New Downtown Calgary Arena - Page 200

speedog · #**3981** Posted **Jun 15, 2017, 12:33 AM**

Thread should be retitled as it will not be a downtown arena.

H.E.Pennypacker · #**3982** Posted **Jun 15, 2017, 3:07 AM**

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Originally Posted by artvandelay

The costs associated with WV cleanup and infrastructure are sunk, in that they will need to be borne eventually. I'd put what's being discussed in Vic Park in the category of "nice to have" rather than essential to the city. It will result in a better project if everything comes to fruition, but likely greater expense to taxpayers.

Apologies for being so cryptic, but I really can't reveal much other than that things are in motion behind the scenes.

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Originally Posted by Cage

Don't think in terms of the arena footprint, think in terms of everything the city is doing in the East Village and Vic Park. If Vic park portion of the green line and new arena was transferred into an enhanced East Village CRL, that would expand the civic portion well above WV Calgary Next proposal.

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Cage is a smart fella.

This makes a lot of sense. The EV's success can justify enhancing the CRL's into the Vic Park area for a new arena/green line/mixed used area. Definitely at more cost overall but the benefit and chances for success are far greater than starting from scratch in the West Village (which even if it does cost the City less, it's more of a risk for success IMO).

I knew the City has been seriously looking at Vic Park as an alternative option. I was informed how the City would acquire the lands, seem some documentation on concepts, and done some analysis personally on the area prior to me leaving the City not too long ago.

Chopper · #**3983** Posted **Jun 15, 2017, 3:26 AM**

It will be more fun if the new arena will be right beside crossiron and the new mall. That will devastate all of the people here. The Balzac Next.

suburbia · #**3984** Posted **Jun 15, 2017, 3:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by Chopper

It will be more fun if the new arena will be right beside crossiron and the new mall. That will devastate all of the people here. The Balzac Next.

That would be awesome. Great idea Chopper. There is also the horse track there, so all the pieces fit.

Rollerstud98 · #**3985** Posted **Jun 15, 2017, 5:03 AM**

Pretty much walking distance for me to get home too!

speedog · #**3986** Posted **Jun 15, 2017, 5:22 AM**

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Originally Posted by suburbia

That would be awesome. Great idea Chopper. There is also the horse track there, so all the pieces fit.

How so?

Please enlighten us with your wisdom.

Rollerstud98 · #**3987** Posted **Jun 15, 2017, 5:38 AM**

I'm thinking there was a fair amount of sarcasm there

Fuzz · #**3988** Posted **Jun 15, 2017, 12:06 PM**

Ask Ottawa how well their arena outside the city worked for them.

speedog · #**3989** Posted **Jun 15, 2017, 12:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by Rollerstud98

I'm thinking there was a fair amount of sarcasm there

Are you sure considering who the poster is.

suburbia · #**3990** Posted **Jun 16, 2017, 12:53 AM**

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Originally Posted by speedog

Are you sure considering who the poster is.

The irony is, while pointing the finger and claiming predictability, it is really you who are way more predictable. LOL!

speedog · #**3991** Posted **Jun 16, 2017, 2:18 AM**

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Originally Posted by suburbia

The irony is, while pointing the finger and claiming predictability, it is really you who are way more predictable. LOL!

Are you really that sure about that - your posts all have quite a similar theme to them.

CrossedTheTracks · #**3992** Posted **Jun 16, 2017, 2:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by speedog

Thread should be retitled as it will not be a downtown arena.

Why? If you want to say that neither CalgaryNext nor a Victoria Park arena are "downtown", I'm fine with that, but an arena at Olympic Way & 12 Ave is closer to more of downtown than CalgaryNext!

suburbia · #**3993** Posted **Jun 16, 2017, 3:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by speedog

Are you really that sure about that

Yes I am sure.

technomad · #**3994** Posted **Jun 16, 2017, 1:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by outoftheice

I think you're probably close to what we'll see. Instead of a CalgaryNext proposal that incorporated an arena/stadium/field-house my money is on a 'VicParkNext' proposal that will incorporate a new arena that is tied into a BMO expansion that would allow the arena to be used as over-flow convention space and will also tie into a revised Stampede Trail entertainment district proposal.

