100% swamp, there are solid places to build all over the region. The biggest challenge is finding where the most optimal locations are for roads and connecting them all together. If they can cover Florida in roads and houses, I'm sure this area won't be impossible. If anything, I would expect it to be less challenging than building in rural south Florida.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by vid

Lots are unpaved. And the ones that are paved would honestly be much better off as gravel because they literally just paved them once in 1980 and haven't done a damn thing to improve them since.

You can build roads through swampy areas, they already exist in many places. It isn't 100% swamp, there are solid places to build all over the region. The biggest challenge is finding where the most optimal locations are for roads and connecting them all together. If they can cover Florida in roads and houses, I'm sure this area won't be impossible. If anything, I would expect it to be less challenging than building in rural south Florida.

When was the last time a road in Florida had to deal with the frost?

[lio45]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

When was the last time a road in Florida had to deal with the frost?

There's also the fact that density and tax base over there are in a totally different league from Northern Ontario. If the people and money are there nearly anything can be done; the deal-breaker for infrastructure is usually money, not literal engineering feasibility.

[vid]

Dirt roads in Thunder Bay deal with frost and swampy conditions all the time and we seem to be able to cope with it just fine.

There are already dirt roads in that region, just not going directly to the Ring of Fire, and they, too, are maintained and in acceptable condition.

Why would the dirt road running eastbound through muskeg be so much worse or unfeasible than an identical road running westbound in the same muskeg?

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by vid

Dirt roads in Thunder Bay deal with frost and swampy conditions all the time and we seem to be able to cope with it just fine.

There are already dirt roads in that region, just not going directly to the Ring of Fire, and they, too, are maintained and in acceptable condition.

Why would the dirt road running eastbound through muskeg be so much worse or unfeasible than an identical road running westbound in the same muskeg?

Come visit Sudbury.

There is even a highway that is closed when it rains.

[vid]

Even if the road in the north is closed when it rains, it will still be accessible more often than it currently is, on account of its not existing yet.

And if Thunder Bay can build half the city in a swamp (one ward is half built on a drained bog) without serious flooding issues I don't see why Sudbury can't do the same. Have you tried building a base under the road and ensuring there is adequate drainage? Those things help.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by vid

Even if the road in the north is closed when it rains, it will still be accessible more often than it currently is, on account of its not existing yet.

And if Thunder Bay can build half the city in a swamp (one ward is half built on a drained bog) without serious flooding issues I don't see why Sudbury can't do the same. Have you tried building a base under the road and ensuring there is adequate drainage? Those things help.

And in the spring melt, they will need to rebuild sections.

Didn't highway 17 near the Soo get closed due to rain?

[Loco101]

There is flooding and there are washouts on roads in many places in North America and around the world in many climates.

There is generally less precipitation the further North you go in Northern Ontario. The cold isn't going to stop roads from existing. Sure there will be some issues but they can normally be fixed fairly quickly.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Loco101

There is flooding and there are washouts on roads in many places in North America and around the world in many climates.

There is generally less precipitation the further North you go in Northern Ontario. The cold isn't going to stop roads from existing. Sure there will be some issues but they can normally be fixed fairly quickly.

My concern has to do with stranding people. That are has no cell service and not a lot of traffic.

[SignalHillHiker]

There is now a new push to twin the TCH across the island of Newfoundland.



Currently, the TCH is twinned from St. John's to Whitbourne. Then it's mostly a three-lane highway (middle passing lane belonging to whichever direction is heading uphill; and lots of areas where it's just a two-lane highway), excluding a portion of four-lane divided highway around Corner Brook. It's probably similar in length to the portion outside St. John's but I've no idea where it begins and ends so I can't indicate it.



We had another needless accident this week. A family of three from Conception Bay South (suburban St. John's) drifted into the middle lane and collided head-on with another car, driven by an 18-year-old from St. Lawrence on the Burin Peninsula. Everyone except a 16-year-old passenger in the latter car died. And the family from CBS leaves behind a tween daughter who is now the only surviving member of her immediate family.





So now we've got a young girl who lost her whole family, wiped out for a simple mistake on one of the very few straight, boring stretches of the TCH in Newfoundland, a 16-year-old boy who lived through everything, a young driver who lost her life doing absolutely nothing wrong.

Twin the bloody highway already. The only reason it's not is because there were stations along the old Newfoundland Railway at the base of every peninsula, and since Confederation and the replacement of the railroad with a highway, those have become truck stops and become the fastest-growing communities in Newfoundland. Soulless, strip mall shitholes all along the TCH - Deer Lake, Gander, Whitbourne, etc. - and all of them have fought tooth and nail at every opportunity to prevent twinning of the highway because of the business they get from drivers just being able to pull over into the parking lots of their shitty strip malls, motels, and giant gas stations. Well, people are literally dying. So twin the highway, even if it kills these awful, awful towns.

If you see a dot on a map of Newfoundland, and at least one part of it isn't touching blue ocean, the WHOLE community is bungalows and strip malls OR, if they have 10,000 or more residents, a big box store area.

[wave46]

Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker

There is now a new push to twin the TCH across the island of Newfoundland.

I wonder if a 2+1 highway with a center divider might be the ticket. It'll be much cheaper than 4 lanes the whole way and eliminates the unsafe passing and accidental crossing over that tends to lead to these fatalities.