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Old Posted Jul 29, 2017, 1:49 AM
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The thing is the orginal proposal was within the official area plan as well (one approved by the very same council), just needed a rezoning to be enacted. Makes you shake your head...
well if the city isn't willing to stand by the plan that they made then it is either;

1 - on them for making a plan that the people didn't want
2 - not standing by the plan they made because they are spineless
3 - they are idiots listening to idiots

if they are going to listen to a group of people insulting another group of people, then i would think #2 or #3 applies to council.

in the end, the people got what they wanted though. the people did elect these people to do what the people wanted. obviously something went wrong.


but, power to the developer for taking advantage of the CoV's inept council/stupid residents. cant fault them, they did try to do something to help the community. funny how the community rejects them and supports them doing 0 and making even more money. haha. lets hope this doesn't have a domino effect with other properties in the area. although if it does, it was a self inflicted wound so you can't blame the developers.
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2017, 2:26 AM
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So whats the difference between this new scheme vs the Version 3? that was recently getting people all up in arms about. Aside from chopping the top off. Do they still have to do the community space etc etc?
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2017, 3:08 AM
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The 'not a rezoning' Development Permit version of 105 Keefer Street has been submitted. Basically it's the same design as the rezoning but without the additional three storey pop-up, and without any non-market seniors housing.

So it now has 111 condos proposed, rather than 110 in the rezoning version that was rejected by City Council after many night of Public Hearing. It has a Development Permit Board date penciled in for October.

Oh good! I hated that top 3 storey add on
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2017, 4:46 AM
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Oh good! I hated that top 3 storey add on
I totally agree. As much as I like taller buildings, I'm not such a fan of the Chinatown towers that look great (fit in) at the lower levels, but have a modern tower tacked on up top.

What I like about the current scheme for 105 Keefer is that it genuinely looks like four separate/distinct buildings that fit in with the surrounding area.
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2017, 8:31 PM
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Well, when you are walking along that section of Main Street with the 3 new developments, it looks and feels exactly like a mid rise street. With the tower section set back, the tower section is unnoticeable from street level. So i say let the tower section go much higher if it gives us an opportunity to bring more social housing units on line.
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2017, 9:01 PM
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A monument to the power of misleading information

Sigh... such a wasted opportunity. I hope those that were creative with the truth and misled some in the community to believe this site could be purchased by the city and transformed into shelter rate social housing really feel good about what they've accomplished. Playing petty political games with social housing is beyond the pale.

My hope is that at least now the site at Union and Main will get the support it deserves. It might be taller than what 105 Keefer was originally proposed at, but at least no one can trot out the excuse about a nearby park or memorial being disrespected.

Plus, if Union and Main doesn't get scaled back, maybe that means the city can actually get some real density at their project on the Viaduct lands. This would either allow them to build more affordable housing on that location, or at least generate funds to build on others sites.
Ah, who am I kidding, the groups that lead the opposition to 105 Keefer will continue their games, and we'll be lucky to see any help for those who need homes/shelter being provided from this neighbourhood going forward.
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but at least no one can trot out the excuse about a nearby park or memorial being disrespected.
Lol, what about Jimmy's shrine?
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2017, 9:25 PM
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A couple shots of 288 East Hastings, my pics.
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2017, 3:21 AM
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288 East Hastings Aug.12, my pic:
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Nice. What a change from the normal shades of blue, green and grey.
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There's a new Chinatown project for the Chinatown Supermarket site at 239 Keefer. Three storey commercial podium and 25 condos. More here.

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Old Posted Aug 28, 2017, 11:57 PM
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Looks great, the anti development Chinatown brigade is out against it already though.
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2017, 5:23 AM
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Looks great, the anti development Chinatown brigade is out against it already though.
what are they complaining about? i don't see anything wrong with it???
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2017, 6:03 AM
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How much is wasted with these narrow lots

What I don't understand about these groups that come out against these projects, is why they are so intent on hurting the interests of the people they claim to represent. How is forcing the city to make policy that would require a neighbourhood to consist of only squat, skinny, low density buildings ever going to help with the housing affordability/supply crisis?

