BC Political Discussion - BC Election 2017 May 9th

[cornholio]

Greens have only one goal, eliminate first past the post elections. The NDP will play ball and the Lib's can not. Also the Greens can not have any significant agreements with the Lib's. The Lib's will either be a bitch of the Greens / NDP for a time, unlikely, or they lose confidence and the Greens and NDP will form a coalition or something close to it and eliminate first past the post elections and we will be back at the polls in 2 years earliest or how ever long it takes to eliminate first past the post. Once that is done the next election is just a matter of time. The Greens can't lose or be punished if they eliminate first past the post elections, they can only win no matter what happens. The NDP would be at worst in the same position. The Lib's obviously would be worse off until they reformed as the Greens and NDP would form natural coalitions moving forward and would hold the majority of the votes in the next election and all subsequent elections until the Lib's pretty much morphed into a new party or new parties over the next several years came about to allow for different coalition arrangements some of which could work with a un reformed or only partially reformed lib party. I my self as a dual vote in and pay attention to a proportional election system, I do understand exactly how it works. Heck I vote in October.

Also Christy Clark is finished, good riddance I say, I think she is a shitty human being deep down inside and a manipulator. The type off person you if you have any ethics you don't want to be near.

[Jebby]

Originally Posted by cornholio

Greens have only one goal, eliminate first past the post elections.

Let's hope that doesn't happen any time soon.

[djmk]

Originally Posted by cornholio

I my self as a dual vote in and pay attention to a proportional election system, I do understand exactly how it works.

IMHO, a proportional election system is going to be a nightmare and could lead this province in a direction it never intended.

I predict an "Alt-Right", anti immigration, hard on crime, small government party's to spring up especially in the Interior. this party may not be the first choice vote for many people, but they definitely be the second choice.

[lubicon]

So electing a Green Speaker would result in the Liberals not being able to be defeated in a confidence vote (assuming all MLA's vote) as it would be 43-41-2 and therefore a tie vote with the Speaker casting the deciding vote. Great angle for the Liberals to try and work out.

[logicbomb]

@AJWVictoriaBC: "Not about picking NDP or picking Libs, it's about trying to ensure we have stability, get legislature in place." #bcpoli

What I said yesterday is that he would value stability. Looking towards next week but it would seem he's intent of siding with the Liberals.

[Stingray2004]

Originally Posted by logicbomb

@AJWVictoriaBC: "Not about picking NDP or picking Libs, it's about trying to ensure we have stability, get legislature in place." #bcpoli

What I said yesterday is that he would value stability. Looking towards next week but it would seem he's intent of siding with the Liberals.

Ageed. All statements/signals by Weaver into late Friday afternoon clearly point in that direction. Many here may not realize it yet, but a brilliant strategic move., esp. with how he will deal with same.

On a completely different note, after the election, many constitutional experts pointed to the 1985 ON election whereby the incumbent PCs held the majority of seats (albeit with a minority) while the opposition Libs and 3rd party NDP had a combined 21 more seats than the PCs.

After the 1985 election, the ON PCs attended the legislature for a Throne Speech, which was defeated by the ON House and the gov't fell. The then opposition Liberals and NDP had previously entered into a 2-year written accord, which was presented to then ON lieutenant-governor John Black Aird who accepted same with reasons:

In my capacity as Lieutenant-Governor of Ontario and as the representative of Her Majesty the Queen in Ontario, I have this day asked Mr. David Peterson to form a government, he having assured me that he can form a government which will have the confidence of the Legislative Assembly for a reasonable length of time.

The key tests by the LG here were "confidence of the house" (with combined 21-seat Lib/NDP majority) and confidence of holdng same over a reasonable period of time (2 years)

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/history-discretion-and-how-to-settle-an-election/

Then ON Liberal leader/preem David Peterson provided his context to BC's recent election result yesterday to the G & M:

“I am telling you it’s a recipe for mayhem,” Mr. Peterson says of the current B.C. scenario.

“It’s all about the numbers, and I don’t see an easy answer here. If it was one or two more, one way or another, it would be easier.

“This is the most fragile of fragile governments.”

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/bc-lxn-minoritygovernments/article35135239/

[WarrenC12]

Wowzers, looks like they are giving Clark the old heave-ho, or at least going to try:

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/...make-significant-announcement-1.20266578

[csbvan]

Well, I guess that is that. Greens and NDP have a joint press conference this afternoon, Green negotiations with Liberals for later today have been cancelled. I would say that an agreement has been reached.

[s211]

Originally Posted by csbvan

Well, I guess that is that. Greens and NDP have a joint press conference this afternoon, Green negotiations with Liberals for later today have been cancelled. I would say that an agreement has been reached.

Say goodbye to the economy. You heard it here first.

[240glt]

^ what economy ? BC's economy (asside for real estste) has been tepid for decades.

[libtard]

Goodbye Massey Bridge project

[WarrenC12]

Come on out, chicken littles!

[Bcasey25raptor]

Yay we won.

[retro_orange]

Originally Posted by s211

Say goodbye to the economy. You heard it here first.

Selling out everything to foreigners while wages remain flat is no healthy economy.

It's like a drug dealer selling you on a meth addiction as a healthy way of losing weight.

[Sheba]

B.C. Greens back NDP for minority government

A deal has been reached that paves the way for the NDP to form a minority government in British Columbia with support from the Green party.

NDP Leader John Horgan and Andrew Weaver of the Greens announced the agreement today that they say would allow for a stable minority government for the next four years.

Weaver said the Green caucus has voted in favour of the agreement and the NDP is scheduled to hold a vote on Tuesday.

Details of the agreement won't be released until the deal is approved by the New Democrat caucus.

...

Weaver said his office informed Clark of the outcome of its negotiations after trying to reach an agreement with both the Liberals and NDP.

Negotiations between the Green and Liberals parties were being held as late as Sunday night, Weaver said.

Under terms of the agreement, the Greens will support the NDP's legislative program but there are no plans for anyone in Weaver's caucus to serve in a cabinet position.

[IanS]

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

Yay we won.

News like this makes me glad I'm retiring this year.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Stingray2004

Ageed. All statements/signals by Weaver into late Friday afternoon clearly point in that direction. Many here may not realize it yet, but a brilliant strategic move., esp. with how he will deal with same.

On a completely different note, after the election, many constitutional experts pointed to the 1985 ON election whereby the incumbent PCs held the majority of seats (albeit with a minority) while the opposition Libs and 3rd party NDP had a combined 21 more seats than the PCs.

After the 1985 election, the ON PCs attended the legislature for a Throne Speech, which was defeated by the ON House and the gov't fell. The then opposition Liberals and NDP had previously entered into a 2-year written accord, which was presented to then ON lieutenant-governor John Black Aird who accepted same with reasons:



The key tests by the LG here were "confidence of the house" (with combined 21-seat Lib/NDP majority) and confidence of holdng same over a reasonable period of time (2 years)

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/history-discretion-and-how-to-settle-an-election/

Then ON Liberal leader/preem David Peterson provided his context to BC's recent election result yesterday to the G & M:


https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/bc-lxn-minoritygovernments/article35135239/

Ooops. Maybe not.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Ooops. Maybe not.

I can't help but take pleasure in Stingray's arrogant Liberal bias being proven wrong.

[Bcasey25raptor]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Ooops. Maybe not.

OH snap

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by s211

Say goodbye to the economy. You heard it here first.

The economy in BC - in the L.M. at any rate - has never been diversified enough, IMO.