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[ethereal_reality]

I don't believe we've seen this amazing photograph on NLA.

Construction worker with Los Angeles City Hall. [no date]


http://www.imgrum.org/media/1257497809428129966_3070464841

Anyone know which building he's working on?

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[unihikid]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I don't believe we've seen this amazing photograph on NLA.

Construction worker with Los Angeles City Hall. [no date]


http://www.imgrum.org/media/1257497809428129966_3070464841

Anyone know which building he's working on?

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wouldn't that be the federal court?

[HossC]

With the Times building just above the the beam on the right, I agree, that must be the United States Court House. It was completed in 1940, so I'd date the photo at late-30s.

[tovangar2]

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[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

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Taken Dec. 25th, 1878. View on No. 4 Vine St. Los Angeles

So where would #4 Vine St. be today? When I type the address in google maps it sends me to 1400 Vine Street.

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Hollywood wasn't founded until 1887. In any case the Vine Street in Hollywood was miles from the Los Angeles city limits.

I thought maybe there was a "Vine Street" in LA too, which was changed after Hollywood was annexed. It doesn't appear on Steve Morse's list, however, there's an 1896 advertisement for a Vine St florist at "the second house west of Vermont. [Take the] Traction car to Vermont Ave and Vine St"

Another advert recommends taking the University car to Hoover and Forrester, go west on Forrester 3 blocks to Vine St, second house on Vine west of Vermont.

Or, also from 1896, "Take Third St electric car to Vermont Ave and Vine St"

Someone here knows those routes.

But your photo is from 20 years earlier.

[Flyingwedge]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I don't believe we have seen this early stereo-view.


ebay


Taken Dec. 25th, 1878. View on No. 4 Vine St. Los Angeles


So where would #4 Vine St. be today? When I type the address in google maps it sends me to 1400 Vine Street.


An abundance of beautiful plants for Christmas Day.

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That's a great photo, e_r. I wonder if the people are transplanted easterners, marveling at a Christmas without snow?

Here's part of the 1888 Sanborn Map, showing Vine was one block west of Alameda, between Jackson and East Second.
The 1888 map also shows there are houses on only the west side of Vine north of First Street, with the lowest house
number being 13 (just north of First). The east side of Vine north of First is all commercial, as are both sides of Vine
south of First. So I'm not sure exactly where 4 Vine would have been in 1878:



ProQuest via LAPL


Here's roughly the same area now; Vine south of First is now Central, and Vine north of First is gone, as is Jackson:



Googlemap


As long as we're looking at Vine Street, here's a photo dated c. 1890-1908. It's titled, "Vine Street looking south from
near First Street," which would mean that's Vine's "T" intersection with either First or Second Street in the distance:



489285 @ HDL


However, in 1888 Vine already crossed First and by 1894 would also cross Second (where it turned into Wolfskill, later
renamed Central), so the photo probably isn't looking south.

Here's a piece of the 1906 Sanborn -- by which time all of Vine had been renamed Central -- that shows where the north
end of Vine/Central ends at Jackson. I believe the photo above shows 145 and 147 Vine/Central on the left ("145" might
be over the porch), then 151, which comes all the way out to the sidewalk:



ProQuest via LAPL


Here's a closer view of the "looking south on Vine" photo. To the right of the darker building in the foreground (151),
I think I can see a bit of the house (light wall and dark window frames) on the end of the block that's set on a bit of
an angle to the street. And is that a Pepper tree in the extreme right foreground?:

[HossC]

It looks like Vine survived for a while after it was connected to Central Avenue (no sign of Wolfskill here). This map is from 1894. I've arrowed Vine near the center.


Detail of map at www.historicmapworks.com

To show the mix of residents, here are the listings from two City Directories around the time of e_r's picture:

1878
Cuzner Jas (agt J G Jackson) 6 Vine.
Hodgkins M E (H & Wood), res 4 Vine.
Mallony.Richard, carriage maker, res 10 Vine.
Murray Mrs L, dressmaker, Vine nr 1st.
Nolte Theo, tailor, res 14 Vine.
Shipman E M, 12 Vine.
TUTTLE W H, agt Singer Sewing Machine Co, 8 Vine.
Wood M E (Hodgkins & W), res 4 Vine,
Wolfarth A, saloon, 123 Main res Vine nr 1st.

1879-80
Cusner James, res 6 Vine
Decker Henry, plumber, res 14 Vine
Delaney P H, tinner, 110 Main, res Vine
Howard Bryant (of Foster, Howard & Co), res 8 Vine
Molonv R, (of Molony & Fennessy) res 10 Vine
Moran Samuel E, painter, res 12 Vine
STROHM THOMAS, grocer, cor First, and Vine

[BifRayRock]

Thank you JMR for the "Beautiful View" tip, and a reminder that I may have overlooked that source.




East of Bob Hope/Burbank Airport.


Where Winona Avenue intersects with Ontario Street, circa 1940. http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/p15799coll170/id/90934


Easterly view on Winona Ave.




Looks like the San-Val Drive-In Theater, 2720 Winona Avenue. Opened June 1938.


