BC Political Discussion - BC Election 2017 May 9th

[Caliplanner1]

Originally Posted by Stingray2004

Look. You are from California. You now show up in this thread outta the blue. You have no understanding of BC politics. And you recite ideological left-wing rhetoric irrelevant to this thread. And then ya quote Marx and said ideology up-thread.

You are nothing more than a troll attempting to pollute this thread. Why don't you just f@#k-off? Honestly, I have zero-tolerance for internet garbage akin to yourself. You need to be flushed down the internet toilet.

PS. Go crawl back under the rock where you came from.

I'm from California,...but I'm now a Canadian. in fact I've lived in Canada (on and off) from the late 60's.......so what's your point? You sound like an ignorant Trumpist. Your rude/disjointed comment above just goes to show how intellectually slow, insecure and out of control you are.....like a president I know south of the border....LOL. HAPPY CANADA DAY!!!

[Caliplanner1]

Originally Posted by Stingray2004

Oh come on. You are from France (originally from Van City). You enjoy discussing online politics with fascist FN types in France? Doubt it.

Sorry. I have zero tolerance from folk, outside BC, that attempt to pollute/interrupt this thread with either Marxist or fascist rhetoric. Are not from BC. Do not understand BC politics. And their entire M.O. is obvious just to pollute/interrupt this thread.

Definition of "internet troll".

...LOL...but you don't mind when we powerful Americans come up to Canada and tell you that your socialized medicine or government subsidized tertiary educational system are wasteful manifestations of communism/socialism etc. or to influence your tiny/vulnerable market with our massive global U.S. corporations....because a few of us Canadian here are blinded by the vaunted traditional Anglo-American right wing rhetoric of endless personal greed....am I right? HAPPY CANADA DAY!!! EH??

[Stingray2004]

Originally Posted by Caliplanner1

I'm from California,...but I'm now a Canadian. in fact I've lived in Canada (on and off) from the late 60's.......so what's your point? You sound like an ignorant Trumpist. Your rude/disjointed comment above just goes to show how intellectually slow, insecure and out of control you are.....like a president I know south of the border....LOL.

Unequivocally, I can categorically state that you are nothing more than a fringe Marxist rogue. Again, I have zero tolerance for your ilk/idiots. Quit trolling this thread and go crawl back under your rock.

PS. For 1st time in 13 years, I will personally DM a moderator as a result of your trolling conduct herein.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Stingray2004

Oh come on. You are from France (originally from Van City). You enjoy discussing online politics with fascist FN types in France? Doubt it.

Sorry. I have zero tolerance from folk, outside BC, that attempt to pollute/interrupt this thread with either Marxist or fascist rhetoric. Are not from BC. Do not understand BC politics. And their entire M.O. is obvious just to pollute/interrupt this thread.

Definition of "internet troll".

You're entitled to your your opinions, like everyone else.
All I'm saying is, please try to be a bit less crude, rude, and boorish about it.

[Stingray2004]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

You're entitled to your your opinions, like everyone else.
All I'm saying is, please try to be a bit less crude, rude, and boorish about it.

If you now condone trolling, then you are an idiot as well. Crude, rude, and boorish? Pffft. Are you now saying that you are a fascist FN supporter in France?

Why is it that after all this time since I started this thread, fringe political creeps are now crawling out of the woodwork?

[sunsetmountainland]

Originally Posted by Caliplanner1

LOL...so tell us "old timer"....was housing (especially single family dwellings) during the NDP's tenure of the 1990's more unaffordable than it is now?

What the fuck are you talking about? B.C. Did not have an economy in the 1990s people moved to Alberta to find jobs. Glen Clark, Moe Sahota, Dave Stupich fucked up the province for years!

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Stingray2004

If you now condone trolling, then you are an idiot as well. Crude, rude, and boorish? Pffft. Are you now saying that you are a fascist FN supporter in France?

Why is it that after all this time since I started this thread, fringe political creeps are now crawling out of the woodwork?

I do not condone trolling, nor do I have any regard for the FN in France.
All I'm asking you to do is clean up your act when commenting

[Stingray2004]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

I do not condone trolling, nor do I have any regard for the FN in France.
All I'm asking you to do is clean up your act when commenting

Sorry. I started this thread. I have zero tolerance for trolls. And I am VERY straight-forward. I suggest that you should also not condone trolling as well - which you are obviously now doing.

Ergo, I suggest that you clean up your own posting act. Seriously.

PS. We are now seeing the outcome of trolling - "flame wars", which is the intent of trolls.

[Caliplanner1]

Originally Posted by Stingray2004

Unequivocally, I can categorically state that you are nothing more than a fringe Marxist rogue. Again, I have zero tolerance for your ilk/idiots. Quit trolling this thread and go crawl back under your rock.

PS. For 1st time in 13 years, I will personally DM a moderator as a result of your trolling conduct herein.

