YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 568

LeftCoaster · #**11341** Posted **Mar 10, 2017, 9:13 PM**

Well they do plan on using YVR as a hub as well as Winnipeg and Hamilton, with only Hamilton being a secondary airport.

I think there is room for a well run low cost low fare airline, it just needs to be done property and with patience and that sure wasn't newleaf.

All depends on the pockets of Jetlines and how much loss they are willing to take in the first few years to ward off attacks from Westjet.

DDP · #**11342** Posted **Mar 10, 2017, 10:07 PM**

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I'm glad I saw Istanbul when I did, a few years back. It's such an awe-inspiring city. Those easy days are a thing of the past, now.

Istanbul may be my favourite European city I've spent some time it, went to it in 2010 and 2014. I wouldn't take a trip,there now, less about the government but because they are being hit by terrorists and some unrest.

trofirhen · #**11343** Posted **Mar 13, 2017, 2:34 PM**

That big, new "groundbreaking," "game changing" route you referred to back in early December 2016
I'm not trying to ferret out what it is, and I'm not asking for a hint; we already have hints.
"Ground-breaking" would mean something entirely new and different.
"Game changing" would mean (IMO) a transit point shift, addition, or subtraction.
I know this route is onstream for early 2018 - as you said it was - my only question being ...... WHEN will you be able to announce it?

nname · #**11344** Posted **Mar 13, 2017, 7:13 PM**

Rumor in some Chinese forums that AC had traded the LHR slot with CZ for some slot(s) in Chinese airport(s)...

YVR-SZX coming soon? Or maybe AC will finally start YYZ-CAN? Maybe second daily PVG or PEK? Words there is that AC got some SZX slots though (but the LHR slot must be worth ALOT more than that...)

LeftCoaster · #**11345** Posted **Mar 13, 2017, 8:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

I know this route is onstream for early 2018 - as you said it was - my only question being ...... WHEN will you be able to announce it?

It's not his to announce, the airline or authority who owns the news will announce it when they see fit.

If someone trusts you with privileged information and you go and blab about it on some internet forum chances are you wont be in the loop next time.

You're just going to have to be patient.

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Originally Posted by nname

Rumor in some Chinese forums that AC had traded the LHR slot with CZ for some slot(s) in Chinese airport(s)...

YVR-SZX coming soon? Or maybe AC will finally start YYZ-CAN? Maybe second daily PVG or PEK? Words there is that AC got some SZX slots though (but the LHR slot must be worth ALOT more than that...)

That would explain this announcement:
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airl...-london-heathrow-service-from-june-2017/

I wasn't even thinking sending it to a Chinese airline, I was so focused on North American users. Makes sense.

Hopefully they got some good slots at the big airports, SZN in particular would be great, since they would likely launch the route from YVR with YYZ to follow.

trofirhen · #**11346** Posted **Mar 13, 2017, 9:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

It's not his to announce, the airline or authority who owns the news will announce it when they see fit.

If someone trusts you with privileged information and you go and blab about it on some internet forum chances are you wont be in the loop next time.

You're just going to have to be patient.

Sorry, my mistake. Though I have to admit, it IS exciting, wondering what it will be.

SFUVancouver · #**11347** Posted **Mar 14, 2017, 12:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

It's not his to announce, the airline or authority who owns the news will announce it when they see fit.

If someone trusts you with privileged information and you go and blab about it on some internet forum chances are you wont be in the loop next time.

An expression for that I like is: "one knows doesn't talk, and one who talks doesn't know".

SFUVancouver · #**11348** Posted **Mar 15, 2017, 12:42 AM**

I was reading an article about Xiamen Air in Airways magazine and there was a good quote that I thought I would share:

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North America is the most lucrative region for Chinese airlines; thus, Xiamen is putting a huge emphasis on expanding its network in Canada and the US. "Vancouver was our first North America route and, after just a month of service, we were pleasantly surprised with the yields, which have been higher than we initially projected," Zhao told Airways (Zhao Dong is the airline's President and CEO). "It helps that there are about 300,000 Chinese from Fujian province in Vancouver". The airline is also monitoring the market and cites Toronto, Chicago, and San Francisco as potential destinations. For the time being, Chinese carriers have been able to avoid competing with one another on long haul routes, the Chinese government adhering to a one carrier-one route philosphy.

That's from the April 2017 issue of Airways magazine.

Klazu · #**11349** Posted **Mar 15, 2017, 2:43 AM**

Not YVR-related, but interesting videos on commercial aviation in general.

• Video Link

teriyaki · #**11350** Posted **Mar 15, 2017, 4:41 AM**

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Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

I was reading an article about Xiamen Air in Airways magazine and there was a good quote that I thought I would share:

That's from the April 2017 issue of Airways magazine.

Crazy that you were able to read a magazine from the future!

POCO · #**11351** Posted **Mar 15, 2017, 6:30 AM**

Thanks for posting these here Klazu. Wendover is probably one of my favorite Youtube channels; he's just as good as CGP Grey. I may go fund his patreon.

zahav · #**11352** Posted **Mar 15, 2017, 8:05 AM**

YVR named best airport in NA for 8th straight year. Glad the airport isn't resting on its laurels and is continuing its ambitious projects. Let's pray the government plan to sell of the airports doesn't happen!

http://www.yvr.ca/en/media/news-releases/2017/yvr-breaks-record-with-historic-skytrax-win

thebus · #**11353** Posted **Mar 15, 2017, 2:28 PM**

Air Canada has announced daily, summer seasonal flights from YVR to BOS starting June 23, 2017 (ending September 4th, 2017). Looks like it'll be on A319 metal.

http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1116

mezzanine · #**11354** Posted **Mar 15, 2017, 2:53 PM**

great news! let's hope this becomes year round.

