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Old Posted Jun 21, 2017, 9:51 PM
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What 42 story building was he referencing at about 1:50?

Awesome that MARTA is taking this over!
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2017, 11:24 PM
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What 42 story building was he referencing at about 1:50?

Awesome that MARTA is taking this over!
GWCC hotel is a viable option
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2017, 11:33 PM
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What 42 story building was he referencing at about 1:50?

Awesome that MARTA is taking this over!
I totally missed that but as Street Advocate said, it would have to be the GWCC hotel.

I always thought that the streetcar should have at least been run by Marta.
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Old Posted Jun 24, 2017, 3:10 PM
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Old Posted Jun 24, 2017, 5:22 PM
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I read the article. I live in New York- and I understand CBTC (communications based train control), which MARTA implemented about 10 years ago, and MTA has only implemented on their '7' line. The article's main gripe is that the New York subway is still using the old 'fixed block' systems, which many transit agencies still use, but is much less efficient than the new CBTC technology.

The New York subways run 24x7 and nearly all the lines (except for the 7) are intermingled- it is technically very difficult to upgrade all the lines signalling to CBTC because the trains and tracks have to be upgraded at the same time. There are 360 stations and 850 miles of track.

These people don't understand the complexities and realities of running the MTA. It is true, the MTA has one of the highest farebox recovery ratios in the nation (where more of their income comes from farebox income than government subsidies), however, that tells me in New York the government (city and state) are not funding the subway at levels seen for other subway systems, on a per capita basis. Some would say that the MTA is more efficient because it relies more on ticket income that government subsidy- others may say that the under-investment the article talks about is because there is not enough subsidy from the goverment.

The article was written by a think tank out of Alabama, so I further question their understanding of something like the New York subway or the money or costs of doing business in New York city. The New York subway is vital to the economy of New York, and there is no other service that even comes close to the efficiency of getting around the city, especially at rush hour. They don't have to 'compete' with cars and buses- driving in New York is a complete disaster, and the subways run relatively smoothly by comparison.

MARTA was successful at privatizing some of their operations, as recommended by the KPMG study from 2012 or so. Some were unsuccessful due to union pushback, the biggest being their paratransit service. I don't believe the MTA has privatized any of their operations, which may help with functions such as backoffice or janitorial. The unions are strong there so I don't see it happening. I think this is a good idea.

The idea that the whole transit agencies, either in New York or Atlanta, could be privatized, is a crazy thought in my mind, however. These are non-profitable subsidized monopolies.

While the city has saved money by moving to Park Atlanta, we have seen the negative consequences to privatization of this service. While 'service' has gone up, the civic costs have skyrocketed (e.g. penalties if you park wrong), however, some might argue that enforcement has gotten a lot better. While I would not argue Atlanta move back to publicly running the parking enforcement, I don't think privatizing government agencies is a cure all for what is essentially funding deficits.
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Old Posted Jun 24, 2017, 6:56 PM
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Thanks for those insightful comments. No question the situation has raised public awareness and I look forward to further developments.
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2017, 2:29 PM
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I read the article. I live in New York- and I understand CBTC (communications based train control), which MARTA implemented about 10 years ago, and MTA has only implemented on their '7' line.
I just want to go on the record saying that my statement above was mostly incorrect, however, it does not change my opinion of the article. For the MTA, they have implemented CBTC on lines 7 and the L line, which are both somewhat separated by the rest of the network.

After doing more searching on the Internet, it appears the MTA is the only north american transit organization that has implemented CBTC on part of their heavy rail operations, with all other transit organizations still using their old block based 1980's and earlier technology (except LA Metro, which used block signaling, but went online around 1990). In my mind, that further squashes the group's article that suggested the MTA was 'behind the times' for not having implemented CBTC.

If you search for 'CBTC MARTA' on Google, you will find a press release from Marta from 2011 where they award a $119 million contract to Alstrom to implement CBTC on MARTA over 5 years under Beverly, the old CEO of MARTA, which had led me to believe they had actually implemented it. I'm guessing the contract was canceled because I can't find any other indication they have implemented it, and I also found a 2015 article stating they were still interested.

Perhaps MARTA is waiting for their new heavy rail equipment, or they realize there are other priorities.
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2017, 7:52 PM
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Right now, MTA is a mess. the Breaking Point
A bespoke, decentralized model may prove most efficient. Here's one idea...line-follower robotics. The Use of Computer Controlled Line Follower Robots in Public Transport.
GE is selling solutions for locomotives and train operations. They collect, analyze and utilize a terabyte of information per vehicle per day.
And then there's this
Whatever is done, it will cost a lot more $.
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2017, 8:38 PM
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If Atlanta really wants to host the 2026 World Cup, I would hope we start pushing transit initiatives so we may move people all over. Maybe Northside Drive BRT, EST LRT, North Ave LRT, and WST LRT get a push in the right direction
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Old Posted Aug 2, 2017, 11:26 PM
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Fulton county transit survey towards the bottom of the page for those interested http://fultoncountyga.gov/tmp-home

The questions are avoslute trash, but any feedback is better than none.
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May be false hope, but this article appeared on the Biz Chronicle yesterday:

Georgia lawmakers resurrect multi-modal passenger terminal project

The timing is right for bringing back a proposal to build a multi-modal passenger terminal (MMPT) in metro Atlanta, the chairman of the Georgia Senate's Transportation Committee said Thursday.

