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Old Posted Jun 25, 2017, 3:46 AM
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Some transitway routes like the 94 and 98 are busy enough to justify use of artics but I hadn't realized that the 96 got scrapped and replaced with 2 new routes (been out of town for about 2 years). Wasn't the 96 assigned 40' buses outside of peak hours though? I would imagine that the 61 and 62 would be as well.
Its splitting hairs, but the 92 was added a few years ago (can't remember when) and then more recently, both routes were renumbered 61 and 62.

As for your question, they certainly continue to use artics during the daytime (likely because it is easier to have a driver use only one bus during a shift). It is possible they use 40' buses during the late evening though (when a new driver starts a shift). Even if they did, it wouldn't really help other routes as they have a surplus of all bus types during the off peak. It is during the peak periods that they have almost all of the buses on the road.

It will be interesting to see once the Confederation line opens, especially after stage 2 as the need for articulated buses on many of these routes will be eliminated, as they are no longer running through the central Ottawa, where they fill up.
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Its splitting hairs, but the 92 was added a few years ago (can't remember when) and then more recently, both routes were renumbered 61 and 62.

As for your question, they certainly continue to use artics during the daytime (likely because it is easier to have a driver use only one bus during a shift). It is possible they use 40' buses during the late evening though (when a new driver starts a shift). Even if they did, it wouldn't really help other routes as they have a surplus of all bus types during the off peak. It is during the peak periods that they have almost all of the buses on the road.

It will be interesting to see once the Confederation line opens, especially after stage 2 as the need for articulated buses on many of these routes will be eliminated, as they are no longer running through the central Ottawa, where they fill up.
I'm hoping that after the train starts, the route formerly known as 1 never runs with s 40' bus. It should only be artics or double deckers
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Whenever I see a 88, 61, or 62 late at night in Katimavik they are almost always artics.
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I'm hoping that after the train starts, the route formerly known as 1 never runs with s 40' bus. It should only be artics or double deckers
OC Transpo loves cramming downtown passengers into the most uncomfortable rides possible.

And the 1 (now 6) gets much better vehicle allocation than the 12. Why does OC Transpo hate people who live and work along the Rideau-Montreal corridor?

Even when the 12 is running on an artic, unlike the 1/6 or 7 on Beechwood, driver won't allow rear-door boarding.
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Whenever I see a 88, 61, or 62 late at night in Katimavik they are almost always artics.
At the same time of the night that the 12 is reduced to a 40-footer.
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Old Posted Jun 26, 2017, 1:18 PM
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OC Transpo loves cramming downtown passengers into the most uncomfortable rides possible.

And the 1 (now 6) gets much better vehicle allocation than the 12. Why does OC Transpo hate people who live and work along the Rideau-Montreal corridor?
I have troubles believing that it is that malicious, but it certainly does seem strange.

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Even when the 12 is running on an artic, unlike the 1/6 or 7 on Beechwood, driver won't allow rear-door boarding.
Is that some sort of official policy? I know fare inspectors are seldom seen, but maybe rear-door boarding is only allowed on routes that they are supposedly inspecting?
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I have troubles believing that it is that malicious, but it certainly does seem strange.



Is that some sort of official policy? I know fare inspectors are seldom seen, but maybe rear-door boarding is only allowed on routes that they are supposedly inspecting?
Could this be a maneuverability issue? Montreal Rd is very crowded with narrow streets parked cars etc.
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City releases finalist bidders for next stage of light rail

David Reevely
First posted: Thursday, June 22, 2017 06:21 PM EDT | Updated: Thursday, June 22, 2017 06:25 PM EDT


The team building Ottawa’s first leg of light rail is staying out of the bidding for the extensions to follow but there are still international construction giants to choose from, city manager Steve Kanellakos told councillors Thursday evening.

