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Old Posted Jul 25, 2017, 11:14 AM
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Never seen those stations...
That particular station is about half way between the airport and Downtown, and is so deep there's only elevators down to the platform. Seattle makes a good comparison to the confederation line. Their platforms are identically sized and it's highly (though not completely) grade separated. Things a really liked was the free fare zone downtown, and having buses in the tunnel was actually not a bad idea. The train ran about every 10ish minutes when i was there, and moving around downtown you could simply hop a bus to the next station rather then waiting. Despite buses and trains in the tunnel, Seattle doesn't seem to share our obsession of removing all buses on the surface downtown and actually ran a fairly long transit mall about one street south of the tunnel that also made it easy to move around.
     
     
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but I can't ever recall being on a "low floor" subway... and I've been on many, many dozen.
You can check out the Prémetro in Brussels, and the Rouen Metro for some overseas examples, too.
     
     
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The reason why low floor subways are not popular is simply history. Low floor trains are relatively recent designs and most subways were built before they were created. It is almost impossible to retrofit a subway to move from high floor trains to low floor trains so as equipment is replaced, the transit authority simply buys more high floor trains.
     
     
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The reason why low floor subways are not popular is simply history. Low floor trains are relatively recent designs and most subways were built before they were created. It is almost impossible to retrofit a subway to move from high floor trains to low floor trains so as equipment is replaced, the transit authority simply buys more high floor trains.
Also capacity - low floor vehicles have to take space for wheel wells, so all things being equal that have lower capacity.
     
     
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Not sure if this was posted, but the city posted a page yesterday with a summary of the stations, their designs and the art that will be displayed in or around the stations: http://ottawa.ca/en/news/o-train-confede...te-art-design-and-distinctive-public-art
     
     
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Not sure if this was posted, but the city posted a page yesterday with a summary of the stations, their designs and the art that will be displayed in or around the stations: http://ottawa.ca/en/news/o-train-confede...te-art-design-and-distinctive-public-art
For seven million dollars, I will pile a million dollars in a heap, set it on fire, call it art, give the city back a million dollars (you're welcome for saving a million dollars), and keep the rest as a modest fee.
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Yeah I'm not a big fan of the art pieces at the different stations... SO much money went into it, I would've rather get something nice and a bit colorful but way cheaper and keep the other few millions to pay for later phases or to may for heaters at stations (but perhaps that's just my opinion).

Also find it funny how Rideau Station, which is supposed to be the hub of the arts/shopping/theatre district, has nothing creative or vibrant at all.. instead it gets a painted black ceiling?
     
     
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1% for art makes sense for smallish projects where you get something to brighten up the area. It makes no sense for major projects.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2017, 8:14 PM
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Wow, these are craptastic!

CBD stations, which should look clean and professional, are way to bright and colourful in contrast to Rideau, which is supposed to have a "Gallery" theme. I mean the glass wall is supposed to be art? What's the black thing? Falls way short.

I was looking forward to the release of the designs and art work, but now I'm disappointed.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2017, 11:35 PM
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City reveals art concepts for LRT stations, total cost to exceed $7M

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: July 25, 2017 | Last Updated: July 25, 2017 4:52 PM EDT


The city has revealed concepts for $7.3-million worth of art pieces that will be installed in the 13 Confederation Line LRT stations, showcasing the works of local talent and internationally renowned artists.

A municipal public art policy compels the city to contribute one per cent of hard construction costs to a public art account. With a $2.1-billion budget to build the first phase of LRT, the city has a big pot of money from which to fund artwork along the 12.5-kilometre line.

Instead of holding an unveiling ceremony as previously anticipated, the city listed the art projects on its website earlier this week.

Here’s what the transit-riding public will encounter when their trains roll into the stations starting next year.

Tunney’s Pasture

Vancouver artist Derek Root will integrate glass tile murals on each side of the platform, plus a laminated glass skylight, in artwork he calls Gradient Space. Cost: $495,000.

Bayview

The city attached the artistic theme of “sustainability” to the station.

Ottawa artist Adrian Göllner will create a 120-metre-long piece called As the Crow Files, which will be used as the barrier between tracks through the station. Made with tubular steel and fencing, the work will feature the silhouette of surrounding buildings and the Gatineau Hills and the flight line of a crow. Cost: $495,000.