They cry out for affordable housing, yet demand narrow lots (like this one) which necessitate the inclusion of a car elevator; Something which is neither a beacon of sustainability nor affordability. Once again, another project makes the best of a bad situation and manages to provide retail and office space, along with 25 homes (6 that have two bedrooms) spread over a residential area of 16,000 sf.
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2017, 6:07 AM
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Understand your POV. But car elevators aren't that fancy unless you have Bentleys and supercars getting shuffled up and down them.
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2017, 2:24 PM
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It's pretty bland, but not terrible. I'm happy that it is narrow retail units.
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Old Posted Aug 31, 2017, 5:26 AM
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105 Keefer Open House + Comparison Slide (This time in the right thread)



Speaking of tragic mistakes, here's some info highlighting the differences between the original, taller, 105 Keefer that provided social housing, and the new version; it is the best it can be, after the anti-growth activists' "victory".From what I hear, these group and some others in the neighbourhood are pushing hard to to get the city to force a land swap, or to give Beedie enough social pressure to donate the land. Obviously the limited funds the COV has would be better spent on providing social housing on a site already owned by the city, and it's unfair to ask Beedie to eat all the costs they've incurred and start fresh, or even not at all.

On a positive note, both the senior's cultural space and the pedestrian passageways are kept in this version. There will be an open house on September 5th at the Chinese Cultural Centre Auditorium (50 East Pender), which I suspect will see a big presence of these anti-growth groups. Of course attending a meeting and voicing support on a comment card is best, but if you want you can email [email protected]. and let the city know what you think about this proposal.
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2017, 6:28 AM
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105 Keefer DA Open/Mad House









Finally at about 6:30pm the staff could get the boards back up.



















I attended what should have been an open house for 105 Keefer tonight, but this honestly came off more as a rally against the project. I arrived about 30 minutes into the open house to see about 3 dozen people chanting, yelling through a megaphone, and carrying banners. The model at this point was already covered with a protest banner, and of course there were a couple perspective far left city council candidates on hand for their photo op.

What transpired over the next hour was something that starts with an "s," is four letters long, and doesn't rhyme with "Gong Show." About 15 minutes after I arrived, the megaphone was put down and the group proceeded to make a circle around the covered model, forcing anyone from the general public away from even the information boards. They began to walk circles around the covered model. They rattled noise makers and chanted a demand for immediate housing, and how Beedie is hiding and intimidated by them. There were a couple of other slogans as well, but it was difficult to interpret as the whole process was loud and garbled.

In short, there was no way for the general public to access the information boards or the models through the ring of people. After roughly 30 minutes of this, the project info boards were taken down, and even city staff admitted that things had escalated beyond their expectation. While city security was there, no action was taken against the "protesters." Frankly, if the police had been called it probably would have played into this group's hands, as everything was being taped with phones and even a shoulder camera.

Close to 6:30 things simmered down enough that it was possible for staff to put the boards back up, and even uncover the model, though occasionally someone would high-jack the auditoriums PA system. While this was going on food (from Flotilla) was provided for the open house attendees, though within minutes of it being made available it was gone, with some from the rally out-right dumping the trays of food into their bags.

As for information about the project, I honestly wasn't able to glean much, other than what is already public; There simply wasn't an opportunity for the average person to engage with the city or project staff. If I sound jaded about this experience, it's frankly because I am. This is Vancouver, and people protest here all the time. That is expected, and often healthy, leading to ideas being put forward and projects being improved. However, this instance was not that. My opinion is that this has become a simple intimidation movement that has no concern with what they claim to advocate. I would be horrified if the development board further encourages these people with their horrible tactics by denying this project. Their voices need to be heard, but not at the expense of silencing anyone that disagrees with them. Again, I'm admittedly jaded about this subject, but it really was a surreal experience for an open house, even as a member of the public.
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2017, 6:32 AM
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WTF do these people want!?!
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2017, 7:23 AM
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WTF do these people want!?!
low density social housing only and handouts from the city and developers on every lot apparently. they should move to a communist country if they want that.
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