Northeast False Creek | Proposed

[mattropolis]

So this "Active Bridge" is really a viaduct for bikes? They will tear down one viaduct and then build another?

[cornholio]

Originally Posted by mattropolis

So this "Active Bridge" is really a viaduct for bikes? They will tear down one viaduct and then build another?

Yes they are tearing down the viaduct to build a bike viaduct and a even taller bike/pedestrian viaduct over that viaduct and the sky train track. They are replacing all lanes with only 6 lanes, 2 of which are reserved for a street car/curb lanes.

[retro_orange]

Don't forget the heavily predicted end of the world...

[Metro-One]

The "end of the world argument" is such a poor argument (when it is being used genuinely and sarcastically).

Any logical person knows that the city will live on with the lane reductions, but the same is true if one were to shut down the entire skytrain network. Things would continue, but it would give your region an unneeded handicap.

Fact is this plan roughly calls for halfing the amount of lanes at first (10 to 6) with the potential of reducing that further to 4 (or 4 genera purpose and 2 shared).

This is worth being concerned about. It won't kill the city, but it could create some problems. I really hope they have done their honest homework on this, and not just going through with it because it meets their personal agendas (not holding my breathe on that).

A lot of the stuff in this proposal does look good, but it is also wise to be concerned about future traffic flows.

Please remember than none of the major transit projects in the near or far future currently being planned or even considered enter the downtown peninsula, so there will be no major transit project theoretically replacing those lane capacities into the downtown from the east in a major scale.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Please remember than none of the major transit projects in the near or far future currently being planned or even considered enter the downtown peninsula, so there will be no major transit project theoretically replacing those lane capacities into the downtown from the east in a major scale.

Well, we just had a major transit project complete (Evergreen) that will take some cars off the road for commutes into downtown. We also have the Mayors' phase 1 approval which adds more capacity to Expo and Canada Lines. Isn't a B-Line along Hastings part of the plan too?

I feel like CoV planners are essentially assuming that the Broadway Line is already in place when they do things like the Burrard Bridge upgrades. Which seems odd but probably good long term.

I do wish the initial Streetcar phase was a part of this NEFC redevelopment.

[Bdawe]

Let's all not forget, the latent inbound capacity of the Expo & Canada Lines is 20,000 people per hour per direction. It's not like road lane that fills up quickly

[BobLoblawsLawBlog]

I really don't like that we won't be able to see the Stadium from the creek anymore.


We can have dozens of view cones for Mountains that are everywhere but not one for a stadium. Pretty sad.

[djmk]

I love how the sun is always shinning in these drawings

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

The "end of the world argument" is such a poor argument (when it is being used genuinely and sarcastically).

Any logical person knows that the city will live on with the lane reductions, but the same is true if one were to shut down the entire skytrain network. Things would continue, but it would give your region an unneeded handicap.

Fact is this plan roughly calls for halfing the amount of lanes at first (10 to 6) with the potential of reducing that further to 4 (or 4 genera purpose and 2 shared).

This is worth being concerned about. It won't kill the city, but it could create some problems. I really hope they have done their honest homework on this, and not just going through with it because it meets their personal agendas (not holding my breathe on that).

A lot of the stuff in this proposal does look good, but it is also wise to be concerned about future traffic flows.

Please remember than none of the major transit projects in the near or far future currently being planned or even considered enter the downtown peninsula, so there will be no major transit project theoretically replacing those lane capacities into the downtown from the east in a major scale.

I can attest to that, having lived downtown for more than a decade. Traffic conditions have indeed become a lot worse than when I first moved here. I'm so glad I don't usually drive, and I wear the fact as a badge of honour, but on the rare occasions that I do, I really get frustrated. Yesterday walking home from work, I could see backed up traffic on virtually every major street. Removing the viaducts will only make it worse, because, as far as I know, there won't be any improvement in skytrain or bus lines in the near future.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by djmk

I love how the sun is always shinning in these drawings

It's a fantasy that Vancouverites have. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many people opposing to new indoor malls. In reality, the indoor venues are the crowded places during the rainy seasons, and not the outdoor ones. Grassy parks are definitely not utilised 80% of the year.

Originally Posted by BobLoblawsLawBlog

I really don't like that we won't be able to see the Stadium from the creek anymore.

We can have dozens of view cones for Mountains that are everywhere but not one for a stadium. Pretty sad.

Vancouver certainly has the worst urban planners in recent times.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Well, we just had a major transit project complete (Evergreen) that will take some cars off the road for commutes into downtown. We also have the Mayors' phase 1 approval which adds more capacity to Expo and Canada Lines. Isn't a B-Line along Hastings part of the plan too?

