Confederation Line (Stage 1) | In Service 1.0

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

The challenge is when you have to transfer again at Greenboro especially during off-peak hours. At least Uhuniau has direct buses into downtown realizing his other complaints.

Direct, yes.

Also: slow, unreliable, unpredictable, overcrowded, and subservient to general traffic in most places and at most times; problems that the city is not only spending $0.00 to address, but the half-measures they have supposedly taken towards remedying them have actually made things worse. (Cf. route-splitting and hub-splitting.)

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by kmcamp

I'm not saying a double transfer is ideal, I'm just saying a double or triple transfer is the reality for lots of cities around the world, including Canada's 3 largest cities. Since we'll be in that boat now, what OCTranspo needs to ensure is transferring is as painless as possible, since we're used to the one seat ride the transitway provided.

Not just painless, but actually comfortable and practical:

- seating
- heating
- cooling or at least design that doesn't maximize summer discomfort
- amenities immediately next to major transfer stations and even minor ones
- transit information available *at the location where you wait for your next ride* and not in another part or level of the station
- stations/stops configured so that you can wait for multiple routes in one place, rather than being forced to "commit" to one or another

OC Transpo and the city are TERRIBLE at all of these things.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

But, our goal should be to get everybody downtown with no more than one transfer.

I'd extend this goal to more than just downtown, to the maximum extent possible, sharing the same caveat as you that it won't be possible until there's more buildout of the trunk system.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Seems that peak period frequency once quoted 3 minutes and 15 seconds has now been reduced to 5 minutes. True?

Also: frequencies on the local routes is projected to be no better than it is now.

There is no reward for inner-city residents for their patience during construction or their patience in knowing that they will all be long dead before the Suburbs of Ottawa ever deign to spend money on real transit solutions within the older, inner urban area.

The deck is stacked against the core.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Seems that peak period frequency once quoted 3 minutes and 15 seconds has now been reduced to 5 minutes. True?

I have no idea. The ads all say "5 minute or less" at peak, which to me suggests that either:
1) headways will fluctuate in the peak; perhaps closer to 2.5m in the middle of the peak going down to 5m closer to the edges
2) trips at peak will alternate between full route or terminating early (ie. every other eastbound trains in the AM will terminate at Tremblay instead of continuing to Blair; meaning 2.5m frequency before Tremblay and 5m frequency after).

[Richard Eade]

Whoever wrote the “A Train Every 5 Minutes Or Less” line should not be writing advertisements. The statement is ambiguous. Does the “Or Less” refer to the trains or the time?

A) There will be five minutes or less between trains.
B) There may be fewer trains than one every five minutes

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

I think my position is that there should be a degree of equitable investment, which is typical in most cities. And, we should not be investing in plans that are poorly thought out and poorly executed.

There is no question that east-west will achieve the highest ridership, but we are living in a fool's paradise if we think it is a good idea to invest almost all our money on one line.

A large portion of the city's population lives south of the Queensway and east of Woodroffe and west of St. Laurent, which will not be particularly well served by the Confederation Line.

Name me one city in Canada that meet's your first paragraph. You have 4 to choose from.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Name me one city in Canada that meet's your first paragraph. You have 4 to choose from.

Calgary has built two lines through downtown. Same the Vancouver. Same for Montreal. Although connected, there is really is two in Toronto as well. Even Edmonton has begun to build a second line. All are building or planning to build more lines directly through downtown.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Also: frequencies on the local routes is projected to be no better than it is now.

There is no reward for inner-city residents for their patience during construction or their patience in knowing that they will all be long dead before the Suburbs of Ottawa ever deign to spend money on real transit solutions within the older, inner urban area.

The deck is stacked against the core.

It is really stacked against everywhere unless you live within walking distance of the Confederation Line.

The sales pitch we heard when this all begun that some of the buses would be redirected from the Transitways to improve local service is nothing but bunk. Yeah, yeah, we will be waiting less time for our local bus. Tell us another one.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Calgary has built two lines through downtown.

No, Calgary has one line through downtown that splits on either end.

Same the Vancouver.

True, but it took almost 25 years and even then the suburbs fought hard to prevent the second line, causing it to be severely under-built.

Same for Montreal.

True, but Montreal was double the size when they were built than Ottawa is today.

Although connected, there is really is two in Toronto as well.

I guess, but that is kind of weak as they are really the two ends of the same line and running about 600m apart are kind of wasteful.

Even Edmonton has begun to build a second line.

True, but it has taken over 40 years.

All are building or planning to build more lines directly through downtown.

True, but they all built their first line over 30 years ago and with the exception of Montreal (and Toronto if you count it), which are much larger cities, none had plans for a second line downtown when the first was built. Give it time.

[J.OT13]

Station Art

Here's what we know so far;

"Pimisi" Station will get a shiny metal eel in the aqueduct next just north of the station.



Here's what we could assume might be art installations;

Tremblay Station, are those maple leafs coming out of the metal panel on the left side the "art" for the station?


http://rileybrockington.ca/tremblay-station-construction-on-o-train-confederation-line-on-track/

Parliament Station, the colourful panels on the ceiling. Would look more at home at Rideau's "Gallery" theme than Parliament's "Confederation" theme;



St-Laurent Station sceneries on the walls;



A few that I found. Submissions or winning designs?

Hurdman Station


http://www.jillanholt.ca/Coordinated-Movement

Website has the location wrong. Says Hurdman is on the Ottawa River, not Rideau.

