Salt Lake MSA Development Thread

[Future Mayor]

I hope that in the future that the portion of the WinCo parking lot that faces Main will be redeveloped into housing or office. I am estimating that the number of stalls in the WinCo lot is going to be more than enough to serve the store, and it could easily be reduced with the creation of more residential. If they refuse to reduce the number of parking spaces in the future they could always structure it, (Harmons City Creek, Smith's Market Place) As more and more residential is built along the S-line WinCo will get more and more customers coming via transit and it will provide the data needed to argue for a reduction in parking needed.

As for the Liquor store, I say keep the existing store, but build one near this WinCo development. I know the State likes to control every aspect of liquor, but maybe they don't need to own the building, maybe they could be on the first floor of a residential building fronting Main.

[Stenar]

I don't know about that. The Winco in Midvale frequently fills its much larger parking lot.

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

I hope that in the future that the portion of the WinCo parking lot that faces Main will be redeveloped into housing or office. I am estimating that the number of stalls in the WinCo lot is going to be more than enough to serve the store, and it could easily be reduced with the creation of more residential. If they refuse to reduce the number of parking spaces in the future they could always structure it, (Harmons City Creek, Smith's Market Place) As more and more residential is built along the S-line WinCo will get more and more customers coming via transit and it will provide the data needed to argue for a reduction in parking needed.

As for the Liquor store, I say keep the existing store, but build one near this WinCo development. I know the State likes to control every aspect of liquor, but maybe they don't need to own the building, maybe they could be on the first floor of a residential building fronting Main.

[Future Mayor]

Originally Posted by Stenar

I don't know about that. The Winco in Midvale frequently fills its much larger parking lot.

I guess it really all depends on what Midvale's parking requirements are vs SSL's parking requirements. Most cities, maybe not Midvale according to your observations, have parking requirements well in excess of what will ever actually be used. I would be curious to look at Midvale's in that area of the city where WinCo is and compare there requirements to other cites.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

I guess it really all depends on what Midvale's parking requirements are vs SSL's parking requirements. Most cities, maybe not Midvale according to your observations, have parking requirements well in excess of what will ever actually be used. I would be curious to look at Midvale's in that area of the city where WinCo is and compare there requirements to other cites.

I just counted all of the parking spaces. Midvale's has 538 and SSL's will have 443. So, Midvale's isn't as large as I thought it would be compared to the new one, but still has more capacity, which is regularly filled.

I fail to see how the cities' parking requirements would impact the number of people who actually show up to shop at Winco. Midvale has a larger parking lot and regularly fills it, so I would expect the SSL store to regularly fill its parking lot as well.

Winco isn't a regular supermarket. They attract people from a wider area than a normal market would.

[Future Mayor]

Originally Posted by Stenar

I just counted all of the parking spaces. Midvale's has 538 and SSL's will have 443. So, Midvale's isn't as large as I thought it would be compared to the new one, but still has more capacity, which is regularly filled.

I fail to see how the cities' parking requirements would impact the number of people who actually show up to shop at Winco. Midvale has a larger parking lot and regularly fills it, so I would expect the SSL store to regularly fill its parking lot as well.

Winco isn't a regular supermarket. They attract people from a wider area than a normal market would.

The number of parking lots doesn't effect how many people come to shop. The majority of cities have parking regulations, 1 spot per a specific number of sq ft per different type of use, and most of the time these minimums are very excessive. Obviously the Midvale code isn't excessive, as you have pointed out that WinCo is very often full, and based on your count the SSL code may not be excessive either.

Due to it's proximity to the S-line it would make sense that SSL would have a more appropriate ratio.

[delts145]

The Wilshire corridor here in L.A is today what State St. will be in the future. Grocer's parking lots have converted to multi level parking structures, surrounded by the Grocer, and a number of 5,6-plus story residential. We're not talking Downtown, but central L.A., between Downtown and Century City. Very much around the distance of say South Salt Lake or Murray. There are two Ralphs(Smith's)that I frequent, which have gone this route. Given the location next to the S-line, future BRT and multiple transit advantages, I can see a major buildup happening in this vicinity in the not too distant future. Twenty years from now a parking structure servicing the residential and commercial for this location will make total sense. This area is going to be hot as hell, even ten years from now.

[EPdesign]

Some renderings of the new "Downtown," in South Salt Lake. I can appreciate that they are trying

http://www.sltrib.com/home/5117001-1...e1490994137146

[i-215]

Originally Posted by Stenar

Winco isn't a regular supermarket. They attract people from a wider area than a normal market would.

That is true. I drive 6+ miles to shop at mine. I would never do that for Smith's.

That being said, I've never seen a lot full. I have seen it get nearly full to the first cross-access aisle (transverse internal road). I bet they could get away with half as many spaces. Even then, we're still talking about hundreds of spaces. Far more than a typical supermarket.

[Liberty Wellsian]

Originally Posted by EPdesign

Some renderings of the new "Downtown," in South Salt Lake. I can appreciate that they are trying

http://www.sltrib.com/home/5117001-1...e1490994137146

I'm with you. Winco has a lot of parking but its necessary. This is a big improvement. You gaoota start somwhere. I'd like to see SLC take a similar approach to state from about 800 s to 21st. The area is prime for redevelopment and centrally located. At the least you would think they could attract a suburban style office park, medical offices, or the headquarters of a few small companies. You would think that SLCC would attract an apartment development or 2. There are some that are upset about all the affordable housing on N Temple and I gotta say that I would love to see some of that down here on state. Eventually there needs to be a continuous ribbon of live work play from downtown through SSL and into SH.

