Hard Rock Hotel and Casino [form Rideau Carleton Raceway and Casino] | Completed

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by roger1818

Hmm. I was thinking, both the Rideau Carleton RacewayHard Rock Casino and the proposed Bowesville LRT station are in the middle of nowhere. Guess what! They are only a couple kilometres apart. I wonder if just like the surprise Trim Rd, airport and Moodie Dr. LRT extensions, there will be a surprise Hard Rock Casino extension?

Why would we extend LRT to somewhere people might want to go? The terminus needs to be a parking lot in the bush.

Really, the problem is that Bowesville is west of Leitrim station whereas Rideau-Carleton is southeast. Almost the opposite direction.

[Horus]

Originally Posted by roger1818

Hmm. I was thinking, both the Rideau Carleton RacewayHard Rock Casino and the proposed Bowesville LRT station are in the middle of nowhere. Guess what! They are only a couple kilometres apart. I wonder if just like the surprise Trim Rd, airport and Moodie Dr. LRT extensions, there will be a surprise Hard Rock Casino extension?

I really doubt it. As lrt's friend said, it's in the wrong direction, but also it suits neither the city nor Hard Rock to do it.

It's in the wrong direction for the city, assuming they are trying to ultimately connect to Riverside South and/or Barrhaven. (perhaps if Greely is to be connected...but why?)

It's not in Hard Rock's interest to do it either. A casino like that does not want to make it easy for people to leave. If patrons are staying at the hotel, why would they want to put downtown Ottawa and other attractions within easy reach with a $3-$4 transit ticket? They want those people to stay in the casino as long as possible, spending more money. They want people to come in by the carload and stay as long as possible.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Horus

I really doubt it. As lrt's friend said, it's in the wrong direction, but also it suits neither the city nor Hard Rock to do it.

It's in the wrong direction for the city, assuming they are trying to ultimately connect to Riverside South and/or Barrhaven. (perhaps if Greely is to be connected...but why?)

It's not in Hard Rock's interest to do it either. A casino like that does not want to make it easy for people to leave. If patrons are staying at the hotel, why would they want to put downtown Ottawa and other attractions within easy reach with a $3-$4 transit ticket? They want those people to stay in the casino as long as possible, spending more money. They want people to come in by the carload and stay as long as possible.

I think they will claim this is their goal with talk of tourists and the like. In reality these projects get the bulk of their gambling revenue from local poor people. A demographic well served by an LRT line.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Why would we extend LRT to somewhere people might want to go? The terminus needs to be a parking lot in the bush.

They would want to send it to a destination where the owners will discretely line the pocketbooks of those making the decision.

Really, the problem is that Bowesville is west of Leitrim station whereas Rideau-Carleton is southeast. Almost the opposite direction.

Bowesville is more south than west of Leitrim station. What is one more S curve in a line that is already full of them? Or they could split the line and force those coming from Bowesville to change trains at Leitrim.

Originally Posted by Horus

It's not in Hard Rock's interest to do it either. A casino like that does not want to make it easy for people to leave. If patrons are staying at the hotel, why would they want to put downtown Ottawa and other attractions within easy reach with a $3-$4 transit ticket? They want those people to stay in the casino as long as possible, spending more money. They want people to come in by the carload and stay as long as possible.

Not sure I totally agree with you. Don't forget the Casino du Lac-Leamy encouraged the STO to have their own Casino Rapibus station less than 500m from the Les Galeries de Hull station

While you are correct that they don't want people to leave, they do want to make it easy for people to come. The reality is the type of person staying at a casino hotel isn't likely to use transit to go downtown, but, sad to say, there are many local residents who "need" help getting to the casino.

[rocketphish]

City needs more input before Rock-sino begins taking bets

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: August 24, 2017 | Last Updated: August 24, 2017 5:45 PM EDT


Hard Rock Casino Ottawa is taking over the Rideau Carleton Raceway starting in mid-September.
This drawing illustrates Hard Rock's vision for the casino and entertainment complex.

The City of Ottawa needs more public input on making the Rideau Carleton Raceway the capital’s gaming site before Hard Rock takes the reins of the horse track and casino.

The raceway on Albion Road has had Ontario Lottery and Gaming slot machines since 1998, but the city must meet a provincial regulation to gather public feedback because of a change in operator starting in mid-September.

That’s when the facility will be turned into Hard Rock Casino Ottawa.

After winning an OLG competition to provide gaming services, Hard Rock announced last May it’s partnering with the owners of the raceway on a $320-million multi-phase development that will eventually include a hotel, music venue and 13,000 square meters of gaming space.

Council has approved the property for 1,250 slot machines and 21 table games.

The OLG never did install table games, but Hard Rock plans to take advantage of it.

If Hard Rock installs table games like poker and roulette, it’s likely that the city will rake in more revenue, since the municipality receives a cut for hosting an OLG-sanctioned gaming facility.

The city intends to study the economic and social impacts of an expanded gaming operation at the raceway.

Along with a vote to allow table games at the site in 2011, council said the operator would need to complete transportation studies for the site and the city would need to complete a traffic management study. City staff will start working on those council directions in the fall.

Council’s finance and economic development committee is inviting people to provide feedback during a meeting on Sept. 5. More information is at ottawa.ca/RCRgaming.

