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Old Posted Jun 22, 2017, 12:45 AM
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Is not that row of nice townhomes in Railtown the same thing? Several have owners living up and businesses down - on 110 St.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2017, 2:40 AM
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Is not that row of nice townhomes in Railtown the same thing? Several have owners living up and businesses down - on 110 St.
Seventh Street Lofts have a few 'live/work' units along the ground floor. It's been done and can be done successfully.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2017, 3:09 PM
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Edmonton will be the first city outside of Quebec to have two Simons department store locations when the new Londonderry Mall location opens this August.

The two-storey, 90,000-square-foot location will feature women’s and men’s fashions, home goods and the chain’s first dedicated shoe department.

Peter Simons, president of the 177-year old, family-owned department store chain, said the mall’s redevelopment along with the opening of the last section of Anthony Henday Drive made Londonderry an attractive option for a new location.




The Londonderry Simons location will feature new environmental sustainability initiatives. More than 50 per cent of the store’s electricity usage will come from on-site renewable energy sources including solar panels on parking lot canopies and the store rooftop. The panels are expected to generate more than 550,000 kilowatt-hours per year, equivalent to powering 80 homes.

Other environmentally sustainable features include LED lamps and fixtures throughout the interior as well as electric-car charging stations in the parking lot adjacent to the store.
http://edmontonjournal.com/business/loca...nd-edmonton-location-at-londonderry-mall
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2017, 5:25 PM
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implementing and monitoring work/live units is much more problematic than it sounds.

first, it needs to be recognized that there are two kinds of work/live units.

the first type is typically represented by artist work/live units. they are usually subsidized through some sort of entity that provides ongoing control and compliance.

the second type is "life-style" branded. while appealing in principal to the market and to government initially, the vast majority of these units revert to residential only use in very short order.

even the nature of work can complicate things. sculpture and large paintings can require large studio type space within the unit, the same kind of space that might also be attractive to dancers. musicians can manage in smaller spaces but will generate different types and levels of noise. writers and poets requirements are quite different again and their work can often be done just as efficiently from within purely residential space and can often obtain business licenses and approvals within those purely residential spaces without the need for defined work/live space.

lastly, regardless of which type was initially provided, lifestyle pressures will start to intrude on those activities that take place after hours or in odd hours or that generate noise or traffic inappropriate for their neighbors who have developed moved on to conflicting life styles with alternative definitions of appropriate working hours and noise levels etc.
Major home based, minor home based and artist work well and are not any more complicated than any other type of dwelling, if anything easier and less complicated due to the exterior entrance.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2017, 5:37 PM
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^Also, add professional office to that. Not anything different that what's in some of the main floor of Seventh Street Lofts.

Real challenge is developer putting in good condo bylaws from the get-go so there is no ambiguity on what is allowed business and what isn't.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2017, 5:56 PM
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If I'm not mistaken Fox has home/biz condos too?
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2017, 6:53 PM
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If I'm not mistaken Fox has home/biz condos too?
I don't think they do, its just commercial condos.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2017, 7:57 PM
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Here's a pretty good example of live/work townhouses in downtown Vancouver.

https://goo.gl/maps/ZDiNvwTpn5S2

There's a few projects like this where the commercial isn't obtrusive.

The trick also is that the commercial portion gets designated as such when property tax assessments are prepared, so that the business portion is paying a commercial property tax mill rate.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2017, 3:22 AM
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The Marriott's subtle change in the floor plan for the condo section has begun.


     
     
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2017, 4:32 AM
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Young families typically leave cities for the suburbs. Here’s how to keep them downtown.
Urbanist Brent Toderian explains how Vancouver held onto its families.
https://www.vox.com/2017/6/21/15815524/toderian-families-cities
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2017, 1:40 PM
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Here's a pretty good example of live/work townhouses in downtown Vancouver.

https://goo.gl/maps/ZDiNvwTpn5S2

There's a few projects like this where the commercial isn't obtrusive.

The trick also is that the commercial portion gets designated as such when property tax assessments are prepared, so that the business portion is paying a commercial property tax mill rate.
We have these in a few condo buildings that are zoned commercial. Glenora Gates is one building that comes to mind where a number of the ground-oriented units are used for businesses - salon, accounting, legal, psychology, etc.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2017, 3:05 PM
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Young families typically leave cities for the suburbs. Here’s how to keep them downtown.
Urbanist Brent Toderian explains how Vancouver held onto its families.
https://www.vox.com/2017/6/21/15815524/toderian-families-cities
Bingo. Not rocketscience.

Housing
Daycare
Parks
Schools
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2017, 3:20 PM
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We would love it if you would consider taking our survey.

http://edmontonjournal.com/news/local-news/have-your-say-in-enriching-the-downtown-experience

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Old Posted Jun 23, 2017, 8:18 PM
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Survey done

In regards to housing for families, how do you tackle larger size homes for under $500K? Can we get it close to that?

For comparison, Brookfield's starter detached homes and duplexes range from $300-$360K, at 1,100-1,400 sqf.
     
     
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The reality is that you will have to pay more to be more central in general and especially for larger units...but that said, we can provide more affordable product in and around the core. Concrete new will be $450sqft, but you can do a pretty good 3bdrm layout in 800-900sqft. and get it under 400k.
     
     
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^^ you assist neighbourhoods where housing is affordable and infill is needed by making them cleaner, safer and by helping community leaders dispel the negative perceptions of the neighbourhoods

There are lots of places you can buy a house or duplex for under $500k, you can buy a brand new one for close to 300 in many places close to downtown. But the city won't support those neighbourhoods so you don't see as much redevelopment as there is potential for. It's so simple but the city doesn't seem to get it, and in fact often works in contrarian ways, simultaneously attempting to attract people and pushing them away
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2017, 8:26 PM
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Are you saying new concrete structures sell at minimum $450/sqf to be profitable or is that like a market average here??
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2017, 8:27 PM
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Roughly a min sale price for most in the core.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2017, 8:40 PM
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See that number needs to drop somehow imo. I totally get that you have to pay more the more central you are, and understandably so. But that difference in price is just too large and why sprawl will continue to forever win.

240, affordable housing in undesired neighborhoods is true, but they are undesired. Making them cleaner, safer, and taking away negative perception will result in jacked up prices. So you're still stuck losing.

Also, I haven't shopped around so could be very wrong here but, my parent's hood Inglewood which is fairly central but arguably the outskirts of "central". New infill goes goes for about $450K more or less. Don't think I've ever heard of anything new close to $300K, and it is not that central. Edit.. Inglewood definitely has cleaned up quite a bit lately but still doesn't have a rosy perception either.
     
     
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... you can do a pretty good 3bdrm layout in 800-900sqft. and get it under 400k.
3bdrm; 900 sq feet??

Thinking it would be 3 bdrm, 2 bath leaving room for a TV, 3 lawn chairs and some TV tables. Def galley kitchen.
     
     
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