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Old Posted Jun 27, 2017, 1:17 PM
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This type of gentrification has not worked in Vanier, except on the periphery where spillover gentrification from other neighborhoods has occurred. This is why the Sally Ann was able to acquire a large plot of land on a commercial street for 5 million.
Go walkabout. There are lots of little one-off rebuilds and renos going on along the side streets, no matter what Montreal Road looks like.
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It's transit woes are not from neglect but basic geography and the need to spread LRT around in order to get it passed.
Oh, no, no, no.

Prior to the 2008 "optimization", service was much more frequent and rapid than it is now. The service cuts, bus-reassignments, and other BS, have led to a significant reduction in the quality of transit service along Montreal Road and other east-end routes. That's not geography. That's policy: OC Transpo reallocated vehicles, larger vehicles, and their drivers, to suburban routes, and did so by cannibalizing service in the core, esp. east of the Rideau Centre.

The city could help by enforcing the half-assed time-limited bus lanes along Rideau and Montreal, but there is almost never any enforcement.
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If not Vanier, then where. Why would one place be better than another?
Maybe Central Park Dr., near Caldwell Ave. in Carlington.
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Oh dear god the latest rumour is that the city has brokered a "deal" to relocate the Mission as well.

Gee, I wonder where Jim Watson wants that facility to go?
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Gee, I wonder where Jim Watson wants that facility to go?
The Somerset House redevelopment project.
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Oh dear god the latest rumour is that the city has brokered a "deal" to relocate the Mission as well.

Gee, I wonder where Jim Watson wants that facility to go?
He is on record stating how great he thought the idea was so...yeah. And the timing of the press release (just as summer starts) will serve to minimize dissent at public meetings because people will be away on vacation.

Despite all this, the community is pushing back. A large number of young families have moved into the area in the last few years. They along with the seniors will be the most vocal and will not let this pass without a fight. They are the most vocal in social media. The groups are coalescing and the petitions have started. This is a hot button issue and people are rallying like they did for Montfort.

This is not a done deal.
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Rideau High School should be redeveloped into a payday loan mall. There are only about 15 payday loan shops in the neighbourhood, they could all consolidate into one facility to make shopping a loan easier!
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Well I guess Vanier proved me wrong in terms of community mobilisation.
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Big time, and with the local councillor seeming acutely aware of which side his bread is buttered on. One waits to see whether it has any impact.
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Big time, and with the local councillor seeming acutely aware of which side his bread is buttered on. One waits to see whether it has any impact.
Homeless shelter is pretty much at the top of issues to motivate NIMBYs, so I'm pretty sure any neighbourhood could offer a substantial turnout.

Mr. Fleury now has to decide whether he wants to actually fight the re-location (and piss of his constituents in Lowertown and Sandy Hill) or just make lots of noise so he can be seen as fighting the good fight.
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Homeless shelter is pretty much at the top of issues to motivate NIMBYs, so I'm pretty sure any neighbourhood could offer a substantial turnout.

Mr. Fleury now has to decide whether he wants to actually fight the re-location (and piss of his constituents in Lowertown and Sandy Hill) or just make lots of noise so he can be seen as fighting the good fight.
I imagine it could also depend on whether he sees any support on Council. I'm not sure what might motivate any of the other councillors to impede the project.
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I imagine it could also depend on whether he sees any support on Council. I'm not sure what might motivate any of the other councillors to impede the project.
Other councilors certainly don't want it in their backyards, so they have little incentive to get involved.
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Other councilors certainly don't want it in their backyards, so they have little incentive to get involved.
I wonder how the meeting would have gone if the Mayor had shown up and faced the music. Honestly can't see that happening.
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Other councilors certainly don't want it in their backyards, so they have little incentive to get involved.
That would be my first thought, and I can't think of anything that might be offered up in terms of the "horse trading" that sometimes goes on among councillors.

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I wonder how the meeting would have gone if the Mayor had shown up and faced the music. Honestly can't see that happening.
Those of us who don't oppose it avoided the nimby-fest. Word was spread by going door to door with a petition opposing it. Made it clear this was a protest meeting, not a rational discussion of the proposal. I abhor the Salvation Army as an institution, but this proposal improves the delivery of service for the homeless, and has a lot of mitigation tha the old shelter didn't have.
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Hundreds turned away from meeting on Vanier Salvation Army shelter
Coun. Mathieu Fleury says he received 300 emails, 100 phone calls about the proposal

By Matthew Kupfer, CBC News
Posted: Jul 11, 2017 7:13 AM ET Last Updated: Jul 11, 2017 10:40 AM ET


About 600 people tried to pack into the Richelieu-Vanier Community Centre Monday night for a meeting about the Salvation Army's proposal to build a multipurpose community hub and emergency shelter.

The capacity in the auditorium was just more than 300 people. All seats were taken, forcing many to stand, but hundreds of people had to be turned away.

"It's good because it shows how united we are," Coun. Mathieu Fleury said. "It's a city-wide issue, but the community of Vanier certainly demonstrated this evening that we're all together, that we don't think 333 Montreal Rd. is an adequate site."