Was it in use during WWII?

"Top of the world, Ma?"

http://www.driveinmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/09.jpg


1967
http://www.jbhs1967.com/burbanktheaters/images/SanVal-from-Winona-Ave.jpg





Brusso Winery




Ontario Street sign




Wonderful tree






Looking west on Winona, toward the airport.






























WigWag, remember to bring the cork screw.

[odinthor]

Originally Posted by HossC

It looks like Vine survived for a while after it was connected to Central Avenue (no sign of Wolfskill here). This map is from 1894. I've arrowed Vine near the center.


Detail of map at www.historicmapworks.com

To show the mix of residents, here are the listings from two City Directories around the time of e_r's picture:

1878
Cuzner Jas (agt J G Jackson) 6 Vine.
Hodgkins M E (H & Wood), res 4 Vine.
Mallony.Richard, carriage maker, res 10 Vine.
Murray Mrs L, dressmaker, Vine nr 1st.
Nolte Theo, tailor, res 14 Vine.
Shipman E M, 12 Vine.
TUTTLE W H, agt Singer Sewing Machine Co, 8 Vine.
Wood M E (Hodgkins & W), res 4 Vine,
Wolfarth A, saloon, 123 Main res Vine nr 1st.

1879-80
Cusner James, res 6 Vine
Decker Henry, plumber, res 14 Vine
Delaney P H, tinner, 110 Main, res Vine
Howard Bryant (of Foster, Howard & Co), res 8 Vine
Molonv R, (of Molony & Fennessy) res 10 Vine
Moran Samuel E, painter, res 12 Vine
STROHM THOMAS, grocer, cor First, and Vine

I was sifting through the files of the L.A. Times about Vine St., and ran across plenty of mentions which unfortunately did not pin-point the exact location, though from various clues I theorized a general neighborhood, which turned out to be where it was. Thomas Strohm's store was address 63 First St., "at the corner of Vine," according to his 1881 ad--but that didn't help because I didn't know how the addresses lined up on the street.

What became clear, though, was that Vine was pretty dicey in the 1880s. Nearly all the newspaper stories concerned petty crimes and such (lots of drunks, "man threatens wife with gun," stolen vehicles etc. being found on Vine); others were of the nature of "woman hit with brick falling from building, taken to her Vine St. home, where she is recovering." I ran across one touching story concerning the "dog follows master's coffin to grave, refuses to leave or eat" situation; but I didn't see that it had anything to do with Vine St.

The whole area had been vineyards and orchards back in the Mexican era, so Vine St. must have been named when there was some remaining patch of vineyard on the acreage it traversed.

[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

Here's part of the 1888 Sanborn Map, showing Vine was one block west of Alameda, between Jackson and East Second.

Where was Vine and Vermont in those Los Angeles Herald ads? Hoover and Forrester is a mystery to me too.

[Martin Pal]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I didn't realize the exciting part of the ride was the ascent back to the surface.

You can witness the moment the Pacific Ocean Park Diving Bell burst to the surface at the 1:24 mark in the short video below.

• Video Link
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After watching the video you linked, E_R, I started looking at several other Pacific Ocean Park videos, too.

I found this one that shows the same thing as your link, but it's in color at around the 4:20 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyvLBKK-nWU

I know we've covered various aspects of P.O.P. before. Not surprisingly, lots of TV shows were filmed in P.O.P. and scenes from them are on youtube, including a lengthy one from "I Spy," where the leads are looking for a young boy who stole something from his father. If you watch it, you'll surely recognize the young boy when they find him. (Now I want to see the whole episode.)

Some series that had episodes filmed at P.O.P.:

I Spy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jpNvV2Zvx0

The Fugitive (the final episode!)
Get Smart
The Mod Squad
The Twilight Zone
Route 66
The Millionaire
The Man from U.N.C.L.E.
77 Sunset Strip
Burke's Law
The Invaders

This website has a great list of films and tv shows from the silents to when it was last updated in 2013:

Venice California History Site - Movie Making in Venice and Ocean Park

http://www.westland.net/venicehistory/articles/movies.htm


Also, there was a recent book published about the place:

"Pacific Ocean Park: The Rise and Fall of Los Angeles’ Space-Age Nautical Pleasure Pier" by Christopher Merritt and Dominic Priore / Foreword by Brian Wilson (of The Beach Boys) / Process Media, July 2014 / Hardcover; 264 pages.



From nearly all accounts it is a superb book. Here's an enthusiastic review of it.

http://www.ultraswank.net/readable/pacific-ocean-park-lost-to-time/

From the link:

Pacific Ocean Park, the book, is "thorough"; And that means it’s a book to
savor and explore. It reads like four connected mini-books, each detailing
a different part of P.O.P.’s history.

[HossC]

I know, I know, we're back in Beverly Hills again. This is Julius Shulman's "Job 2410: Rex Lotery, Schacker House (Beverly Hills, Calif.), 1957". I've only left a few photos out this time.



Here's the front from a different angle.



The exterior was a mixture of paneling, stone and glass



It looks like the rear was quite secluded. There was a choice of covered or uncovered tables.