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Originally Posted by H.E.Pennypacker

This makes a lot of sense. The EV's success can justify enhancing the CRL's into the Vic Park area for a new arena/green line/mixed used area. Definitely at more cost overall but the benefit and chances for success are far greater than starting from scratch in the West Village (which even if it does cost the City less, it's more of a risk for success IMO).

I knew the City has been seriously looking at Vic Park as an alternative option. I was informed how the City would acquire the lands, seem some documentation on concepts, and done some analysis personally on the area prior to me leaving the City not too long ago.

Hopefully the city is going into full acquisition mode here.. massive potential in vic park, and based on how east village is going, I think CMLC is the right group to take it forward

Still think a new stadium could get into play, will be interesting to see how ambitious the plans are.. if the convention center expansion is going ahead, might not be a bad idea to plan for a +15 connection south from city hall into BMO too

suburbia · #**3995** Posted **Jun 16, 2017, 1:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by technomad

if the convention center expansion is going ahead, might not be a bad idea to plan for a +15 connection south from city hall into BMO too

Why?

I think the primary pedestrian path would be up Olympic Way to other entertainment / tourist items, and where the hotels are.

Not sure what the value to connect all the was to City Hall via a +15 would be. The connection to that more central part of the DT would be via the train anyway.

technomad · #**3996** Posted **Jun 16, 2017, 1:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by suburbia

Why?

I think the primary pedestrian path would be up Olympic Way to other entertainment / tourist items, and where the hotels are.

Not sure what the value to connect all the was to City Hall via a +15 would be. The connection to that more central part of the DT would be via the train anyway.

as an alternate means of getting there from DT, and to link up all the hotels that are already on the +15 network. trains can be very crowded depending on time of day, and it's always nice to have the indoor option in winter.

a +15 straight south would parallel Macleod, and wouldn't present much threat to a well developed stampede trail imo

suburbia · #**3997** Posted **Jun 16, 2017, 4:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by technomad

as an alternate means of getting there from DT, and to link up all the hotels that are already on the +15 network. trains can be very crowded depending on time of day, and it's always nice to have the indoor option in winter.

a +15 straight south would parallel Macleod, and wouldn't present much threat to a well developed stampede trail imo

I guess we'll see what happens. In my mind, the closest walking accessible hotels will be in East Village, in vicinity of the NMC, Library, and via the Olympic Way / entertainment development corridor.

If looking at major hotels in the core that would be BMO convention centre interest, they would be the Palliser, Hyatt, Sheraton, etc. Most would be a pinch of a ways from the BMO convention centre, largely because how long it takes to walk there (a convention is not a vacation where a longer stroll would be seen as positive). So I think the train will end up being critical, and event by event arrangements for extending the free fare zone for delegates will need to be managed (as is the case now for higher profile BMO centre events). Hotels for conventions are often not just for accommodations in the traditional sense, but also for satellite sessions. That is an element that will still need to be navigated in the new plan - by having a massive enhancement to mid and smaller rooms at the BMO and/or with addition of an appropriately flexible and capable hotel in the vicinity of Olympic Way. It is too bad that one or more of the condos along the nearby stretch of McLeod didn't have a major hotel element integrated. That would have been ideal.

technomad · #**3998** Posted **Jun 19, 2017, 1:49 PM**

Well there's still room nearby for new hotel builds, maybe the Marriot west of guardian will come back to life? I'm just thinking that any really large conference is going exhaust the nearby hotels, and that the fairmont/mariot/hyatt cluster with the telus conference center would make a decent satellite facility.

linking it with +15 lets the marketing folks boost the venue's indoor square footage number, and after sitting through sessions for a couple of hours, that 10 minute walk between sites might just be what some people are looking for.

Fuzz · #**3999** Posted **Jun 19, 2017, 2:33 PM**

The problem is, if you want to cross the tracks I think you need a +45.

technomad · #**4000** Posted **Jun 19, 2017, 3:01 PM**

certainly not an insurmountable problem.. I'm sure the parkade planned for the south side of 9av will be taller than that. not sure if the empty lots above red line tunnel could be developed or not, but even if the +15/45 connected from the parkade directly into the marriot site, the bridge wouldn't be much longer than what's being built at Chinook