Paradox Hotel (1151 W Georgia) | 188m | 67 Fl | Completed

[rofina]

Originally Posted by bb1510

Probably not the Charleson, they're not a fan of the location. Most probably, they'll just move across the street to the Shangri-La. Have some friends there and visit pretty much every other week and the crowd who live there are generally really friendly and as well as a nice variety of kinds of people living there. Units there are much more usable and there's actually space for clothes. At the Trump, you literally have a 4-panel wardrobes (about 5-6 ft in width) in the master for suites up to 4m; ridiculous..

While the building initially was portrayed and marketed as I wouldn't say flashy, but more socialite crowd, it's anything but that. I really don't want to say this but the Chinese here are not well behaved; you literally feel like you're in China whereas those who live in the Shangri La tend to have more 'class' and an aura of elegance and I really don't want to discriminate or describe people in this way but that's the sort of feeling you get. It's really unfortunate because the staff here are extraordinary and my folks will definitely miss them.

On another note, here are the photos of the completed combination unit that was completely renovated:

http://kreelcreative.com/experience/coal-harbour-sub-penthouse-vancouver-bc/

Very nice finishes.

The low ceilings are a huge drag though.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by flipper316

Who leaves their doors open so strangers can see inside. So weird.

It's like the first Yaletown condos of the 90s when the HK arrivals would leave their garbage bags in the halls/stairs. People learn...eventually.

[Alex Mackinnon]

Originally Posted by flipper316

Who leaves their doors open so strangers can see inside. So weird.

It probably helps ventilation.

[bb1510]

Originally Posted by rofina

Very nice finishes.

The low ceilings are a huge drag though.

Yeah, you'd expect it since they spent over 650 bucks a square foot renovating it. Even though the ceilings were originally 9' for that floor, they dropped it down further for the pot lights, audio, and drop ceilings. Also, this designer used to work at Robert Ledingham Design

[casper]

Originally Posted by bb1510

Yeah, you'd expect it since they spent over 650 bucks a square foot renovating it. Even though the ceilings were originally 9' for that floor, they dropped it down further for the pot lights, audio, and drop ceilings. Also, this designer used to work at Robert Ledingham Design

Interesting piece of info from TRUMP financial disclosure. The branding on the building is worth more that $5M. Is that as a branding fee?

DT Marks Vancouver LP
Type: License deal with West Georgia Development Limited Partnership and West Georgia Holdings Inc.
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Revenue: More than $5 million (royalties)

Source:
http://www.npr.org/2017/06/20/533575053/...pr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20170623

[s211]

Originally Posted by whatnext

It's like the first Yaletown condos of the 90s when the HK arrivals would leave their garbage bags in the halls/stairs. People learn...eventually.

Still happens more often than desired, believe it or not.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by whatnext

It's like the first Yaletown condos of the 90s when the HK arrivals would leave their garbage bags in the halls/stairs. People learn...eventually.

You really hate asian immigrants, don't you? Bear in mind that without them there wouldn't even be a Yaletown, Coal Harbour, etc. Perhaps an expansion of East Hastings all over downtown, with West End the premier neighbourhood, as more to your liking?

Originally Posted by flipper316

Who leaves their doors open so strangers can see inside. So weird.

A good strata should be able to take care of the undesirable traits and behaviours of tenants. People improve when stiff fines are imposed.

[retro_orange]

Originally Posted by Vin

You really hate asian immigrants, don't you? Bear in mind that without them there wouldn't even be a Yaletown, Coal Harbour, etc. Perhaps an expansion of East Hastings all over downtown, with West End the premier neighbourhood, as more to your liking?

Those places would all still exist, however development would have been slower and likely higher quality. Send oodles of people looking to launder money and you end up with a 'fast-cash built' crappy spandrel clad future slum.

Also if anything east Hastings would be less of what it is today because Vancouver wouldn't be as huge of a draw for vagrants from other cities looking for spare change from people with lots to spare.

Duh.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by retro_orange

Those places would all still exist, however development would have been slower and likely higher quality. Send oodles of people looking to launder money and you end up with a 'fast-cash built' crappy spandrel clad future slum.

Also if anything east Hastings would be less of what it is today because Vancouver wouldn't be as huge of a draw for vagrants from other cities looking for spare change from people with lots to spare.

Duh.

Duh? Well name a huge development achieved by a local development downtown in the past 40 years. Olympic Village? It happened way later there, and is the development higher quality?

