Canadian City Proposals - Page 427

WhipperSnapper · #**8521** Posted **Jul 14, 2017, 5:00 PM**

It's a pretty good attempt at what they were aiming for. I both like it and dislike it.

WhipperSnapper · #**8522** Posted **Jul 14, 2017, 5:01 PM**

Good to see River Landing well into construction too.

christmas · #**8523** Posted **Jul 14, 2017, 7:03 PM**

Wow, Montreal seems to be getting the best quality buildings in all of Canada at the moment.
Really jealous.

Martin Mtl · #**8524** Posted **Jul 14, 2017, 7:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by christmas

Wow, Montreal seems to be getting the best quality buildings in all of Canada at the moment.
Really jealous.

Vancouver House disagree with you.

The Four Seasons does look amazing.

Mrs Sauga · #**8525** Posted **Jul 15, 2017, 4:07 AM**

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Originally Posted by christmas

Wow, Montreal seems to be getting the best quality buildings in all of Canada at the moment.
Really jealous.

That building is excellent and so are others... but have you seen the Griffintown buildings?

christmas · #**8526** Posted **Jul 15, 2017, 5:13 AM**

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Originally Posted by Martin Mtl

Vancouver House disagree with you.

The Four Seasons does look amazing.

VH is a break to Vancouver's monotonous skyline, but it's been years since we've seen a building of such quality. They're rare here, unlike Montreal.

christmas · #**8527** Posted **Jul 15, 2017, 5:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by Mrs Sauga

That building is excellent and so are others... but have you seen the Griffintown buildings?

That's what I'm saying. Montreal's recent developments resemble New York's high-rise and low-rise developments -- most of which employ a decent design with excellent materials.

Meanwhile, Vancouver and Toronto are getting spandrelated to hell. Vancouver developments have even lost their west coast identity which gave a unique vibe to the city.

And yes, I've seen the Griffintown buildings. I follow all Canadian regional forums.

osmo · #**8528** Posted **Jul 15, 2017, 6:43 AM**

Montreal does have much better overall design. When it's bad there though.... Yikes. But the mean of quality is great I'm a fan of the 4 Seasons design.

PhilippeMtl · #**8529** Posted **Jul 15, 2017, 12:34 PM**

Maybe the grass is always greener on the other side but I think Montreal is trailing in term of quality, we are behind all the other major Canadian cities.

p_xavier · #**8530** Posted **Jul 15, 2017, 1:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by PhilippeMtl

Maybe the grass is always greener on the other side but I think Montreal is trailing in term of quality, we are behind all the other major Canadian cities.

Desogn-wise it's questionable but for actual build quality, Montreal is top notch for its buildings. Maybe lessons learned from the 60s...

Martin Mtl · #**8531** Posted **Jul 15, 2017, 1:52 PM**

Spandrel-heavy highrises are depressing, but so is the grey concrete panel stuff that some Montreal developpers seem to love so much. At least we get a lot of curtain walls on the large highrises downtown. That's always a relief.

The Four Seasons is costing a fortune, so I expect very high quality material. The glass at the Ilot Balmoral is also amazing so far.

GeneralLea · #**8532** Posted **Jul 15, 2017, 1:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by d_jeffrey

Design-wise it's questionable but for actual build quality, Montreal is top notch for its buildings. Maybe lessons learned from the 60s...

I can see that...from the Trans-Canada Highway stretch in Montreal, the building quality is unremarkable. Plenty of beat up buildings...but moreso there's been a severe lack of improvement of the area, especially the residential areas. I don't see much rejuvenation going on...maybe near the airport.

Martin Mtl · #**8533** Posted **Jul 15, 2017, 2:05 PM**

What city have remarkable buildings along its highway strech and near the airports ?

osmo · #**8534** Posted **Jul 15, 2017, 2:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by GeneralLeeTPHLS

I can see that...from the Trans-Canada Highway stretch in Montreal, the building quality is unremarkable. Plenty of beat up buildings...but moreso there's been a severe lack of improvement of the area, especially the residential areas. I don't see much rejuvenation going on...maybe near the airport.

With new builds this isn't that case.

Montreal has faded and crumbing concrete all over, lots of old buildings need Renovation. New stuff though much of it is quite tasteful. There little midrise apartments for instance all look better than what Toronto is building.