The city has tapped Toronto artist Pierre Poussin to create laser-cut aluminum sculptures outside the station. The work, called Cascades, draws context from the Chaudiere Falls on the Ottawa River and adds the visual element of water, symbolizing new communities growing in the area. Cost: $200,000.

Pimisi (LeBreton Flats)

Several Indigenous artists will be involved in creating pieces that celebrate the Algonquin-Anishinabe people.

Nadia Myre of Montreal will design an eight-metre-tall chrome sculpture of an eel in the adjacent aqueduct. Pimisi means eel in the Algonquin language and it’s culturally significant for the Algonquin people. Myre will also design a three-metre sculpture of a split-ash woven basket and a windscreen made out of tinted glazed panels appearing like a row of birch trees. Cost: $740,000.

Algonquin artist Simon Brascoupé of Ottawa will mentor four artists — Emily Brascoupé-Hoefler, Doreen Stevens, Sherry-Ann Rodgers and Sylvia Tennisco — in creating an art installation of 100 hand-painted paddles arranged in the shape of a canoe. The paddles will be created through workshops held in Algonquin communities in the region. Brascoupé will also create a 3.7-metre-high sculpture of a moose and other artists will contribute pieces using the art of Algonquin birch bark biting. Cost: $296,000.

Lyon

The artwork This Image Relies on Positive Thinking by Calgary artist Geoff McFetridge will be applied to walls near the station entrances using a two-part epoxy paint and an anti-graffiti coating. His art will speak to the “house of cards” nature of living in a city. Cost: $595,000.

To recognize the station theme of Bytown, PLANT Architect will pay homage to Ottawa’s history with a stainless steel curtain laser cut with words from The Last Days of Bytown written by Anne Dewar, who was part of the Women’s Canadian Historical Society. The piece celebrates the 32 women who founded the society in 1898. Cost: $200,000.

Parliament

Using the theme of Confederation, Vancouver artist Douglas Coupland will create a piece, installed on a concrete wall, of provincial flags deconstructed into colourful abstract laser-cut quarter-inch metal shapes with a powder coat finish. In his explanation of the concept on the city’s website, Coupland said he has modified the flags in a way “of the 2017 moment and yet which is also graphically timeless in a Modernist way.” Cost: $595,000.

In her artwork Trails: home and away, Jennifer Stead of Florenceville-Bristol, NB will create 11 laser-cut painted steel panels, nine feet tall by 20 feet long, depicting the small, low growing plants that line the paths and trails across Canada. Cost: $200,000.



Rideau

Geneviève Cadieux of Montreal will create a photographic image featuring shimmering water printed on glass on one of the concourse walls. The work, called FLOW, will evoke the significance of the Rideau Canal, which is near the station. Cost: $595,000.

Toronto artist Jim Verburg will create a artwork with seven black tiled sections that contain geometric shaped outlines made of polished stainless steel rods. It will be reminiscent of blueprints, sketches, and architectural drawings. Cost: $200,000.



uOttawa

Themed “innovation” by the city, the station will feature the work of Calgary artist Derek Michael Besant. He plans to create 37 large-scale portraits, purposely out of focus, based on cross-sections of people who frequent the university environment. Each black-and-white portrait will have an English or French word as potential reflections in the viewers’ individual lives.

Kenneth Emig of Ottawa will create Sphere Field, a two-meter cube of mirror and glass containing lights and a reflective sphere forming a “sculptural observator.” Cost: $200,000.

Lees

Ottawa artist Amy Thompson will create Transparent Passage, which will be layered patterns on glass and sculptural elements of a bird in flight. The artwork will line the westbound multi-use path and be visible from the eastbound train platform. Cost: $295,000.



Hurdman

Coordinated Movement by Vancouver artist Jill Anholt will be a painted metal structure suspended from the station walls, mimicking flight patterns of birds. The area of the Rideau River is along the Atlantic Flyway of migrating water fowl. Cost: $495,000.



Tremblay

Toronto artist Jyhling Lee will create National Garden, a sculptural plaza canopy of the official flowers from each province, territory and the City of Ottawa. Mirrored-finish stainless steel panels will be installed under the glass canopy connecting the LRT and Via Rail stations. Cost: $345,000.



