PHILADELPHIA | Highrise Development Thread IX

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[iheartphilly]

Phillybydrone.com Very nice! On your website, the shots under One Franklin Tower show the Ritz Carlton. Can you fix that to actually show One Franklin?

[summersm343]

Philly slips from fifth to sixth, as Phoenix rises

Looks like it’s finally happened:

Philadelphia has slipped from the ranks of the five largest American cities, surpassed by that chunk of hot, dry sand known as Phoenix, Ariz.

The City of Brotherly Love is still growing, and for a 10th straight year, after decades of decline. That’s no small achievement for a constrained, old Eastern city.

The challenge is that cities in the South and West are growing much faster, and Phoenix had the largest increase of all — 32,113 people between July 2015 and July 2016.

While Philadelphia is adding eight people a day, Phoenix brings in 11 times that, 88 a day, according to Census Bureau statistics released Thursday.

Does it matter if Philadelphia falls from fifth to sixth?

Yes and no. Businesses here aren’t packing up and rushing West. But it can sting to see vibrant, historic Philadelphia overtaken by a city known for scrub and scorpions.

“I think the competition this will inspire is healthy — we always need to be upping our game — but in reality, it’s not a real loss,” Mayor Kenney said. “Phoenix’s metro area is still smaller than Philly’s, and Phoenix has grown in population in large part because of land annexation.”

The biggest difference between Phoenix and Philadelphia may be physical size. Philadelphia spans a compact 135 square miles, but Phoenix covers 517 — half the size of Rhode Island.

People in Phoenix are much more spread out. In fact, its population density is roughly that of Bensalem.

Read more here:
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/pennsy...rom-fifth-to-sixth-as-Phoenix-rises.html

[summersm343]

Philadelphia breaks visitor record ... again

It's always sunny in Philadelphia when the five-county region continues to break its own visitation records.

The five-country Philadelphia region in 2015 hit an all-time visitation record when 41 million people visited. It was the first time more than 40 million came to Greater Philadelphia, and it marked the sixth consecutive year of record visitation.

And Philadelphia added another record in 2016.

About 42 million people came to the region in 2016, according to new data from Visit Philadelphia, representing the seventh year of record visitation.

Last year's visitors spent $6.8 billion, mostly on food and drinks and lodging, according to the report, generating about $11 billion in economic impact, or about $30 million a day.

The direct visitor spending also generated about $634 million in tax revenue for state and local governments, and it supported 96,600 jobs, according to Visit Philadelphia.

http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/news/2017/05/25/visit-philly-how-many-tourists-in-2016.html

[Bariscos]

Originally Posted by summersm343

Philly slips from fifth to sixth, as Phoenix rises



Read more here:
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/pennsy...rom-fifth-to-sixth-as-Phoenix-rises.html

But who wants to live in Phoenix?

[Philly Fan]

^^ Yep. I'd be more concerned if Phoenix had risen above Philly on THIS list:

http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-most-visited-cities-in-the-us.html

[Gonzo the Great]

Philadelphia is going to lose out this year. We’re going to fall down a notch on one of those the top 10 lists that is actually about real information and not something pulled out of thin air (best city for trick-or-treating, y’all!).

As the Inquirer pointed out in an article dissecting population changes from the latest Census, Phoenix is likely going to surpass us in population this year and become the fifth-largest city in the United States. We’ll probably go down to No. 6, with a 2016 population of 1,567,872, compared to Phoenix, which is expected to grow by about 20,000 residents to about 1,580,000. No more top five and that kind of sucks.

But here’s the thing: Philadelphia is not really losing. We’re on an entirely different playing field, a land-locked, dense, actually urban playing field. Phoenix is not. It and some of the other big cities sneaking up behind Philadelphia in population aren’t playing the same game. They shouldn’t be compared because they are so much bigger in physical area and, in some cases, they continue to count their growth because they’re adding land.

As of today, the city of Phoenix — not the metro area, which would include all their massive suburbs like Chandler and Glendale and Scottsdale — spans about 517 square land miles. Philadelphia spans 135 square miles. That’s about one-fourth the size.

Of the top 10 cities Philadelphia is the smallest in geographic size and it is No. 2 in population density, behind New York City and basically even with Chicago.