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twitter.com/JonathanWilling

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-...ns-taking-bets

[Arcologist]

Such a stupid place for a casino... just sayin'...

[eltodesukane]

Maybe should be next to Canadian Tire Center.

[rocketphish]

Originally Posted by eltodesukane

Maybe should be next to Canadian Tire Center.

Oh, Eugene Melnyk tried...

[Arcologist]

Originally Posted by eltodesukane

Maybe should be next to Canadian Tire Center.

Would have been a better location, had the Senators continued playing there. Now, given the Sens move to a downtown arena at Lebreton, a casino in Kanata would be just as bad an idea as on Albion Rd.

It should be downtown. Anywhere downtown.

[silvergate]

Originally Posted by Arcologist

Would have been a better location, had the Senators continued playing there. Now, given the Sens move to a downtown arena at Lebreton, a casino in Kanata would be just as bad an idea as on Albion Rd.

It should be downtown. Anywhere downtown.

We really don't need a casino downtown.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by Arcologist

Would have been a better location, had the Senators continued playing there. Now, given the Sens move to a downtown arena at Lebreton, a casino in Kanata would be just as bad an idea as on Albion Rd.

It should be downtown. Anywhere downtown.

It ended up on Albion Road because Ottawa City Council didn't want it in the 1990s. Gloucester took advantage of the void before amalgamation. Ottawa City Council still doesn't want it downtown, but it could be the missing link if we built it between Bank and Bronson to connect the current downtown with the Lebreton and Zibi developments.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by Arcologist

It should be downtown. Anywhere downtown.

I'd love to hear where you think a raceway is going to be placed downtown.

Raceway or not, we already have a casino downtown - it's called Lac-Leamy. That's the closest you're going to get.

[eltodesukane]

Originally Posted by JHikka

... we already have a casino downtown - it's called Lac-Leamy. That's the closest you're going to get.

Yes, and Gatineau profits from it, not Ottawa.

[zzptichka]

Originally Posted by silvergate

We really don't need a casino downtown.

Why not though?

[rocketphish]

City moves to OK approvals for new casino
Residents will get a chance to weigh in on the new casino in the next couple weeks.

By: Kieran Delamont, Metro
Published on Mon Sep 04 2017

The city is moving another step closer towards the opening of a new casino—a plan that has been over five years in the making—at the Rideau Carleton Raceway in southern Ottawa, as the site prepares to hand over control to Hard Rock Casinos next month.

In a report that will go before the Finance and Economic Development Committee on September 5, staff recommended that the city move forward with the approval process necessary to open 21 gaming tables at the Raceway.

Though the site has been in operation since 1998, it has only had slot machines. The handover to Hard Rock, and the introduction of gaming tables (blackjack, roulette, etc.) requires the city to solicit public consultation as well as pass a number of regulatory approvals.

Hard Rock says they are planning a $320 million renovation of the site in the future.

This report is largely a formality; the only reason the city needs to solicit public response is because it is required to authorize the handover to Hard Rock Casinos.

http://www.metronews.ca/news/ottawa/...ew-casino.html

[TheGoods]

Originally Posted by Arcologist

Such a stupid place for a casino... just sayin'...

I have been to the one in Florida on the Seminole reserve, it wasn't anywhere near downtown. Not sure you will find land for what they are planning. I hope it will be similar, if so, it will be a resort with multiple pool areas, cabanas, spa, hotel, casino, music venue (theater) restaurants, nightclub and bars. Let's not forget the race track. Even Lac Leamy has acres of land.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Arcologist

Now, given the Sens move to a downtown arena at Lebreton, a casino in Kanata would be just as bad an idea as on Albion Rd.

I disagree. Have a look at the development around the Rideau Carleton Raceway:


As a comparison, look at the development around the Canadian Tire Centre (using the same scale):



A big difference.

Also, the Queensway (and several OC Transpo routes) runs right past the CTC, but Albion Rd is a long way from any highway and has limited bus service.

Now maybe there would be an even better location, but it isn't the same.

[lrt's friend]

There is a big difference. The Albion Road location is already established as a Casino. Kanata is not. There is not that much transit service around CTC but there is none to Albion Road other than a private service. This will change if the Albion Road facility becomes substantially larger and a bigger draw. Albion Road is surprisingly central to the city compared to Kanata, which makes access easier to much of the city.

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

There is a big difference. The Albion Road location is already established as a Casino. Kanata is not. There is not that much transit service around CTC but there is none to Albion Road other than a private service. This will change if the Albion Road facility becomes substantially larger and a bigger draw. Albion Road is surprisingly central to the city compared to Kanata, which makes access easier to much of the city.

Really? I find it a pain in the ass to get to Albion from just about anywhere...Kanata is on the Queensway, outside of rush hour you can get there in a jiffy from anywhere in the city.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Harley613

Really? I find it a pain in the ass to get to Albion from just about anywhere...Kanata is on the Queensway, outside of rush hour you can get there in a jiffy from anywhere in the city.

I've lived in the capital region for several decades, I've actually been to Rideau-Carleton maybe three times in my life, and I even once lived about 5-10 km away, and I still have no idea how I'd get there from here if I had to go.

It's far from being an intuitive location for most people, I'd say.