I feel like CoV planners are essentially assuming that the Broadway Line is already in place when they do things like the Burrard Bridge upgrades. Which seems odd but probably good long term.

I do wish the initial Streetcar phase was a part of this NEFC redevelopment.

Not everyone lives near bus routes or skytrain lines. People will just choose not to come downtown, which is already happening and sad. One day when your area is clogged with traffic and you need to drive out, you will know the pain.

[sitchensis]

Won't somebody think of my convenience as a a single person driving a 1 tonne metal cube that takes up more public space than my bedroom? Why won't you build the world around my needs?

[VanK]

Originally Posted by Vin

I can attest to that, having lived downtown for more than a decade. Traffic conditions have indeed become a lot worse than when I first moved here.

Bike lanes is the #1 contributor along with shutting down Robson in front of the gallery. cars idling in traffic is contributing more to air pollution than trying to get a few more people onto bikes for 4 months of the year.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Vin

Not everyone lives near bus routes or skytrain lines. People will just choose not to come downtown, which is already happening and sad. One day when your area is clogged with traffic and you need to drive out, you will know the pain.

Ahh yes, the classic "It's too crowded, nobody goes there anymore!"

[Vin]

Originally Posted by sitchensis

Won't somebody think of my convenience as a a single person driving a 1 tonne metal cube that takes up more public space than my bedroom? Why won't you build the world around my needs?

Mine's a 10-tonne metal cube that takes up to 50 passengers, or transports goods to stores servicing high-density neighbourhoods. Perhaps these can also be stuck in the traffic jams while you build the world around the empty bike paths most time of the year, not to mention local residents choking more on the idling exhaust fumes?

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Ahh yes, the classic "It's too crowded, nobody goes there anymore!"

Hyperbole.

People will still go, but with more inconvenience and discomfort.

[sitchensis]

Originally Posted by Vin

Mine's a 10-tonne metal cube that takes up to 50 passengers, or transports goods to stores servicing high-density neighbourhoods. Perhaps these can also be stuck in the traffic jams while you build the world around the empty bike paths most time of the year, not to mention local residents choking more on the idling exhaust fumes?

You realize that the vast majority of vehicles are typically inefficient single occupancy, right? No one is saying that freight trips or services should be encumbered. If anything, such necessary trips would be greatly sped up by a reduction in SOV trips. People who are frustrated that they were stuck in traffic when they wanted to drive solo five blocks to get a gallon of milk have the option to change their habits; delivery drivers don't. So let's make it easier for those people to switch.

[sitchensis]

Originally Posted by Vin

Hyperbole.

People will still go, but with more inconvenience and discomfort.

Which will incentivize them to take alternate modes. Asking people nicely to take transit or building more and more lanes of traffic has done nothing to alleviate congestion or improve the urban environment. Sometimes ya need a stick.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by sitchensis

You realize that the vast majority of vehicles are typically inefficient single occupancy, right? No one is saying that freight trips or services should be encumbered. If anything, such necessary trips would be greatly sped up by a reduction in SOV trips. People who are frustrated that they were stuck in traffic when they wanted to drive solo five blocks to get a gallon of milk have the option to change their habits; delivery drivers don't. So let's make it easier for those people to switch.

Keep in mind that said switches (for those outside of downtown) will also require greater investment in rapid transit, be it Hastings/North Shore SkyTrain, False Creek LRT or something else. If the next election comes around and BC gets stuck with another anti-urban premier, we may be in serious trouble...

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by sitchensis

..... Why won't you build the world around my needs?

I've often thought of that myself. I meditated on it. I humbly knelt in prayer, before God, waiting for it to happen.
It didn't work.

[s211]

Originally Posted by Vin

I can attest to that, having lived downtown for more than a decade. Traffic conditions have indeed become a lot worse than when I first moved here. I'm so glad I don't usually drive, and I wear the fact as a badge of honour, but on the rare occasions that I do, I really get frustrated. Yesterday walking home from work, I could see backed up traffic on virtually every major street. Removing the viaducts will only make it worse, because, as far as I know, there won't be any improvement in skytrain or bus lines in the near future.

And yet Gordon Price will pull out that same tripe about vehicle traffic declining in the core over the past ten years or whatever time frame it is they reference.

Overall traffic may be on the decline, but I'll bet that it's only because downtown's become so gridlocked because of road throttling that you can't get any more possible cars moving through when everyone's stuck inevitably merging from three lanes down to one because of some cock-eyed artery choking plan invoked by the city.