City 2015 Population Square land miles Population Density (people per square mile)
New York 8,550,405 305 28,034
Los Angeles 3,971,896 472 8,415
Chicago 2,720,556 237 11,479
Houston 2,298,628 655 3,509
Philadelphia 1,567,442 135 11,610
Phoenix 1,563,001 517 3,023
San Antonio 1,469,824 467 3,147
San Diego 1,394,907 325 4,292
Dallas 1,300,082 385 3,376
San Jose 1,026,919 180 5,705


And San Antonio is on the verge of another 66 sq. mile land grab that will probably add an additional 200,000 in population .

[Milksteak]

Yeah Phoenix is like 4 times the size of Philly in land area, who gives a shit if their population surpassed ours. They are going through a phase of suburban sprawl, we did that a long time ago, now we are growing up.

Besides, Boston has much more reason to be pissed than us

[Yurkek]

Originally Posted by Gonzo the Great

Philadelphia is going to lose out this year. We’re going to fall down a notch on one of those the top 10 lists that is actually about real information and not something pulled out of thin air (best city for trick-or-treating, y’all!).

I would take quality over quantity. I think technically Philadelphia can surrender some of its land and become more effective at managing what it has. Obviously that's nor possible or needed, but I am glad we don't have annexation plans on the table.

[thisisforreal]

This was brought up a few weeks ago but now it's official:

Crown Cork & Seal leaving Philly.

[summersm343]

Originally Posted by thisisforreal

This was brought up a few weeks ago but now it's official:

Crown Cork & Seal leaving Philly.

Whomp whomp. They seem like a perfect fit for the Navy Yard honestly. Hopefully they stay within the Philadelphia Metro area.

[Londonee]

Originally Posted by summersm343

Whomp whomp. They seem like a perfect fit for the Navy Yard honestly. Hopefully they stay within the Philadelphia Metro area.

They'll whore themselves out to whichever tax-payer funded municipality throws them crazy tax breaks for the next 15 years, then move into some awful mid-80s, beige-walled complex, rape the town of tax revenue and then up and leave in 2032 and find some other sucker town to do it all over again. Keep it classy Crown. Hey, here's looking at you Camden!

[summersm343]

Originally Posted by Londonee

They'll whore themselves out to whichever tax-payer funded municipality throws them crazy tax breaks for the next 15 years, then move into some awful mid-80s, beige-walled complex, rape the town of tax revenue and then up and leave in 2032 and find some other sucker town to do it all over again. Keep it classy Crown. Hey, here's looking at you Camden!

Is it sad to say I would honestly be perfectly fine with them moving to Camden? Lol. I agree with you 100% though. This corporate welfare in America is just sad.

[Urbanthusiat]

Can't say I blame them, honestly. Northeast Philly just isn't the kind of place a Fortune 500 company would want to be. If not Philly, then I'm hoping for Camden or Bala Cynwyd. Wouldn't be surprised if they end up in KOP or Malvern, either. I just really hope they stay in the area.

[Knight Hospitaller]

^ Having been on Roosevelt Blvd for years, very close to the county line, they've been Philly in name only. They've never done the "urban thing."

[Gonzo the Great]

Originally Posted by Milksteak

Yeah Phoenix is like 4 times the size of Philly in land area, who gives a shit if their population surpassed ours. They are going through a phase of suburban sprawl, we did that a long time ago, now we are growing up.

Besides, Boston has much more reason to be pissed than us

Ok , one last thing about all this non sense shit .
Everyone posting here is aware Phoenix is four times larger than Philly in land area . I think some are aware that the tallest tower in Phoenix
is something like 483' , with no towers under construction or proposed @ a higher altitude . I posted the fore mentioned article for " thread "
consumption , not to start WW III over " my dog's bigger than your dog " claims , but I'm a bit confused about your statement stating the city
of Boson having bigger reasons to be pissed than we are . The last I checked , there are more than 667,000 residents sardined into a 46+ sq. mi.
area with several towers topping 700 ft. That's pretty damn dense and nothing to frown about . Guess it's apparent , I like Boston .