...so how would you define yourself (with all your questionable anger/emotional rants here)? Would define yourself as a calm/rational intellectual or someone who is insecure and unable to coherently defend an argument based on facts/data etc.?

It seems that trolling only occurs when you don't like a line of reasoning....and (like rigid Marxists) you then desire to censure dissent (in favor of right wing rhetoric) by appealing to a forum moderator to seize one's 1st amendment right to civil dialogue.......how democratic and "CANADIAN" of you (as a function of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms)!

[Stingray2004]

Originally Posted by Caliplanner1

...so how would you define yourself (with all your questionable anger/emotional rants here)? Would define yourself as a calm/rational intellectual or someone who is insecure and unable to coherently defend an argument based on facts/data etc.?

It seems that trolling only occurs when you don't like a line of reasoning....and (like rigid Marxists) you then desire to censure dissent (in favor of right wing rhetoric) by appealing to a forum moderator to seize one's 1st amendment right to civil dialogue.......how democratic and "CANADIAN" of you (as a function of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms)!

Y-O-U are an I-D-I-O-T. Go look up the definition.

Good-bye troll!

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by sunsetmountainland

What the fuck are you talking about? B.C. Did not have an economy in the 1990s people moved to Alberta to find jobs. Glen Clark, Moe Sahota, Dave Stupich fucked up the province for years!

After the Liberals came in in 2001 the company I was with got half of its business cut (because the Liberals put a freeze on external contractors) and that lead directly to the company shutting down. I not only left BC because of this, I left Canada.

So yeah, you can say "1990s people moved to Alberta to find jobs", well in 2001 I moved to the US to find a job because of the BC Liberals.

Edit: by the way, BC's GDP did no better or no worse under the NDP than it did under the Socreds before them or the Liberals after them. So this whole "BC did not have an economy" statement is pure nonsense.

[sunsetmountainland]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

After the Liberals came in in 2001 the company I was with got half of its business cut (because the Liberals put a freeze on external contractors) and that lead directly to the company shutting down. I not only left BC because of this, I left Canada.

So yeah, you can say "1990s people moved to Alberta to find jobs", well in 2001 I moved to the US to find a job because of the BC Liberals.

Edit: by the way, BC's GDP did no better or no worse under the NDP than it did under the Socreds before them or the Liberals after them. So this whole "BC did not have an economy" statement is pure nonsense.

It is completely true my statement. If the N.D.P. did not get in we would not have this discussion. Either way economics in the 1990 is different than in the 2000's! It takes time to fix the destruction of the N.D.P government and policies.

The fact the liberal government was cutting free loaders of the N.D.P. is a good example of proper financial decisions. If you are part of the problem then they took the proper decisions to a solution.

[Pinion]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

After the Liberals came in in 2001 the company I was with got half of its business cut (because the Liberals put a freeze on external contractors) and that lead directly to the company shutting down. I not only left BC because of this, I left Canada.

So yeah, you can say "1990s people moved to Alberta to find jobs", well in 2001 I moved to the US to find a job because of the BC Liberals.

Edit: by the way, BC's GDP did no better or no worse under the NDP than it did under the Socreds before them or the Liberals after them. So this whole "BC did not have an economy" statement is pure nonsense.

More recently, thousands of middle/working class people have left Metro Vancouver/BC because they can no longer afford it, which puts a drag on the economy - especially since the new multimillionaire class isn't fond of working in Canada, or paying their fair share of taxes. Once housing collapses, it all collapses, and the BC Liberals and Harper Conservatives are to blame. There's no way to fix it now, it had to be prevented.

[Stingray2004]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

So yeah, you can say "1990s people moved to Alberta to find jobs", well in 2001 I moved to the US to find a job because of the BC Liberals.

Edit: by the way, BC's GDP did no better or no worse under the NDP than it did under the Socreds before them or the Liberals after them. So this whole "BC did not have an economy" statement is pure nonsense.

Man. Spare the political rhetoric. Numerous folk I know in the construction trades left BC for Texas, California, and Alberta, etc. sending cheques back home to their families here in BC back in the 1990's.

Then enviro minister Moe Sihota deliberately interfered in my dad's 60-acre development project due to NDP politics. As a result, my dad shut the thing down and went to develop residential banked lands in La Jolla, CA as a result.

Thereafter, officials within BC Ministry of Environment asked my dad if they were going to be sued as a result of unlawful conduct of Sihota. Seriously. What a shit show that was. Other BC companies left for WA State and Alberta.

My spouse - she graduated from her RN program in early 2001 and went directly to Miami as a result. I can go on and on... but what's the point?

50,000 folk left BC in the latter half of the 1990's.

By 2000, Ipsos had its lowest historical point ever in terms of "is the economy good" question - ~20%.

By 2000, BC had record low consumer confidence levels.

Between 1991 and 2001, for the first time ever, per capita disposable income decreased, and then only increased after 2001.

