The Great Canadian Transit Thread - Page 480

Chadillaccc · #**9581** Posted **Jun 15, 2017, 10:34 PM**

Stage One of C-Train Green Line. Cost is $4.65 billion, length is 20 kilometres which will bring the C-Train to 80 kilometres in length. Of note, this line will have the longest section of grade separation on the entire C-Train network at 13 kilometres (equivalent to the length of the OCTranspo Confederation Line phase 1) from 16 Avenue N to Lynnwood Station. This line will have both the longest underground and elevated sections on the C-Train network, hosting 4 underground stations, 3 elevated stations, and 7 ground-level stations. Geotechnical work on the line has already begun, and construction of the line itself will begin in 2019, with opening date targeted for before the start of the 2026 Olympic Winter Games which the city is bidding for. Phase One is the largest single transit infrastructure project in Alberta's history in both length and cost.

Phase Two of the Green Line will be $1.5 billion and is slated to begin construction immediately after Phase One opens, dependent on funding. This phase will be another 20 kilometres, and will complete the total 40-kilometer Green Line route from the farthest northern border of the city to the farthest southern border of the city, putting the C-Train network at 100 kilometres in length.

Chadillaccc · #**9582** Posted **Jun 15, 2017, 10:55 PM**

Calgary - 25th Ave SE LRT Grade Separation and reconstruction of Erlton Station

Concept A

Concept B

Concept C

Obviously Option A is the superior choice in every aspect. As such, I expect the city will go with Option A when the time comes, given their forward thinking, urban minded attitude since the election of Naheed Nenshi. This will be the largest piece of infrastructure required in the ongoing complete grade separation of the southern portion of the Red Line, next to the proposed 8th Avenue Subway.

lubicon · #**9583** Posted **Jun 16, 2017, 5:59 PM**

Thanks Chad. I agree Option A is most logical but would not be surprised to see Option C chosen as the costs would likely be lower (no elevated track required). One small correction however, the City currently is not bidding for the 2026 Winter Olympics but rather exploring the possibility of whether they should bid for the games.

milomilo · #**9584** Posted **Jun 16, 2017, 7:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

Stage One of C-Train Green Line. Cost is $4.65 billion, length is 20 kilometres which will bring the C-Train to 80 kilometres in length. Of note, this line will have the longest section of grade separation on the entire C-Train network at 13 kilometres (equivalent to the length of the OCTranspo Confederation Line phase 1)

Tuscany to Banff Trail is 15km of grade separation (actually, almost to Lions Park if you are just counting road crossings) but I'm not sure why this matters. Ottawa's system is still superior in this regard as they have grade separation on the entire line (at least to vehicles, not sure about peds), which means they can more easily automate the line.

It's never going to happen as 'low floor LRT is best' attitude is fully entrenched in Calgary Transit, but they should really be reconsidering their decision to use low floor LRT as the technology choice. The line to be built is so close to full grade separation which would allow us to put in a proper automated transit system with lower operating costs and higher peak and off peak frequencies.

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Treplow · #**9586** Posted **Jun 20, 2017, 4:39 PM**

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The new CNR Desjardins Canal Bridge in Hamilton is nearly complete...

Is this to help bring all day two way GO train service to Hamilton?

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caltrane74 · #**9588** Posted **Jun 21, 2017, 2:58 PM**

Press release for the start of construction on Canada's newest multi-level bus terminal.
https://news.ontario.ca/mto/en/2017/06/c...n-new-bus-terminal-at-union-station.html

whatnext · #**9589** Posted **Jun 21, 2017, 6:46 PM**

So a meth-head from Albert shutdown Skytrain for an hour and caused over $300,000 in damage. Of course he got the customary slap on the wrist.

TorontoDrew · #**9590** Posted **Jun 21, 2017, 8:05 PM**

So this will be Calgary's first subway tunnel?

nephersir7 · #**9591** Posted **Jun 21, 2017, 8:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

Press release for the start of construction on Canada's newest multi-level bus terminal.
https://news.ontario.ca/mto/en/2017/06/c...n-new-bus-terminal-at-union-station.html

"On a typical weekday, GO Transit runs 579 bus trips to and from Union Station. The Union Station bus terminal sees approximately 10,000 passenger trips daily."

Interesting to compare these stats with the AMT's Terminus Centre-Ville in Montreal.

Over 780 bus trips and 21,000 passengers for the TCV. (as of 2013)

So, the GO buses are just over half as full as those in Montreal?