The meeting was a "discussion, not a consultation," he said. The purpose was to ask residents to help develop a strategy to get the Salvation Army and the City of Ottawa to hear their concerns.

Fleury said he wants the Salvation Army to put a pause on its project and consider spreading the services it would offer from a new building near its current thrift store across multiple sites.

Another meeting is being planned for 5 p.m. Friday at the Richelieu-Vanier Community Centre, and more may be held in the future, Fleury said.

Many residents who couldn't make it into the auditorium were frustrated. One woman shouted when the door opened that she wanted to get in. While some abandoned the meeting, others waited outside until they could get in or snuck in through other entrances.

Adam Freed, who recently bought a house on Montfort to raise his young family, is one of the people who was turned away.

"We feel that our lives are being derailed, financially, and we don't feel comfortable raising our young family there any more," he said.

He's concerned about increased car traffic on his street and the possibility the shelter could attract more panhandling and drug use to the neighbourhood.

"It's not right. This a residential neighbourhood that's trying to improve. Montreal Road is supposed to be a road where there's an increase and better quality businesses," he said.

Paul Heinbecker, formerly one of Canada's top diplomats and a Vanier resident since the 1970s, said the area has a problem with payday loans and marijuana shops, and that it already houses several social support centres.

"It isn't that Vanier doesn't want to help these people. Vanier is already doing its share for the less fortunate people of Ottawa and it's time the other people in Ottawa should pick up part of the burden," he said.

The 103,000-square-foot proposed facility with 350 beds — 140 of them earmarked for short-term, emergency stays — would "foreclose" a promising future for the neighbourhood, Heinbecker added.

Some people said they feel as though the decision has already been made to build the facility in Vanier, and that the problems at the ByWard Market shelters are just being swept into their community.

"There is emotion. I think people who live in Vanier often feel hard done by, that Vanier is considered not very nice, so we can do whatever we want there, " said Anna Lenk.

Fleury told attendees the Salvation Army's proposal is not a done deal and still needs to go through the zoning process.

"We want the Salvation Army to put a halt on [the re-zoning application] and take a step back. The community wants to work with the Salvation Army, wants to identify a location," he said.

"There's a great element to the announcement, which is an investment of over $30 million in our city."

Glenn van Gulik, a spokesperson for the Salvation Army who was eventually able to get inside for the meeting, said the Salvation Army remains open to hearing from the community about how it can improve its project.

"There is confusion, there is fear in some cases," he said afterward. "I think I a lot of that stems from perhaps not having all of the facts not having all the information at hand."

However, when asked if the organization would choose a different location, he has said the site selection was the result of a process that involved consultation with the city, businesses and service providers.

Fleury questions the extent of the consultation, saying the Salvation Army spoke to the social services branch of the city, but not other parts of the bureaucracy.

Van Gulik said the organization has already met with the Quartier Vanier BIA and condominium corporations near the site and will be holding consultations into October.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/vanier-salvation-army-montreal-road-shelter-1.4198856
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Those of us who don't oppose it avoided the nimby-fest. Word was spread by going door to door with a petition opposing it. Made it clear this was a protest meeting, not a rational discussion of the proposal. I abhor the Salvation Army as an institution, but this proposal improves the delivery of service for the homeless, and has a lot of mitigation tha the old shelter didn't have.
It was anything but a NIMBY fest. It was about that specific location/scale and how this changes our main street which we are desperately trying to improve. There were other locations in Vanier discussed as well as other areas in the city. Vanier residents are very accommodating. If this was any other area of Ottawa, this wouldn't have even be discussed and it would be straight to pitchforks. People have such a hate for Vanier and its residents.
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I'm a little conflicted with this one. I do appreciate that this proposal goes way beyond just being a shelter for homeless people like the one we currently have in the Market. And I realize that it's a good location since it would be close to the population it serves, but Vanier punches way above its weight when it comes to accommodating social services. Maybe it's time someone else take on a little of the burden.

I'm starting to think LeBreton Flats might not be such a bad idea. RVL is already committed to 25% social housing (and they had something for Veterans, don't quite remember what it was). Maybe they could also take this on in exchange for the City somehow facilitating the approval process or financial breaks.
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Am I the only one surprised to learn that Paul Heinbecker lives in Vanier? The idea challenges my assumptions...
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I'm a little conflicted with this one. I do appreciate that this proposal goes way beyond just being a shelter for homeless people like the one we currently have in the Market. And I realize that it's a good location since it would be close to the population it serves, but Vanier punches way above its weight when it comes to accommodating social services. Maybe it's time someone else take on a little of the burden.

I'm starting to think LeBreton Flats might not be such a bad idea. RVL is already committed to 25% social housing (and they had something for Veterans, don't quite remember what it was). Maybe they could also take this on in exchange for the City somehow facilitating the approval process or financial breaks.
It isn't the population it serves. It serves not Vanier but rather Rideau-Vanier ward. Yes, 70% of their population resides in the ward (in their shelter,duh!). This is just one instance of disinformation that the S.A. is disseminating. Is the investment 30, 50 or 60 million dollars? I've seen all three figures presented in the media.

The S.A. is playing loose with the truth.

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