"We're in great financial position. We've got a lot of growth coming," Sen. Brandon Beach, R-Alpharetta, told reporters following a meeting of his committee to talk about a project that has been on the back burner for years. "If we have the political will and the political courage, we can work with our partners and come up with a plan that works for everybody."

---- Looks like they talk a little not just about DT but also potentially Doraville being an alternative. It's mostly just talk at this point, but perhaps we're starting to see some movement with the investment DT and the state being more open to transportation funding.

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news...ers-resurrect-multi-modal-passenger.html
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May be false hope, but this article appeared on the Biz Chronicle yesterday:

Georgia lawmakers resurrect multi-modal passenger terminal project

The timing is right for bringing back a proposal to build a multi-modal passenger terminal (MMPT) in metro Atlanta, the chairman of the Georgia Senate's Transportation Committee said Thursday.

"We're in great financial position. We've got a lot of growth coming," Sen. Brandon Beach, R-Alpharetta, told reporters following a meeting of his committee to talk about a project that has been on the back burner for years. "If we have the political will and the political courage, we can work with our partners and come up with a plan that works for everybody."

---- Looks like they talk a little not just about DT but also potentially Doraville being an alternative. It's mostly just talk at this point, but perhaps we're starting to see some movement with the investment DT and the state being more open to transportation funding.

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news...ers-resurrect-multi-modal-passenger.html
If the Crescent service could be have its Atlanta stop in downtown, especially near a MARTA station, it would do wonders for ridership along the corridor - particularly between Mississippi and North Carolina. Certainly a rising tide that would lift many boats.
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Old Posted Sep 4, 2017, 10:22 PM
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Old Posted Sep 7, 2017, 1:36 AM
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page 296 is the BRT from Atlanta city design, described as a hashtag formation:
http://atlcitydesign.com/acd_book.html

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http://atlcitydesign.com/poster/ATLCityDesign24x32_reduced.pdf
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Old Posted Sep 14, 2017, 11:29 PM
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page 296 is the BRT from Atlanta city design, described as a hashtag formation:
http://atlcitydesign.com/acd_book.html

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http://atlcitydesign.com/poster/ATLCityDesign24x32_reduced.pdf
Any news about rail service expansion? Don't they have it?
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Old Posted Sep 15, 2017, 1:16 AM
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Any news about rail service expansion? Don't they have it?
Not really no, but the city design is not meant to be encompassing. Rather, it's a set of guidelines and a couple proposals per the guidelines to get atlanta in the right direction. It says any ideas are welcome so long as they incorporate the core values proposed in the guidelines (progress, ambition, access, and nature).

The one point it says about the streetcars is all new layers of transportation (defined as streetcar, subway, busway, or bikeway) should be cross town with obvious origin and destination. They also say to prioritize dedicated lane transit. I think they're definitely right to encourage BRT along major corridors in addition to LRT on the beltline. More bang for your buck with significantly expanded service area.


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Old Posted Nov 4, 2017, 1:47 AM
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A new ARC poll shows increasing acceptance of transit as the best solution to the region's traffic problems.

49% of the 13-county ARC area view expanding transit as the best way to address traffic congestion. This compares to just 41% in 2013.
27% say improving roads and highways is the best traffic solution.


Interestingly 56.3% of Gwinnett residents say they are willing to pay more in taxes to fund expanded transit, highest in the region.

http://www.myajc.com/news/local-govt--po...ace-mass-transit/M69uOlEpewWitNng6y4WqM/

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"Georgia lawmaker proposes new way to raise money for rail expansion

Property owners near existing transit stations would be able to form self-taxing districts to raise money for rail expansion under a proposal from a Gwinnett County lawmaker.

Georgia Rep. Buzz Brockway, R-Lawrenceville, compared transit districts to the community improvement districts (CIDs) that have sprung up across metro Atlanta in the last 30 years, which raise funds for transportation improvements.

“The people who benefit from having transit in their area and see their property values increase [would] help contribute more to the overall growth of the system,” Brockway said Nov. 13 to a panel of state lawmakers, local elected officials and transit system executives formed by the state House of Representatives this year to look for ways to increase transit funding in Georgia.

Under a constitutional amendment and separate “enabling” bill, if at least 75 percent of property owners within a quarter mile of a transit station agree to form a transit district, the tax revenue they raise would go toward expanding the rail system.

Brockway said the legislation would limit the districts to existing rail stations and would not give the districts bonding authority. With those limitations, transit would be expected to grow gradually rather than in large increments, he said.

But Rep. Kevin Tanner, R-Dawsonville, chairman of the House Commission on Transit Governance & Funding, said he would prefer giving transit districts the power to expand beyond existing transit stations to help finance new construction.

“Denver revitalized an entire area by putting a new [rail] station in there,” he said.

Tanner also advocated giving transit districts bonding authority.

“These are expensive projects,” he said. “This could be one tool in the toolbox to help finance some of these projects.”

Brockway said he would open to expanding the scope of the measure to new transit stations." -By Dave Williams
– Staff Writer, Atlanta Business Chronicle
Nov 17, 2017, 1:00pm EST
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