This will also feed into AC's DEL flight, if it goes year-round. any word if that will remain seasonal?

IMO YVR has a unique draw for its australia connections. It MEL comes to fruition I can see IAD being introduced.

thenoflyzone · #**11355** Posted **Mar 15, 2017, 3:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by mezzanine

great news! let's hope this becomes year round.

This will also feed into AC's DEL flight, if it goes year-round. any word if that will remain seasonal?

IMO YVR has a unique draw for its australia connections. It MEL comes to fruition I can see IAD being introduced.

BOS-YVR-DEL is one hell of a detour ! Star Alliance can better serve BOS-DEL via YYZ, EWR, FRA, MUC, etc.

YVR-BOS is a nice add, but a pretty short season, only 2.5 months.

thenoflyzone · #**11356** Posted **Mar 15, 2017, 3:53 PM**

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A Turkish user on A.net has said that the CAA offered 3x weekly flights to TK for IST-YVR but Turkish rejected the deal and is holding out for 5xPW.

http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1344727&p=19392247#p19392247

This makes no sense to me, I don't know why they wouldn't take 3 in the meantime and ask for 5 as the route develops.

Anyone have any further insight into this?

Doesn't make sense. In all fairness, they probably didn't launch because there is no money to be made, 3x weekly or 5 !

They are trying to tap into the YVR-DEL market. With AC now established in the market with a non stop and thus owning the higher yield passenger, plus with the recent turmoil in Turkey, the business case for such a flight just went down significantly.

Another guy on that same airliners page is saying SU and QR are also interested in YVR. Going after the same thing, DEL traffic.

mezzanine · #**11357** Posted **Mar 15, 2017, 4:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

BOS-YVR-DEL is one hell of a detour ! Star Alliance can better serve BOS-DEL via YYZ, EWR, FRA, MUC, etc.

lol - didn't think that one thru.

Still, will the YVR-DEL flight still be seasonal going into 2017?

Looking at the press release AC talks up transfers to Australia. Going into the future if AC/*A builds Australia/SE asia at YVR it wwill really make the case for more NA transfer traffic.

LeftCoaster · #**11358** Posted **Mar 15, 2017, 9:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

YVR-BOS is a nice add, but a pretty short season, only 2.5 months.

I bet the YVR-BOS is just a bit of a dip your toes in the water this summer, if it does well they'll bring it back longer next summer, and once the C series arrives, they'll likely be able to keep it year round.

As the tech scene in both cities continues to grow I see the flight becoming more and more supportable as a business connection rather than a summer tourism/cruise ship feeder.

Either way great announcement, something we've been wondering what the hold up was for a long time.

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Doesn't make sense. In all fairness, they probably didn't launch because there is no money to be made, 3x weekly or 5 !

They are trying to tap into the YVR-DEL market. With AC now established in the market with a non stop and thus owning the higher yield passenger, plus with the recent turmoil in Turkey, the business case for such a flight just went down significantly.

Another guy on that same airliners page is saying SU and QR are also interested in YVR. Going after the same thing, DEL traffic.

Ya none of that made any sense to me.

First off, like we've both said, take the 3 then push for 5 later. They only fly into YYZ 6xPW, they really NEED 5 at YVR?

Secondly, why is eveyrone trying to get into the YVR (west coast) to India business. AC and CX seem to have the premium market via direct or HKG and the other chinese airlines are just punishing the yields. I am flying YVR-DEL in May and my ticket was $640 round trip! YVR-PVG-DEL, and at 21 hours it's barely longer than a direct flight.

Who wants to fight it out when those are the rewards?

trofirhen · #**11359** Posted **Mar 15, 2017, 11:43 PM**

I just wish that AC would make YVR-Delhi year round. It would simplify things so much. No more ME3 snarling and frothing at the door to get in .....
Additionally, it would be great if we could completely round out our Pacific destination roster; add BKK, SIN, KUL, MEL, CTS, NGO, ITM maybe even PPT seasonal on AF ...
All that plus this big new "groundbreaking game changer" TBA later on this year ... imagine what importance YVR could assume ... and it's within their grasp, it seems.

LeftCoaster · #**11360** Posted **Mar 15, 2017, 11:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

I just wish that AC would make YVR-Delhi year round. It would simplify things so much. No more ME3 snarling and frothing at the door to get in .....
Additionally, it would be great if we could completely round out our Pacific destination roster; add BKK, SIN, KUL, MEL, CTS, NGO, ITM maybe even PPT seasonal on AF ...
All that plus this big new "groundbreaking game changer" TBA later on this year ... imagine what importance YVR could assume ... and it's within their grasp, it seems.

Where to even start.

YVR moving DEL to year round would not at all stop the ME3. Why in the world would it?

Secondly YVR already flies to NGO and KIN (ITM is a completely domestic airport, KIN is the international airport serving Osaka).

IMO MEL and one of the big SE Asian airports will likely happen in the next 12-18 months. Other than that I doubt CTS, KUL or PPT will happen any time soon, but I'd love to be wrong.