[delts145]

^^^
I like the look of these apartments by Boyer

Artist's rendition courtesy of South Salt Lake UTA's Streetcar whizzes past an apartment complex that will be built between State and Main streets adjacent to the rail line in an artist's rendition of housing that will be built within The Crossing Development in South Salt Lake.http://www.sltrib.com/home/5117001-1...e1490994137146

[Stenar]

Does anyone know what's happening across the street from the newer Holladay Village development?

A resident of Holladay asked me today if I knew what was going on there, as a building across the street from Holladay Village Plaza had been demolished.

I can't seem to find anythinga about it.

UPDATE:
Never mind. I just found that it's going to be a Harmon's grocery with attached small shops, opening Fall 2017.



"If everything goes according to plan, by the fall of 2017 Harmons will be the new neighborhood grocer for Holladay Plaza, located at 2300 E. Murray Holladay Road. In February, demolition will begin where Rice Basil, Great Harvest and Top It were once located.

Though this will mean saying goodbye to a few local favorites, Harmons is pegged to be a welcome addition to the village. However, some residents are sad to see these restaurants like Rice Basic move to Murray.

Residents who frequent the Great Harvest will be relieved to know that during the demolition and construction phase of Harmons, Great Harvest hopes to move into a space across Murray Holladay Road in the Holladay Village. If all goes according to plan, Great Harvest will move back into the Holladay Plaza area once the new buildings are complete."

Source: http://www.cottonwoodholladayjournal...lladay-village

[(Eco)nomy_404]

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(KUTV) — The Utah Department of Transportation announced its Top 10 construction projects for 2017 April 12, which the department said would include new interchanges, freeway reconstructions, new highways, and widening and repaving projects.

http://kutv.com/news/local/udot-to-a...jects-for-2017

[delts145]

Nice catch Stenar. They had done a reasonably okay job with what they had to work with on that old 50's/60's style building, but it was still fairly ugly for that particular corner. The Harmon's rendering shows they will be continuing with that same design theme as the Holladay Village across the street, which I think is a much better Vibe for that corner.

Originally Posted by Stenar

Does anyone know what's happening across the street from the newer Holladay Village development?

A resident of Holladay asked me today if I knew what was going on there, as a building across the street from Holladay Village Plaza had been demolished.

I can't seem to find anythinga about it.

UPDATE:
Never mind. I just found that it's going to be a Harmon's grocery with attached small shops, opening Fall 2017.



"If everything goes according to plan, by the fall of 2017 Harmons will be the new neighborhood grocer for Holladay Plaza, located at 2300 E. Murray Holladay Road. In February, demolition will begin where Rice Basil, Great Harvest and Top It were once located.

Though this will mean saying goodbye to a few local favorites, Harmons is pegged to be a welcome addition to the village. However, some residents are sad to see these restaurants like Rice Basic move to Murray.

Residents who frequent the Great Harvest will be relieved to know that during the demolition and construction phase of Harmons, Great Harvest hopes to move into a space across Murray Holladay Road in the Holladay Village. If all goes according to plan, Great Harvest will move back into the Holladay Plaza area once the new buildings are complete."

Source: http://www.cottonwoodholladayjournal...lladay-village

[StevenF]

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Sorry, I don't usually re-post the YouTube links but that one was broken where the Video link at the bottom didn't work either. Usually like to tell people that all you need is the jibberish at the end of the address when you have it opened in YouTube.

For this video it was nsrEQCstqXQ

[jedikermit]

Originally Posted by StevenF

• Video Link

Sorry, I don't usually re-post the YouTube links but that one was broken where the Video link at the bottom didn't work either. Usually like to tell people that all you need is the jibberish at the end of the address when you have it opened in YouTube.

For this video it was nsrEQCstqXQ

with the interchanges on Bangerter, are they all transitioning to traffic light-less intersections? Like they have on 7800 and others?

[billbillbillbill]

Originally Posted by jedikermit

with the interchanges on Bangerter, are they all transitioning to traffic light-less intersections? Like they have on 7800 and others?

They will all be converted eventually.

They have 2 done (7800 s, redwood)
They have 1 almost done (600 west)
They have 4 being done over the next 2 years (5400,7000,9000,11400)

The rest will be done when funding permits.



http://www.udot.utah.gov/bangerter/

[EPdesign]

You guys. In Sandy, on the West Side of the freeway...there is a concrete structure going up behind an almost complete office building. It looks like that concert structure will be residential. Is this part of those two residential towers they were wanting for a while or does anyone have any info on this project? Thanks

[airportvids]

Originally Posted by EPdesign

You guys. In Sandy, on the West Side of the freeway...there is a concrete structure going up behind an almost complete office building. It looks like that concert structure will be residential. Is this part of those two residential towers they were wanting for a while or does anyone have any info on this project? Thanks

I think you are talking about the new hotel in South Jordan at the front runner station . It will be 8 stories.

[Liberty Wellsian]

They took down the Ritz bowling pin. Weren't they going to keep it to confuse the hell out of people?

The developments on the S -Line at 400 e are starting to come together (sorry no pics). The Townhomes look like they will be done soon.

[DCRes]

Originally Posted by Liberty Wellsian

They took down the Ritz bowling pin. Weren't they going to keep it to confuse the hell out of people?

The developments on the S -Line at 400 e are starting to come together (sorry no pics). The Townhomes look like they will be done soon.

I read in an article the other day (I don't remember where) that they were taking the pin down for repairs but that it would return. It is considered iconic and part of the fabric of the area