Hell, even Statistics Canada called the 1990's BC NDP gov't... :

The 1990s: A "lost decade"

After leading Canada's economic growth from 1984 to 1990, British Columbia fell behind in the 1990s. Real gross domestic product per capita fell from 8% above the average in the rest of Canada in 1992 to 8% below by 2002, after which it began to recover.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/060511/dq060511a-eng.htm

It's all a moot point though. After summer holiday season of July and August, the legislature will likely be prorogued and brought back after Labour Day weekend in September for a new Throne Speech and Budget.

With a 43 - 43 tie vote and s.43 of the BC Constitution Act barring a Speaker from voting on the Throne Speech, budgets, 3rd readings of bills, etc. ... Horgan will have no alternative but the request the LG for dissolution.

Back to a new election in September folks.

[sunsetmountainland]

Originally Posted by Pinion

More recently, thousands of middle/working class people have left Metro Vancouver/BC because they can no longer afford it, which puts a drag on the economy - especially since the new multimillionaire class isn't fond of working in Canada, or paying their fair share of taxes. Once housing collapses, it all collapses, and the BC Liberals and Harper Conservatives are to blame. There's no way to fix it now, it had to be prevented.

I would like you to share something important towards your debate. It is called facts! I understand you are a simple pinion who does not show interest in truthful information so I feel obligated to provide some facts. The Metro Vancouver area is growing.

http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/data/s...ommunity/population/population-estimates

I thank you for the drama queen opinions however!

[Caliplanner1]

Originally Posted by Stingray2004

Man. Spare the political rhetoric. Numerous folk I know in the construction trades left BC for Texas, California, and Alberta, etc. sending cheques back home to their families here in BC back in the 1990's.

Then enviro minister Moe Sihota deliberately interfered in my dad's 60-acre development project due to NDP politics. As a result, my dad shut the thing down and went to develop residential banked lands in La Jolla, CA as a result.

Thereafter, officials within BC Ministry of Environment asked my dad if they were going to be sued as a result of unlawful conduct of Sihota. Seriously. What a shit show that was. Other BC companies left for WA State and Alberta.

My spouse - she graduated from her RN program in early 2001 and went directly to Miami as a result. I can go on and on... but what's the point?

50,000 folk left BC in the latter half of the 1990's.

By 2000, Ipsos had its lowest historical point ever in terms of "is the economy good" question - ~20%.

By 2000, BC had record low consumer confidence levels.

Between 1991 and 2001, for the first time ever, per capita disposable income decreased, and then only increased after 2001.

Hell, even Statistics Canada called the 1990's BC NDP gov't... :

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/060511/dq060511a-eng.htm .

Ahh...an attempt as civil/rational discourse. So let me ask you this....given B.C.'s heavy dependence of the volatile primary/resource sector was its 90's economic downturn a function of falling GLOBAL commodity prices (much as is the case with Alberta's current oil driven economy) which in turn would force the B.C. government of the day to increase expensive social welfare funding/budgets in attempts to reduce unemployment/poverty etc.?

[Stingray2004]

Originally Posted by Caliplanner1

Ahh...an attempt as civil/rational discourse. So let me ask you this....given B.C.'s heavy dependence of the volatile primary/resource sector was its 90's economic downturn a function of falling GLOBAL commodity prices (much as is the case with Alberta's current oil driven economy) which in turn would force the B.C. government of the day to increase expensive social welfare funding/budgets in attempts to reduce unemployment/poverty etc.?

Hey. run along troll. I have already DMed a mod.

[Pinion]

Originally Posted by sunsetmountainland

I would like you to share something important towards your debate. It is called facts! I understand you are a simple pinion who does not show interest in truthful information so I feel obligated to provide some facts. The Metro Vancouver area is growing.

http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/data/s...ommunity/population/population-estimates

I thank you for the drama queen opinions however!

Vancouverites are being pushed east by multimillionaire Chinese. The least fortunate get pushed completely out, or leave for greener pastures. The facts back this up.



You're the one pushing pro-corruption propaganda for a city you don't even live in.

[Caliplanner1]

Originally Posted by Stingray2004

Hey. run along troll. I have already DMed a mod.

LOL...so emotional/childish! Totally incapable of a calm/rational dialogue.

[sunsetmountainland]

Originally Posted by Caliplanner1

Ahh...an attempt as civil/rational discourse. So let me ask you this....given B.C.'s heavy dependence of the volatile primary/resource sector was its 90's economic downturn a function of falling GLOBAL commodity prices (much as is the case with Alberta's current oil driven economy) which in turn would force the B.C. government of the day to increase expensive social welfare funding/budgets in attempts to reduce unemployment/poverty etc.?

I would say the economic agenda of the N.D.P. with fast ferries as well as Bingo gate. The decisions and corruption in government has never been close to being equal. It was not only a international embarressment we are still paying for the problems today.

The fact the Liberals have created the best employment record on history is fact to how we could have been if we did not have the N.D.P. in the 1990s