[Pinion]

Originally Posted by Vin

You really hate asian immigrants, don't you? Bear in mind that without them there wouldn't even be a Yaletown, Coal Harbour, etc. Perhaps an expansion of East Hastings all over downtown, with West End the premier neighbourhood, as more to your liking?

Its great that you accuse someone else of being racist while impying that North American cities would just look like one big DTES without Chinese people. The rest of us are just incapable of building nice cities, right?

How much longer before this guy is banned? He ruins every thread he posts in.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Vin

Duh? Well name a huge development achieved by a local development downtown in the past 40 years. Olympic Village? It happened way later there, and is the development higher quality?

Carling Brewery Site. Arbutus Village in the Eighties. If it wasn't Concord it would have been someone else.

[Spr0ckets]

....well, that escalated quickly.

[WarrenC12]

$6M USD to get the Trump name off Toronto Trump tower:

http://business.financialpost.com/real-e...wcm/3e2d915e-2988-4fa3-9c42-47e7fa46c42c

So there's a price, and these guys thought it was worth it to get rid of that toxic name. Interesting, considering there will be millions more in re-branding.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

$6M USD to get the Trump name off Toronto Trump tower:

http://business.financialpost.com/real-e...wcm/3e2d915e-2988-4fa3-9c42-47e7fa46c42c

So there's a price, and these guys thought it was worth it to get rid of that toxic name. Interesting, considering there will be millions more in re-branding.

well that tower has had a lot of other issues that this one doesn't have... not really the same case.

[BobLoblawsLawBlog]

Originally Posted by Vin

You really hate asian immigrants, don't you? Bear in mind that without them there wouldn't even be a Yaletown, Coal Harbour, etc. Perhaps an expansion of East Hastings all over downtown, with West End the premier neighbourhood, as more to your liking?

>Implying the people that build those buildings are average Chinese immigrants and not extremely wealthy (likely corrupt) businesspeople

[mezzanine]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Carling Brewery Site. Arbutus Village in the Eighties. If it wasn't Concord it would have been someone else.

You can speculate on hypothetical alternate futures on vancouver, but IMO Li Ka Sheng and Concord Pacific had a substantial and overall positive effect on Vancouver's built environment today.

Real estate developer Peter Toigo, a close friend of Vander Zalm and the owner of the White Spot restaurant chain, pitched an idea in 1987 to buy part of the site so he could build a hotel, restaurant and theme park, using existing Expo 86 rides.

Vander Zalm told BIV that he initially wanted to sell the site in small chunks.

“I thought it should have been sold in blocks at different times to people locally. The breakup would have brought in more cash initially, but long term I think the decision [to sell the entire site to Hong Kong billionaire Li Ka-shing] was OK. We did all right.”

The BCEC board, headed by Brown, rejected the idea of selling separate pieces of the site. It embarked instead on a worldwide search to find the best prospective buyer for the entire site.
The board’s goal was to find a deep-pocketed bidder who could continue development regardless of economic downturns.

.....

City council at the time, however, was ecstatic that the entire site was sold in one piece and that the price was seen to be low, Price said, because it made it easier for city council to comprehensively rezone the site to create a new community. The low price for the site also allowed the city to extract more public benefits and amenities from Concord Pacific.

“It put the city in a very good negotiating position,” Price said, “if you could even call it negotiating.”

https://www.biv.com/article/2016/4/expo-effect-how-expo-86-changed-vancouver/

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

well that tower has had a lot of other issues that this one doesn't have... not really the same case.

What issues specific with renaming? Cause that's all they are doing.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by mezzanine

You can speculate on hypothetical alternate futures on vancouver, but IMO Li Ka Sheng and Concord Pacific had a substantial and overall positive effect on Vancouver's built environment today.



https://www.biv.com/article/2016/4/expo-effect-how-expo-86-changed-vancouver/

Selling it off in small chunks would have been way better as there would have been more architectural diversity. Now we have a wall of McChengs strung along the waterfront, with cladding aging to the colour of granny panties.

[mezzanine]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Selling it off in small chunks would have been way better as there would have been more architectural diversity. Now we have a wall of McChengs strung along the waterfront, with cladding aging to the colour of granny panties.

as opposed to what? A white spot and a "world-class" amusement park of 1986-era rides? crony capitalism with vander zalm giving small chunks of land to poorly-capitalized friends?

[Pinion]

Why are people assuming that 2017 Vancouver would have 1987 population levels without Concord Pacific? Yaletown would have been developed one way or the other.