MalcolmTucker · #**9592** Posted **Jun 21, 2017, 8:48 PM**

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So this will be Calgary's first subway tunnel?

Underground enclosed station in downtown, yes. The west line currently has one underground enclosed and one trenched station. There are a couple other stations where the station is underground except for the platform.

WhipperSnapper · #**9593** Posted **Jun 21, 2017, 8:52 PM**

I don't know about Montreal however, buses tend to run in off peak hours with trains in the peak hours. The number of daily GO bus trips should be halved if not more over the next 5 years.

caltrane74 · #**9594** Posted **Jun 21, 2017, 10:07 PM**

Construction starts on $2 Billion Bay St. bus terminal and office complex
New GO Transit bus station on Bay St. will replace existing facility, which is aging and at capacity.

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Construction has begun on a bus terminal and office tower complex that proponents say will improve transit connections in Toronto’s downtown and transform the city’s skyline.

At a groundbreaking ceremony Wednesday morning attended by politicians, real estate executives, and financial industry players, Transportation Minister Steven Del Duca said that the project, located on Bay St., just north of the Gardiner Expressway, would link jobs to public transit.

Union Station, which has connections to the TTC subway, GO Transit, and the Union Pearson Express, is across the street from the development.

“A transportation network only succeeds if there really and truly is pervasive connectivity,” Del Duca said, describing the project as not only “fundamentally important for Toronto, but for our entire region.”

The $2-billion development, dubbed CIBC Square, will include two towers of 49 and 50 stories each, one on either side of the rail corridor. They will house a combined 2.9 million square feet of commercial space. The leading tenant will be CIBC, which will move its headquarters to the site.

1overcosc · #**9595** Posted **Jun 21, 2017, 10:32 PM**

^ Are private intercity buses going to move there too? Would be a huge improvement over the very drab bus terminal that Megabus/Greyhound use now.

WhipperSnapper · #**9596** Posted **Jun 21, 2017, 10:42 PM**

It will be the new intercity bus terminal too. GO will be drastically reducing the number of bus routes and trips out of Union as train service is improved over the next 5 years.

caltrane74 · #**9597** Posted **Jun 21, 2017, 11:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by nephersir7

"On a typical weekday, GO Transit runs 579 bus trips to and from Union Station. The Union Station bus terminal sees approximately 10,000 passenger trips daily."

Interesting to compare these stats with the AMT's Terminus Centre-Ville in Montreal.

Over 780 bus trips and 21,000 passengers for the TCV. (as of 2013)

So, the GO buses are just over half as full as those in Montreal?

3 times the daily traffic is on the GO Trains. Buses just supplement the rail capacity.

Doady · #**9598** Posted **Jun 22, 2017, 4:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by nephersir7

"On a typical weekday, GO Transit runs 579 bus trips to and from Union Station. The Union Station bus terminal sees approximately 10,000 passenger trips daily."

Interesting to compare these stats with the AMT's Terminus Centre-Ville in Montreal.

Over 780 bus trips and 21,000 passengers for the TCV. (as of 2013)

So, the GO buses are just over half as full as those in Montreal?

Go Transit's Union Station bus terminal is only served by GO Transit buses. The TTC streetcars use a separate terminal at Union. Terminus Centre-Ville is not only served by AMT buses but also by many local buses. If you are from Montreal you know this. So I don't understand why you would compare them.

AMT buses serve approximately 6,400 riders per weekday. That's for the entire Montreal region. GO Transit buses serve 58,300 riders per weekday.

p_xavier · #**9599** Posted **Jun 22, 2017, 11:07 AM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

I don't know about Montreal however, buses tend to run in off peak hours with trains in the peak hours. The number of daily GO bus trips should be halved if not more over the next 5 years.

In Montréal the buses are complimentary to trains and do not replace any service.

hipster duck · #**9600** Posted **Jun 22, 2017, 3:30 PM**

I'm going to miss the Toronto Coach Terminal. It was one of the last throwbacks to the era of gritty urbanism, with dirty, noisy buses jostling with taxicabs on little sidestreets and the flurry of activity around it at all hours of the day. The location also couldn't be beat. You were within a 15 minute walk of all the hospitals, U of T, Ryerson, the Eaton Centre, etc. Given the destinations that most intercity coach travelers are trying to reach, it was very convenient.

It makes sense to consolidate the city's intercity and regional transportation centre in one hub, though, and the location will be a lot easier for bus drivers to access.