GreaterMontréal · #**8535** Posted **Jul 15, 2017, 2:51 PM**

the Trans-Canada is the A-40 and the Met. maybe he was talking about the A-40 in Parc-Extension

GeneralLea · #**8536** Posted **Jul 15, 2017, 3:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal

the Trans-Canada is the A-40 and the Met. maybe he was talking about the A-40 in Parc-Extension

Not many cities do have great areas near highways. I'm not trying to bash Montreal, it's a great city. Here, I mean this stretch:

https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.5582846,-...BBzg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0

I think my previous post was mostly based on this stretch...:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.5630919,-...aOlQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0
https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.5374414,-...0OUw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0
https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.5654664,-...cZbQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0
This is near a cousin of Residence de Soliel..not terrible but not great:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.5798696,-...pOoQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0

GreaterMontréal · #**8537** Posted **Jul 15, 2017, 3:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by GeneralLeeTPHLS

Not many cities do have great areas near highways. I'm not trying to bash Montreal, it's a great city. Here, I mean this stretch:

https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.5582846,-...BBzg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0

I think my previous post was mostly based on this stretch...:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.5630919,-...aOlQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0
https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.5654664,-...cZbQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0
This is near a cousin of Residence de Soliel..not terrible but not great:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.5798696,-...pOoQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0

that's what I thought, that's in Villeray-Saint-Michel-Parc-Extension. not the richest part of Montréal

Villeray is not that bad though

you're in triplex country in that part of town.

WhipperSnapper · #**8538** Posted **Jul 15, 2017, 4:17 PM**

Thank goodness Montreal doesn't use window wall. There are standouts like every other city but, on average, they are behind Vancouver, Toronto on architectural quality.

Laceoflight · #**8539** Posted **Jul 15, 2017, 4:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by GeneralLeeTPHLS

Not many cities do have great areas near highways. I'm not trying to bash Montreal, it's a great city. Here, I mean this stretch:

https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.5582846,-...BBzg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0

I think my previous post was mostly based on this stretch...:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.5630919,-...aOlQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0
https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.5374414,-...0OUw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0
https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.5654664,-...cZbQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0
This is near a cousin of Residence de Soliel..not terrible but not great:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.5798696,-...pOoQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0

Yeah, the stretch of Métropolitain A40, "east" of Saint-Denis, is not... rejoicing. But we have to keep in mind that the pre-existing older parts of Villeray were demolished to create this corridor. The major demolitions that the City of Montreal has done in the 1960s in order to build its highway system pushed nearly 200 000 people out of the city on a 2-decade period. The doughnut effect at its paroxysm. Thus the A40 corridor did not become a "magnet" in this context of decline. Nowadays, Villeray is gentrifying, but Saint-Michel is still a poor area. And further east, around Clockzilla's little sibling, we're in Saint-Léonard, a mushroom city that went from a few hundreds people in 1960 to more than 52 000 in 1971. The development there was... uncontrolled. And it's still far from downtown.

GeneralLea · #**8540** Posted **Jul 15, 2017, 4:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by Laceoflight

Yeah, the stretch of Métropolitain A40, "east" of Saint-Denis, is not... rejoicing. But we have to keep in mind that the pre-existing older parts of Villeray were demolished to create this corridor. The major demolitions that the City of Montreal has done in the 1960s in order to build its highway system pushed nearly 200 000 people out of the city on a 2-decade period. The doughnut effect at its paroxysm. Thus the A40 corridor did not become a "magnet" in this context of decline. Nowadays, Villeray is gentrifying, but Saint-Michel is still a poor area. And further east, around Clockzilla's little sibling, we're in Saint-Léonard, a mushroom city that went from a few hundreds people in 1960 to more than 52 000 in 1971. The development there was... uncontrolled. And it's still far from downtown.

Thanks for the explanation.

I gotta say Montreal is a wonderful city...and is definitely becoming a really great hub of activity. I didn't havr the chance to see Montreal for myself yet (I just passed by it on the A40)...but definitely I can see through this site how the city is improving. (Btw...Montreal has some neat office parks near the airport. There's some hits and misses in terms of design..but it's better then the office parks of Mississauga and Toronto...which are conservative yet unattractive at worst.