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Old Posted May 20, 2017, 4:37 AM
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Silly question maybe, but are all routes that heavily subsidized initially?
I think I read that they subsidize routes of secondary cities for a set period of about two years. I'm sure people will correct me.
     
     
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Old Posted May 20, 2017, 9:03 AM
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hope it's informative

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This will be a very interesting presentation.... and a prelude of things to come for WestJet.

As a YYC flyer, I'm worried that Calgary might get out maneuvered again on the international front.

https://www.boardoftrade.com/events/individual-events/1019-6163
Yes, it is essential that somebody (preferably more than one SSPer, attend this, and try getting as much info as possible, to relate). This is the start of another burst of "big-time."
     
     
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Old Posted May 20, 2017, 10:22 AM
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I think I read that they subsidize routes of secondary cities for a set period of about two years. I'm sure people will correct me.
PEK-NKG-SYD had been subsidized since 2012, and as of now, the government is still covering 70% of the loss.

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Another China Eastern news... 7 of the 11 weekly YVR-PVG will be up-gauged to 77W Aug01 to Sep17 (MU581/582)
     
     
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Old Posted May 20, 2017, 1:48 PM
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Direct AC flights to DEN from YVR started May 18. twice a day in the summer, then year-round once a day.


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Old Posted May 24, 2017, 12:24 AM
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Some interesting stats for the performance of China Eastern's KMG-NKG-YVR after the first ~70 days of operation

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		  $ (million RMB)
Operating Revenue	 26.0
Operating Cost		 65.8
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Net profit/loss		-39.8
Subsidy			 38.3
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Profit/loss w/ Subsidy	 -1.5
With the amount of subsidy, this is actually the best performing secondary route from NKG
I flew the route this morning, so I helped!

Anecdotal load factor was about 70-80% with dirt cheap fares.

Very pleasant experience with China Eastern though. I'd heard bad things but they were great in my eyes.
     
     
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Old Posted May 24, 2017, 5:17 AM
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Not sure if I like the new declaration machines at YVR. It's nice not having to fill out any paper form anymore, but they could make the interface a much more user friendly and appealling to say the least. I guess it made the experience slightly faster, but the lining up was a bit confusing.

I flew Air Canada Express from SJC. What a nice and roomy airport and a convenient connection to Silicon Valley vs. SFO. The plane was also full with lots of people connecting elsewhere. I even saw people connecting to YYZ, which doesn't seem that convenient.
     
     
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Old Posted May 24, 2017, 9:01 AM
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I was looking at flights from YVR to HKG today. Hong Kong Airlines has some pretty cheap flights (sub $400 one way) in July and out into October there are $600 round trip flights. This is a couple hundred dollars below AC. When you look at business class it's like $2000 cheaper. I'm not sure how business class compares between AC and HX but I really like HX in economy.

I recently had a few HX flights between HKG-PVG and PEK-HKG and I was very impressed. Got a full meal for both relatively short flights, they seemed to have a couple extra inches of seat pitch vs AC's 777s(seat guru says it's the same pitch but it honestly felt like more in HX, maybe it's just a factor of the 777HD feeling a bit more cramped). The A332 I flew on was 8 across in economy which was nice. The inflight entertainment seemed on par with AC. The flight attendants were all young, pretty and efficient but rather cold. If I were flying directly back to YVR from HKG I'd be taking HX. IF (and I mean IF) HX puts the A359 on the HKG-YVR run and maintains fares that low with more economy room, I think AC may have issues on this route. At the very least they will have to lower prices.
     
     
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Old Posted May 25, 2017, 12:45 AM
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Yeah, HX is great for all the reasons you mentioned. Great indeed if they force AC to reduce prices as their sardine can product is not appealing, nor have their prices been.
     
