Rapid Transit - Page 166

SteelTown · #**3301** Posted **Mar 30, 2017, 5:53 PM**

Flamborough councillor Judi Partridge 'no longer supports' LRT project

http://www.thespec.com/opinion-story/721...artridge-no-longer-supports-lrt-project/

SteelTown · #**3302** Posted **Mar 30, 2017, 5:58 PM**

So let's do the math:

YEA: Eisenberger, A. Johnson, Farr, Green, Merulla, Pearson, B. Johnson, Ferguson

NAY: Collins, Skelly, Conley, Partridge

UNSURE: Jackson, Whitehead, Vanderbeek, Pasuta

I feel like Jackson will vote YEA

Whitehead is all over the place on this, but utimately I think he sees this as good thing, so YEA but who knows

Vanderbeek, I rarely hear her speak and is a quiet one so I'm unsure

Pasuta, I believe voted YEA, he tend to see things from the entire perspective instead of just his own ward.

strackj · #**3303** Posted **Mar 30, 2017, 9:33 PM**

I feel like B. Johnson had drifted over to the NAY side (http://brendajohnson.ca/2016/10/lrt-message-from-councilor-johnson/)

Pearson I am not sure about, I felt that she would support moving forward but also voted against asking Metrolinx for a Bay St stop.

I am fairly certain that Vanderbeek is NAY

durandy · #**3304** Posted **Mar 30, 2017, 9:40 PM**

Eisenberger's leadership is leaving much to be desired here. Merulla seems to be the champion.

Collins I just shake my head at.

Much less confident in Pearson and Brenda Johnson than Steeltown.

oldcoote · #**3305** Posted **Mar 31, 2017, 1:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by SteelTown

Flamborough councillor Judi Partridge 'no longer supports' LRT project

http://www.thespec.com/opinion-story/721...artridge-no-longer-supports-lrt-project/

She never did. She's been naysaying it to business leaders for months. I know this first-hand from one such leader.

oldcoote · #**3306** Posted **Mar 31, 2017, 1:20 PM**

I received a robocall 'on behalf of a few councillors' judging my support in LRT and whether I'd support a referendum.

markbarbera · #**3307** Posted **Mar 31, 2017, 5:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by durandy

Eisenberger's leadership is leaving much to be desired here. Merulla seems to be the champion.

Collins I just shake my head at.

Much less confident in Pearson and Brenda Johnson than Steeltown.

A champion needs to win people over. Merulla, who deals in absolutes, doomsday fear mongering and bursts of hyperbole, is no champion. Cut from the same cloth as Whitehead.

realcity · #**3308** Posted **Apr 1, 2017, 11:47 AM**

I no longer support LRT. Ever since it didn't go down Main now the fact that it doesn't go to Eastgate, which has a bus hub and stores. What's at Queenston TC? Fred just wants the sewers, watermains and sidewalks done for free.

Rg2016 · #**3309** Posted **Apr 1, 2017, 1:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by realcity

I no longer support LRT. Ever since it didn't go down Main now the fact that it doesn't go to Eastgate, which has a bus hub and stores. What's at Queenston TC? Fred just wants the sewers, watermains and sidewalks done for free.

I guess the Queentson circle would be Hamilton's 2nd downtown and they want infills for that location? It makes sense with all the empty lots nearby.

HamiltonBoyInToronto · #**3310** Posted **Apr 1, 2017, 5:16 PM**

leave it to the city to screw things up again.... this was the perfect chance to turn that highway that runs through downtown (Main street) into a complete street with two way traffic and LRT running down the middle in dedicated lanes... and to connect the east end of the city (Eastgate mall) with the west .... stopping the LRT at Queenston circle makes no sense at all...

they screwed up the stadium and now they are screwing up the LRT

Hawrylyshyn · #**3311** Posted **Apr 1, 2017, 6:44 PM**

I know this isn't the place for this but..

