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Originally Posted by combusean
I live in SF and have for 4 years.
It has a lot of advantages from an urbanist's perspective, but it has a lot of dysfunction like filth and crime and idiots on the board of supervisors and slooowwwww transit that can make it really unlivable. I could go way on, but it's offtopic.
However, no tech company is going to "move" from San Francisco to Phoenix until Phoenix is actually amenable to people with money, there's a local equivalent of venture capitalists on Sand Hill Road in Menlo Park, and they can hire and attract quality engineers and professional talent. I've been gone from Phoenix for five years and I haven't seen anything to indicate the city has made any significant strides in this area.
Moreover, this dovetails into this greater confusion between actual tech companies that have their management and engineering talent in the Bay Area and "tech companies" that expand to Phoenix to hire a bunch of customer service representatives or other low-wage work.
Christine Mackay's confusion of this along with her dis against California more or less guarantee the second-rate nature of Phoenix's business development. People here are way too savvy to be confused by fluffers like her.
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I can tell you that things have absolutely changed in Phoenix. I work for a company that is moving ALL operations here from high-cost locations (SF, NY, LA) *because* they can find more than customer service reps (BA's, PM's, technologists, etc.) at 1/2 the cost simply due the lower cost of real estate and COL. California's best days are behind it. Not saying Phoenix's best days are ahead but the dynamic IS changing. Companies are moving jobs here because of an attractive mix of talent and value. There's very little value to found in Cali outside the bleeding edge technologists that, I agree, are difficult to come by outside the major knowledge centers like SF, LA, NY, Boston and DC. But the times are a changing for real in Phoenix this time. I would be very surprised if you didn't see this trend continue and Phoenix emerge as a major hub of technology talent. On par with Silicon Valley? Of course not. But Silicon Valley is singular. SF is not. It's a once world-class city that is succumbing to pitfalls of a cultural and socio-economic landscape firmly divided by the haves and have-nots. And the -nots are increasing faster than the haves. The trend will continue and once critical mass is achieved, even the top talent will be cultivated and kept here. Not ALL of it. But a lot of it.
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