     
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Old Posted May 25, 2017, 2:17 AM
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Yeah, HX is great for all the reasons you mentioned. Great indeed if they force AC to reduce prices as their sardine can product is not appealing, nor have their prices been.
Air Canada did lower the price in sales due to the increased competition.
During the recent Mother's Day sales, you could get a round-trip flight from YVR to HKG for CAD$650.
     
     
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Old Posted May 25, 2017, 4:52 AM
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Some interesting stats for the performance of China Eastern's KMG-NKG-YVR after the first ~70 days of operation

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		  $ (million RMB)
Operating Revenue	 26.0
Operating Cost		 65.8
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Net profit/loss		-39.8
Subsidy			 38.3
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Profit/loss w/ Subsidy	 -1.5
With the amount of subsidy, this is actually the best performing secondary route from NKG

PEK-NKG-SYD over the same period is at -5.2M, CTU-NKG-LAX is at -6.3M
LOL, that's laughable, why even bother to throw "profit" in there? This is just another symptom of China's troubling credit bubble. Build the airports, subsidize the routes.
     
     
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Old Posted May 26, 2017, 8:35 AM
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Inaugural Season

Saw this posted yesterday.....

Summary of June additions:

1 June: AC to FRA and NGO
8 June: AC to TPE and LGW
23 June: AC to BOS
30 June: HX to HKG

Technically, all the AC routes are resumtpions. Nevertheless quite a decent number of new international routes in just one month.

http://www.yvr.ca/en/blog/2017/craigs-corner-inaugural-season
     
     
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Old Posted May 26, 2017, 4:49 PM
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Saw this posted yesterday.....

Summary of June additions:

1 June: AC to FRA and NGO
8 June: AC to TPE and LGW
23 June: AC to BOS
30 June: HX to HKG

Technically, all the AC routes are resumtpions. Nevertheless quite a decent number of new international routes in just one month.

http://www.yvr.ca/en/blog/2017/craigs-corner-inaugural-season
Resumptions? Craig says that Nagoya is a brand new destination
     
     
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Old Posted May 26, 2017, 6:59 PM
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Nagoya was served by Canadian Airlines IIRC so technically not a new route for Air Canada. But it is new for Rouge.
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Old Posted May 26, 2017, 7:04 PM
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Resumptions? Craig says that Nagoya is a brand new destination
Well, CP/AC flew to Nagoya Airport (now Nagoya Airfield or Nagoya-Komaki Airport) before, but not Nagoya-Centrair Airport, which only opened after AC cancelled the flight.

So technically, its a "new" destination
     
     
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Old Posted May 28, 2017, 2:24 AM
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Well, CP/AC flew to Nagoya Airport (now Nagoya Airfield or Nagoya-Komaki Airport) before, but not Nagoya-Centrair Airport, which only opened after AC cancelled the flight.

So technically, its a "new" destination
I knew about NGO, but I never knew AC flew yvr-FRA before. When did this happen?
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Old Posted May 28, 2017, 5:31 AM
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I knew about NGO, but I never knew AC flew yvr-FRA before. When did this happen?
YVR-FRA is also a former CP route as was AC YVR-FRA many many years ago.....
     
     
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Old Posted May 30, 2017, 3:27 AM
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Any ideas what AC7169 is doing? Just saw it fly over in a high bank turn quite low with a fighter jet type plane flying in formation. Promotional photoshoot?
The 787-9 is in the new livery which looks great from the ground.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ACA7169
     
     
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Old Posted May 30, 2017, 3:36 AM
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Any ideas what AC7169 is doing? Just saw it fly over in a high bank turn quite low with a fighter jet type plane flying in formation. Promotional photoshoot?
The 787-9 is in the new livery which looks great from the ground.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ACA7169
You probably got it right. Let's see the evidence:

-New livery
-non-standard AC flight number
-flying an odd route not point to point
-Tailed by small plane
     
     
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Old Posted May 30, 2017, 3:39 AM
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It's probably the same photo shoot plane that did the Rouge 767 shoot around Victoria. It was mistaken for a fighter jet then as well.
     
     
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