The city’s rail department has pre-qualified three new consortiums to bid on its next megaproject, he wrote in a memo, and they’ll be getting the detailed bid documents within the week. As with the Rideau Transit Group consortium that won the contract for the first stage of construction, they’re corporate groups assembled specifically for the Ottawa work. They are:
  • Confederation Transit Group (made up of Spanish transportation conglomerate Ferrovial, French road and rail company Colas and local construction firm Tomlinson)
  • East West Connectors (made up of American construction company Kiewit and French builder and transit operator Vinci)
  • Confederation Line 2 Partners (made up of American construction and engineering firm Bechtel and Canadian builders Aecon, Pomerleau and EBC)

Colas, Vinci and Aecon were all parts of unsuccessful bids for the first rail contract. Rideau Transit Group and its members agreed to stay out of the bidding for the second phase, which the city wanted because their obvious advantage would suppress competition.

This round of bidding is to extend the first electric LRT line west to Bayshore and Baseline and east to Trim Road by 2023. An extension of the current diesel train line to Bowesville, south of the Ottawa airport, is to be put up for bids separately.

In all, the next phase of rail and all its add-ons are supposed to cost $3.6 billion.

Although the plan is to pay for it all with city, provincial and federal money, it might be possible to save some by putting stations into new private-sector buildings. The city’s asking for property owners around stations planned for Cleary Avenue, Pinecrest Road and Baseline Road to speak up, and have added a new spot at 1181 Richmond Rd., just east of the bridge over the Ottawa River Parkway, to the list.

Other than that, Kanellakos’s memo said the next phase of rail is moving ahead ticketyboo, with funding deals progressing and approvals from the upper governments coming in on schedule.

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I have troubles believing that it is that malicious, but it certainly does seem strange.
When they started cutting artics from the 12 in 2009-10, the official answer is that they were "needed" for express routes. The result was the shit-show that the 12 became and continues to be today.

Maybe it's not malicious, but there is something at work.

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Is that some sort of official policy? I know fare inspectors are seldom seen, but maybe rear-door boarding is only allowed on routes that they are supposedly inspecting?
No idea, but it happens. You never see fare inspectors on Beechwood or Bank Street buses, either, but drivers on artics running those streets aren't nearly as jerkish about forcing front-door boarding as they are on the 12.
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Ottawa LRT builders receive $349M contract to help plan expansion

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Published: Jun 29, 2017 4:56pm EDT


Barred from building the expansion to Ottawa’s east-west light-rail network, the firms currently constructing the Confederation Line say they’ve received a $349-million contract to ensure a smooth transition between the two phases of the massive infrastructure project.

The Rideau Transit Group – led by SNC-Lavalin, EllisDon and ACS Infrastructure – will provide 38 additional light-rail vehicles and provide assistance to the city as it tenders the expansion contract.

The $2.1-billion section of the Confederation Line currently under construction will run from Tunney’s Pasture to Blair station via a tunnel beneath the downtown core. In 2019, work is expected to start on a $2.5-billion addition that will extend the line out to Moodie Drive in the west and Orleans in the east.

Earlier this year, the city said it asked RTG not to submit a bid out of fear that its incumbent advantage would discourage other firms from participating in the procurement process.

The companies will, however, be allowed to bid on a separate contract to extend the north-south Trillium light-rail line to Riverside South and add linkages to the airport.

RTG was awarded the $349-million contract as part of a memorandum of understanding that the consortium ratified with the city in March.

“We are proud that the City of Ottawa has extended our scope to ensure the growth of the project and has entrusted us to maintain the Confederation Line's core assets until 2048,” said Chantal Sorel, the managing director of capital for SNC-Lavalin, in a statement.

In a separate LRT development this month, the province said it fined several of the companies involved in the project for improperly dumping material excavated from the tunnel.

The tunneling operation involved cutting rock using machines lubricated by water and producing a watery slurry waste, Ontario’s Ministry of the Environment and Climate Change said in a statement. The slurry is classified as a liquid industrial waste and must be disposed of in accordance with regulatory requirements.

In March 2015, a contractor hauled 13 loads of slurry to a dugout area at a property on Howie Road. in Carp that was not an approved waste disposal site, according to the province.

At the time, the site was leased to Richard Earnest Rump, who had a contract with the haulage company to allow the waste to be dumped at the pit even though it was not an approved waste disposal site.