A look along the inside of the glass front.



Here's a better view of the room on the right of the image above.



The doors cast interesting shadows on the unusual fireplace (I assume it's a fireplace).



This room is obviously at the rear of the house.



Two of the color images show some quite pink furniture. The third shows this bathroom.



All from Getty Research Institute

I found the address of the house, 917 N Foothill Drive, in a book called 'An Arch Guidebook to Los Angeles' by Robert Winter. It includes the following description:

The centerpiece of this dwelling is a story-and-a-half glass volume that houses the entrance and principal living space. Off of this project the secondary wings of the house, including the garage. The recent remodeling by the architect (1992-93) has both changed and brought the house back to its original condition. Walls have now been stuccoed, and a low wall separates the dwelling from the street.

When I enter the address into Google, it takes me to 917 N Foothill Road - is this the right address? I can't get a good look at the house from either the road or air - 917 is the small white house just north (right) of the large building project. It doesn't seem to be listed on the property sites, so I have no recent pictures to compare with the Shulman pictures.


Google Maps

[BifRayRock]

WigWag and Sheb Wooley say Dewey's Purrple Power gas pumps were particularly poised to be as popular as peppermint with police who patroled to keep the peace in parks and parking lots as featured in the following photos. Some parched patrolmen may have presumably partaken of Pepsi, Dr. Pepper or other brands of pop, with pasta, all from the Piggly Wiggly, while pointing at Pacific-bred Portuguese Man 'O War from the Santa Monica Pier. What the police planned at the Pico precinct before pounding the pavement toward San Pedro is possibly the subject of another post. http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/p15799coll170/id/29583




11520 Washington Boulevard, Dewey's Garage.




The pressure is ON.








































GoogleSVU







Henderson Excelsior KJ4

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/c6/38/1d/c6381d97023bf1d708c47d79b0f91443.jpg


1931 - Last year for a bona fide beauty
http://www.opp.ca/museum/assets/images/vehicles/henderson/henderson-02.jpg http://www.opp.ca/museum/vehicles-henderson.php

[BifRayRock]

Gianduia = Italian hazelnut flavored chocolate. Filberts? Nutella?



In 1940, P[edro] Gamerro's Gianduia Grocery Market was at 2100 N. Main Street (South Avenue 21.) Residence upstairs. Looks like a good place for Balboa Beer. http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/p15799coll170/id/92534

[59imperial]

Since Easter is coming up I thought I'd share this chilling image from an early 1950s El Segundo Herald article. The "ONE DEAD; EIGHT HURT IN AUTO ACCIDENTS" from a separate article goes quite well with the image, especially the DEAD part. Hands down, probably the most creepiest and sinister looking Easter Bunny costume ever made, but there might have been others. Not exactly L.A. but I just had to share it.

IMGP2273 by houseoftomorrow, on Flickr
IMGP2276 by houseoftomorrow, on Flickr

[BifRayRock]

Originally Posted by 59imperial

Hands down, probably the most creepiest and sinister looking Easter Bunny costume ever made, but there might have been others. Not exactly L.A. but I just had to share it.

IMGP2276 by houseoftomorrow, on Flickr

Inspiration for Donnie Darko?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zK3al2HF22g/UF...nie-darko-really-scary-bunny-costume.jpg



"Reconditioned and Guaranteed." (R&G)



1934 - Fortner Motor Co. Fortner's had three locations: 4120 S Western Ave., 4045 S Vermont Ave. and 3995 S. Western Ave.
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/p15799coll170/id/44420









(R&G) placards.

[ethereal_reality]

1878, Los Angeles



tovangar2, Flywingwedge, HossC & odinthor, thanks for the extra information, maps & photos
relating to the 4 Vine St. stereo-view. It's much appreciated.



Imagine a policeman walking down Vine St. in that stereo-view. This is what he might have looked like in 1878.


http://www.policeguide.com

The unique looking badge, more flower shape than star shape, was adopted in 1876, two years before the Vine St. photograph,
and was worn until 1889.

If you look closely at the young man's badge you can see that L.A. is engraved above CITY.



Here is a rather distinguished looking police captain [name & date unknown]


police.guide / 1876-1889 badge




and a couple cabinet cards.

police.guide


photographer: E. W. Fortune, 151 South Spring Street, Los Angeles Cal.





police.guide

photographer: Golsh, Plaza Photograph Gallery opposite Pico House Los Angeles


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[ethereal_reality]

I almost forgot this.



I wish I owned it.
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[ethereal_reality]

I came across this in an old file of mine. I don't believe I ever got around to posting it. (I could be wrong...of course )



Original 35mm slide, Los Angeles 1978

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I believe we're looking north on Hill Street from 6th St.


Here's the same view today.

gsv

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[ethereal_reality]

'mystery' location.

A few years back I found this series of four original negatives dated 1964. (they're a bit blurry )

Can anyone help me make heads or tails out of them?

#1
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I believe three out of four were taken from a car.




#2
ebay

Is that Chinatown in the distance?




#3
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This one seems unrelated, but it was included in the group of four.

#4
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Good luck sleuths!


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