St. Laurent

Andrew Morrow of Chelsea, Que. will paint three large, immersive murals depicting “re-imagined” Canadian histories. He will use digital printing technology and paint to create the works at two platforms. Cost: $345,000.



Cyrville

Don Maynard of Kingston, Ont. will create Stand of Birch, which is 13 slender stainless steel birch trees, measuring 7.3 metres tall and surrounded by prairie grasses. The sculpture will be installed at the north end of the station platform. The 13 trees represents the 13 LRT stations in the first phase, symbolizing the “coming-together” of people as they travel across Ottawa. Cost: $295,000

Blair

Lightscape by cj fleury of Ottawa and Catherine Widgery of Montreal will be inspired by the sunrise and will feature 30 suspended screens of binary code-like pieces. The artwork will “announce the stairwells and tracks and move in response to the air currents of the trains as they come and go.” Cost: $495,000

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Old Posted Jul 26, 2017, 12:20 AM
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One of those artists kinda jumped out at me for having done some recent work in Ottawa.

Jill Anholt, who is providing artwork for Hurdman station, also did the sculpture "Moving Surfaces" at Lansdowne Park: http://www.jillanholt.ca/Moving-Surfaces
     
     
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It's not that I mind the spending on art. I think it's important to keep the city attractive. But for me, I question the value of what they are getting here.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 26, 2017, 12:51 AM
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Wow, pretty banal and simplistic works. I'm embarrassed as a resident and ticked-off as a taxpayer. And the prices!! Why does it seem like we're paying 10x the actual cost of producing most of these projects? Printed murals, tinted glass, and painted metal does not cost this much, even with a generous artist's fee. Talk about a payday for these people!
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 26, 2017, 1:20 AM
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I always marvel at the art installations in the Montreal metro.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 26, 2017, 1:53 AM
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It s good that these are not after thoughts.

Art is no cheaper than structure.

And those who think they should do it for "exposure" should ask those engineers to do the designing of the LRT for "exposure" as well.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 26, 2017, 4:25 AM
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It s good that these are not after thoughts.

Art is no cheaper than structure.

And those who think they should do it for "exposure" should ask those engineers to do the designing of the LRT for "exposure" as well.
Who said anything about "exposure"?

My complaint is on quality and value for money. I see failure on both fronts. I don't even mind them spending double or even triple what they spent if they actually put up stuff that was decent.

Look at what they have for Cyrville. I'm not impressed that I'll have to see that every day. And even less impressed that it cost them $300k. They could have saved the $300k and it wouldn't have made a difference to me. If you're going to put up art, make sure it's decent enough that it actually adds noticeable value to the user experience.
     
     
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They've spent $4 million on Kontinuum and nobody seems to be complaining, and that's just a temporary 3 month show in one site, made with cheap tarps, scaffolding and plastic. These pieces of art are permanent in 13 locations. There's actually a lot of engineering involved in these art pieces which are subject to serious liability issues if they are not structurally sound or not made of the proper materials, which is probably the main reason behind the seemingly high cost. A lot of these renderings are so conceptual and usually end up evolving (for better or worse) after the engineering work.

The way things are these days, if one of these pieces falls apart, causes damage and injures or kills someone, everyone from the artist to the engineers, fabricators and the city gets sued. Factor in some liability insurance in there, too.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 26, 2017, 1:27 PM
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Art is an incredibly subjective topic, if you don't like it you automatically lower the value. As for me, some of these things look interesting, others not so much, and the jury is still out on things like the flags at parliament unless I see it in person. I do like the general fact though that we're going with big and bold art in a lot of the stations like you'd see in new stations in Europe, rather than some little "art piece" in the corner which is the typical North American standard
     
     
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I like the idea of having art in the LRT stations, but maybe they could have used the money to fully enclose the stations instead!?! I really don't understand how we ended up with stations that are only partially enclosed with glass in a northerly climate famous for snowstorms and icestorms?!?
     
     
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I like the idea of having art in the LRT stations, but maybe they could have used the money to fully enclose the stations instead!?! I really don't understand how we ended up with stations that are only partially enclosed with glass in a northerly climate famous for snowstorms and icestorms?!?
they don't want bums hanging out in them.
     
     
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