They definitely didn't screw up the stadium. LRT, yes they did.

realcity · #**3312** Posted **Apr 1, 2017, 7:44 PM**

Stadium should've been at Confederation Park

MalcolmTucker · #**3313** Posted **Apr 1, 2017, 8:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by realcity

I no longer support LRT. Ever since it didn't go down Main now the fact that it doesn't go to Eastgate, which has a bus hub and stores. What's at Queenston TC? Fred just wants the sewers, watermains and sidewalks done for free.

You know, the city with the province and the feds can fund to Eastgate later right? Much easier to expand once you have the big mostly fixed cost items in place like the operations and maintenance centre done. Heck a provincial election is coming, and a top up to get it done to Eastgate all at once is likely.

durandy · #**3314** Posted **Apr 2, 2017, 3:47 AM**

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Originally Posted by realcity

I no longer support LRT. Ever since it didn't go down Main now the fact that it doesn't go to Eastgate, which has a bus hub and stores. What's at Queenston TC? Fred just wants the sewers, watermains and sidewalks done for free.

So you'd rather have the B Line Express? That's ultimately the result here. All these speakers at the meeting who said we can instead do this or that with the money, if there's one thing that's absolute, it's that if we don't get LRT we get nothing. So yeah, even if that's Fred's goal, it's still a pretty damn good alternative to nothing.

Beedok · #**3315** Posted **Apr 3, 2017, 1:04 AM**

At the very least it might get Queen's Park to actually spend some money outside Toronto again in future.

CaptainKirk · #**3316** Posted **Apr 3, 2017, 4:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by realcity

I no longer support LRT. Ever since it didn't go down Main now the fact that it doesn't go to Eastgate, which has a bus hub and stores. What's at Queenston TC?

But it will go to Eastgate. just not in the first phase. It is still in the plans.

Also, upper levels of gov't have recently given money towards the A-line and the T-line that include Glanbrook, Ancaster, and Hamilton Mountain

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Fred just wants the sewers, watermains and sidewalks done for free.

Well yeah, that's over $700m that the city saves. HUGE money!

As a taxpayer I welcome this news.

This is only the first part of a long term plan.

CaptainKirk · #**3317** Posted **Apr 3, 2017, 4:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by Rg2016

I guess the Queentson circle would be Hamilton's 2nd downtown and they want infills for that location? It makes sense with all the empty lots nearby.

Queenston traffic circle, as all LRT stops will be, is a node that has changed zoning. This allows for TOD ( Transit Oriented Development)

The LRT, at a later date, will connect to Eastgate. That part has never changed.

https://d3fpllf1m7bbt3.cloudfront.net/si...t-submission-book1-corridor-strategy.pdf

http://www2.hamilton.ca/NR/rdonlyres/9D7...56B6D2E6/0/TODGuidelines_Volume2_WEB.pdf

Berklon · #**3318** Posted **Apr 3, 2017, 5:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by CaptainKirk

The LRT, at a later date, will connect to Eastgate. That part has never changed.

If the LRT is operational and it stops at the Queenston traffic circle, it will give a bad first impression and will turn many people off. Adding it at a later date doesn't change that. The LRT has to provide the most positive experience possible right from the start. This dosen't do it as it will be useless to a lot more people.

CaptainKirk · #**3319** Posted **Apr 3, 2017, 6:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by Berklon

If the LRT is operational and it stops at the Queenston traffic circle, it will give a bad first impression and will turn many people off. Adding it at a later date doesn't change that. The LRT has to provide the most positive experience possible right from the start. This dosen't do it as it will be useless to a lot more people.

I don't follow. What is your reasoning?

The ridership already exists. Why would that stop riders along the B-line? What would they use instead? They will still have their travel needs. I don't see how that changes their travel habits.

markbarbera · #**3320** Posted **Apr 3, 2017, 1:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by durandy

if there's one thing that's absolute, it's that if we don't get LRT we get nothing.

This is simply not true. The funding is for higher order rapid transit. It has never been LRT or nothing.

Metrolinx is pushing for LRT here because they are looking for a dumping ground for the LRT cars they ordered from Bombardier for the Scarborough LRT, which has been cancelled and replaced with a subway line.