[JohnIII]

Originally Posted by Gonzo the Great

Philadelphia is going to lose out this year. We’re going to fall down a notch on one of those the top 10 lists that is actually about real information and not something pulled out of thin air (best city for trick-or-treating, y’all!).

As the Inquirer pointed out in an article dissecting population changes from the latest Census, Phoenix is likely going to surpass us in population this year and become the fifth-largest city in the United States. We’ll probably go down to No. 6, with a 2016 population of 1,567,872, compared to Phoenix, which is expected to grow by about 20,000 residents to about 1,580,000. No more top five and that kind of sucks.

But here’s the thing: Philadelphia is not really losing. We’re on an entirely different playing field, a land-locked, dense, actually urban playing field. Phoenix is not. It and some of the other big cities sneaking up behind Philadelphia in population aren’t playing the same game. They shouldn’t be compared because they are so much bigger in physical area and, in some cases, they continue to count their growth because they’re adding land.

As of today, the city of Phoenix — not the metro area, which would include all their massive suburbs like Chandler and Glendale and Scottsdale — spans about 517 square land miles. Philadelphia spans 135 square miles. That’s about one-fourth the size.

Of the top 10 cities Philadelphia is the smallest in geographic size and it is No. 2 in population density, behind New York City and basically even with Chicago.

City 2015 Population Square land miles Population Density (people per square mile)
New York 8,550,405 305 28,034
Los Angeles 3,971,896 472 8,415
Chicago 2,720,556 237 11,479
Houston 2,298,628 655 3,509
Philadelphia 1,567,442 135 11,610
Phoenix 1,563,001 517 3,023
San Antonio 1,469,824 467 3,147
San Diego 1,394,907 325 4,292
Dallas 1,300,082 385 3,376
San Jose 1,026,919 180 5,705


And San Antonio is on the verge of another 66 sq. mile land grab that will probably add an additional 200,000 in population .

This is very well said; very well said.

Houston, now Phoenix, also Dallas and San Antonio are cities that often do land grabs; the annex land and add to their populations; add people coming from Latin America and you have a growing population that doesn't reflect a growing city with businesses, infrastructure, or urban density.

On a slightly different note; almost every country in the world includes city and suburban populations; I wonder why America doesn't?

[Milksteak]

Originally Posted by Gonzo the Great

Ok , one last thing about all this non sense shit .
Everyone posting here is aware Phoenix is four times larger than Philly in land area . I think some are aware that the tallest tower in Phoenix
is something like 483' , with no towers under construction or proposed @ a higher altitude . I posted the fore mentioned article for " thread "
consumption , not to start WW III over " my dog's bigger than your dog " claims , but I'm a bit confused about your statement stating the city
of Boson having bigger reasons to be pissed than we are . The last I checked , there are more than 667,000 residents sardined into a 46+ sq. mi.
area with several towers topping 700 ft. That's pretty damn dense and nothing to frown about . Guess it's apparent , I like Boston .

I think you took my post as something it wasn't...in essence, I'm agreeing with you. It's silly to compare Phoenix to Philly. I only brought Boston into it because of their <100 sq mile land mass, so if anybody should be upset for not making the top population 'rankings', it should be them

[City Wide]

Originally Posted by Londonee

They'll whore themselves out to whichever tax-payer funded municipality throws them crazy tax breaks for the next 15 years, then move into some awful mid-80s, beige-walled complex, rape the town of tax revenue and then up and leave in 2032 and find some other sucker town to do it all over again. Keep it classy Crown. Hey, here's looking at you Camden!

As someone mentioned, corporate welfare. Plus its a race to the bottom.

[Gonzo the Great]

Plans for Boston's Tallest Residential Tower in Jeopardy

There could be trouble in the skies for the Winthrop Square Tower proposal in Boston. The Massachusetts Port Authority (Massport), which operates Logan International Airport, has threatened to put the kibosh on current plans for the 775-foot tower, which would be the tallest residential building in New England. The development by Millennium Partners and Handel Architects would replace the Winthrop Square Garage with a soaring 55-storey tower , but may top out at 710' if at all .



Speaking of Boston . I'm posting this here because it may help to soften the blow of the many towers that have been downsized or
eliminated all together in Philly . Besides , I can't find a thread for Boston .