On June 21, 2017, SNC-Lavalin Constructors (Pacific) Inc., Dragados Canada Inc., and EllisDon Corp. were each convicted of one offence and fined $30,000, plus a victim fine surcharge of $7,500. Mr. Rump was convicted and was fined $5,000 plus a victim fine surcharge of $1,250.

The slurry material was cleaned up and properly disposed of in compliance with regulations.

http://www.obj.ca/article/ottawa-lrt-builders-receive-349m-contract-help-plan-expansion
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City looking for station oriented development partners (Cleary, Pinecrest and Baseline stations, 1181 Richmond Rd.) - see article a few posts above...

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Could this be a maneuverability issue? Montreal Rd is very crowded with narrow streets parked cars etc.
Montreal Road is not narrow, and route 12 runs in a straight line along it.

In the days of the old 2, it almost always ran on artics. The street hasn't gotten narrower since.
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Good Day.... FYI :

Stage2 website posting of Moodie LRT station Connectivity study workshop :

presentation : http://www.stage2lrt.ca/wp-content/uploa...vity-Workshop-Presentation_Final_ENG.pdf

boards (similar as to within presentation) : http://www.stage2lrt.ca/wp-content/uploa...T-Connectivity-Boards_FINAL_20170821.pdf

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Montreal Road is not narrow, and route 12 runs in a straight line along it.
The ROW is as little as 16.9m, which is one of the narrowest 4 lane roads in the city.

http://documents.ottawa.ca/sites/documents.ottawa.ca/files/montreal_road_pohboards_en.pdf
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The ROW is as little as 16.9m, which is one of the narrowest 4 lane roads in the city.

http://documents.ottawa.ca/sites/documents.ottawa.ca/files/montreal_road_pohboards_en.pdf
Which still does not make it a narrow road, and certainly not so "narrow" that artics can't run on it.

Why are Ottawans so convinced their streets and roads are so narrow? They aren't, except maybe by comparison to Vegas or something.

Baffling.
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Good Day.... FYI :

Stage2 website posting of Moodie LRT station Connectivity study workshop :

presentation : http://www.stage2lrt.ca/wp-content/uploa...vity-Workshop-Presentation_Final_ENG.pdf

boards (similar as to within presentation) : http://www.stage2lrt.ca/wp-content/uploa...T-Connectivity-Boards_FINAL_20170821.pdf

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Moodie West Station? Seriously? It's in the middle of nowhere!
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LRT facility site would cost more, but city says it's not throwaway

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: August 22, 2017 | Last Updated: August 22, 2017 7:24 PM EDT


An alternate location for a proposed LRT maintenance and storage facility west of Moodie Drive will cost up to $15 million more, but the city says it’s not throwaway money since the work will grease the wheels for the future Kanata connection.

As part of the Stage 2 rail expansion, the city has been studying how trains will operate around the new terminus at Moodie Drive in 2023. The preferred location for the station is on the east side of Moodie Drive and until recently the city was leaning toward building a light maintenance and storage facility just north off Moodie Drive.

Bay Coun. Mark Taylor said the city heard “very loudly” from the community about not locating the facility on the east side of Moodie Drive, north of the Abbott facility and near the Crystal Beach neighbourhood.

“I wasn’t a fan of having it on the east side, either,” Taylor said Tuesday, explaining that the previously preferred site would have been beside a school, up against a residential community and would have removed a natural area.

The city is now eyeing a narrow strip of land between Corkstown Road and Highway 417 for the facility, with additional room for two sets of tracks to be part of the eventual LRT extension to Kanata.

The challenge with locating the facility on the west side of Moodie Drive is that the city will have to build an underpass at Moodie on the north side of Highway 417.

That’s expected to add between $10 million and $15 million more to the cost of the Stage 2 design.

“Yes, it’s adding that money to the project now, but since it’s on a line that’s heading to Kanata, we would have to go there eventually anyway,” Taylor said.

For now, the Stage 2 blueprint would stop trains at a station pencilled in just east of Moodie Drive.

A bus rapid transit extension between Moodie Drive and Bayshore Shopping Centre is scheduled to open later this year. It will operate for about three years before the city shuts it down for LRT conversion, reopening the stretch as a train line in 2023.