Lyon Station's Bytowne Theme;




http://cherylpagurek.com/news/commission...-light-rail-station-city-of-ottawa-2015/

These were created by Cheryl Pagurek while this link says the Lyon Station art will be from Geoff McFetridge.

These remind me of the stained glass art work depicting Montreal's history at McGill and Place des Arts Metro Stations.




Sorry for the massive pics.

[Uhuniau]

Any reason why Pimisi is in quotation marks?

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Any reason why Pimisi is in quotation marks?

To underscore the fact that Pimisi means eels, something that would not be intuitive to most of us?

I doubt it's a slight, if that's what you were thinking.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by Acajack

To underscore the fact that Pimisi means eels, something that would not be intuitive to most of us?

I doubt it's a slight, if that's what you were thinking.

"Toronto".



(Toronto means eels.)

[Uhuniau]

The public art requirement has got to go.

[eltodesukane]

"Taronto" later referred to "The Narrows", a channel of water through which Lake Simcoe discharges into Lake Couchiching.
This narrows was called tkaronto by the Mohawk, meaning "where there are trees standing in the water", and was recorded as early as 1615 by Samuel de Champlain.
The change of spelling from Taronto to Toronto is thought to originate on a 1695 map by Italian cartographer Vincenzo Coronelli.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Toronto#History

The naming process for the station also involved the Algonquins of Ontario who chose the name “Pimisi”, meaning “eel” in the Algonquin language, which carries a sacred significance as it is a source of spirituality, medicine and nutrition.
http://ottawa.ca/en/news/o-train-confede...ion-will-be-celebration-algonquin-people

[Dundas]

Originally Posted by roger1818 View Post
I agree 100%. The Trim Rd extension will encourage development east of Trim Rd.

Isn't there already Cardinal Creek village being built there?

The development, on 450 acres of rolling land overlooking the Ottawa River just south of Highway 174.
A master planned community of 3,000 Energy Star singles and towns.

ottawacitizen.com/life/homes/new-on-the-street-tamarack-opens-eight-models-at-cardinal-creek-village/amp

[J.OT13]

The concept of transit station names is pretty simple. Name it for a street, neighbourhood, landmark. Make the system intuitive. But the City got creative.

Naming a station Parliament/Parlement is kind of ridiculous. In a City with bilingual inclinations, we have to try to stick with names that are spelled the same way in both French and English, like I don't know, O'Connor. Now I get that they probably did it to make it easier for tourists. End of the day, the name is moderately accurate. Whatever.

In the case of Pimisi, other than the few of us who follow the Confederation Line project religiously, the name says nothing to the majority of citizens in the NCR. Ironically, it will be even more confusing for tourists, for whom Parliament/Parlement Station was named.

Granted, naming the station "LeBreton" isn't fully intuitive considering there are two stations on the Flats. I think re-naming it Booth would have been more appropriate.

To honour the indigenous heritage of the region, for the sake of a logical transit system, they should have renamed either Westboro or Dominion Station Kitchissippi (yes, more than one station in that area, but like Parliament/Parlement, somewhat accurate) and Baseline Station for Algonquin College.

That's why I have the name and quotations, and partly because the art work is a "Pimisi", like Acajack said.

To avoid stirring up more controversy or reviving the debate, I'll stop with the quotation marks.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

The concept of transit station names is pretty simple. Name it for a street, neighbourhood, landmark. Make the system intuitive. But the City got creative.

Naming a station Parliament/Parlement is kind of ridiculous. In a City with bilingual inclinations, we have to try to stick with names that are spelled the same way in both French and English, like I don't know, O'Connor. Now I get that they probably did it to make it easier for tourists. End of the day, the name is moderately accurate. Whatever.

In the case of Pimisi, other than the few of us who follow the Confederation Line project religiously, the name says nothing to the majority of citizens in the NCR. Ironically, it will be even more confusing for tourists, for whom Parliament/Parlement Station was named.

Granted, naming the station "LeBreton" isn't fully intuitive considering there are two stations on the Flats. I think re-naming it Booth would have been more appropriate.

To honour the indigenous heritage of the region, for the sake of a logical transit system, they should have renamed either Westboro or Dominion Station Kitchissippi (yes, more than one station in that area, but like Parliament/Parlement, somewhat accurate) and Baseline Station for Algonquin College.

That's why I have the name and quotations, and partly because the art work is a "Pimisi", like Acajack said.

To avoid stirring up more controversy or reviving the debate, I'll stop with the quotation marks.

So in fact it was a slight? That said all your points are 100% valid in my opinion. I don't have any evidence for this but I wonder if the name Pimisi was almost made as a test of the consultation process and they didn't think it would be accepted. It is truly the most ridiculous name. Eventually I guess this will be the name for the area rather than LeBreton.

[PHrenetic]

Good Day...

Alstom has just announced the formal contract with RTG to build the subsequent Phase 2 order of 38 Citadis Spirit LRVs, as follow-on to the existing Phase 1 order of 34. Also posted in Nasdaq GlobeNewsWire.

http://www.alstom.com/press-centre/2017/...2-of-ottawas-o-train-confederation-line/

https://globenewswire.com/news-release/2...Ottawa-s-O-Train-Confederation-Line.html

In aside news, Kitchener/Waterloo GrandLinq has announced that the second prototype vehicle delivery has been delayed to late August or September.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/lrt-vehicle-two-delayed-delivery-1.4169068

Wow/How did we dodge a bullet.

EnJoy!