Although an environmental assessment is ongoing for the eventual Stage 3 to Kanata, the LRT link to the western suburb is in the city’s long-term transit plan.

City rail planners, now armed with a new preferred site for the maintenance and storage facility, have been working to minimize the footprint so the Wesley Clover Parks operations off Corkstown Road, and the organization’s future expansion plans, aren’t negatively impacted.

Wesley Clover runs recreation programs on National Capital Commission land.

The director at Wesley Clover Parks couldn’t be reached for comment, but Taylor said the city is talking with the organization as it develops the LRT plans.

According to Taylor, one idea being considered is having an LRT stop that could serve Wesley Clover operations during major events, but not a full-blown station. If the city is building an underpass and a facility on the west side of Moodie Drive, it might be wise to give rail access to the property, Taylor said.

“Ideally it gets those eventgoers on transit and closer to the site,” Taylor said.

Chris Swail, the city’s director of O-Train planning, said staff continue to talk with the NCC and the Ontario Ministry of Transportation about its LRT intentions around Moodie Drive.

Swail said the city is trying to squeeze as much LRT infrastructure between Corkstown Road and the highway so it doesn’t impact other land, especially the Wesley Clover-operated property.

The city is looking at potentially building a slim facility that would give covered storage to just over 30 LRT vehicles and have an area for light maintenance. (The heavy maintenance on LRT vehicles would still happen at the facility on Belfast Road).

The Rideau Transit Group, which has been confirmed as the LRT maintenance provider in the Stage 2 expansion, is offering insight on facility requirements at Moodie Drive.

Swail said the city is also thinking ahead to the Kanata LRT link with the intention of planning a facility that could hold 90 LRT vehicles.

The city can’t build any old LRT facility because the area is considered a significant part of the capital arrival experience and the NCC wants things to look good.

Swail said the city is considering different design features for the facility, such as a green roof and potentially copying some of the roofs at the Wesley Clover operations.

At the same time, it helps that the LRT maintenance and storage facility would be nestled against the westbound lanes of the highway — the lanes leaving the city.

Meanwhile, the city is already considering how people will get to the Moodie LRT station by foot and bike. Staff gathered feedback on station connections during a public meeting Monday night.

There are still people who would rather see the LRT station built on the west side of Moodie Drive, but Taylor said there isn’t a compelling reason to locate a station farther away from a residential community.

“I heard lots of people talking about different connectivity pieces but I didn’t hear when I was there a reason that jumped out that said we need to have the station on the west side (of Moodie Drive),” Taylor said.

The city is aiming to have a Stage 2 update for the finance and economic development committee on Sept. 5.

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Moodie West Station? Seriously? It's in the middle of nowhere!
Good Day....

Yep..... not just the LMSF (ageed, they shoehorned it in, but the latest mod to the west is even worse, doubly shoehorned)
....but the station too..... !! NIMBY to the ultra-max ! WOW ! LOL !
Like...please, people, get real or what !!
I'd ACHE to get a station that near, if not closer !

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Meanwhile, the city is already considering how people will get to the Moodie LRT station by foot and bike. Staff gathered feedback on station connections during a public meeting Monday night.

There are still people who would rather see the LRT station built on the west side of Moodie Drive, but Taylor said there isn’t a compelling reason to locate a station farther away from a residential community.

“I heard lots of people talking about different connectivity pieces but I didn’t hear when I was there a reason that jumped out that said we need to have the station on the west side (of Moodie Drive),” Taylor said.
Who?? Who are these people?? Do people not understand the benefits of having a rapid transit station closer to their homes?? I know that people on this forum tend to be more open to transit ideals, but I can't see how any reasonable person would want this FURTHER away from them.
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Who?? Who are these people?? Do people not understand the benefits of having a rapid transit station closer to their homes?? I know that people on this forum tend to be more open to transit ideals, but I can't see how any reasonable person would want this FURTHER away from them.
According to the survey, predominantly 60+ year old 2-person household NIMBYs
Apparently that's who we are building the LRT for.


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