General Vancouver Updates

[officedweller]

Proposed at 45th & Yew:

Proposed affordable housing project on former Kerrisdale church site faces backlash
http://www.cknw.com/2017/02/23/277358/


http://www.cknw.com/2017/02/23/277358/


http://www.cknw.com/2017/02/23/277358/

[retro_orange]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Proposed at 45th & Yew:

Proposed affordable housing project on former Kerrisdale church site faces backlash
http://www.cknw.com/2017/02/23/277358/


http://www.cknw.com/2017/02/23/277358/


http://www.cknw.com/2017/02/23/277358/

OMG THE ENTITLEMENT!

“All too often the conversation is by people who are comfortably housed, who don’t have to worry about what happens if they have to move suddenly because they have owned their homes a long time, these people have the luxury of being much more concerned about potential shadows that might appear on their lawns than those with real housing problems.”

I wonder if in the future the development community and the 99% will come together and start suing the pants off these community groups for lost profits and lost potential for affordable housing to be built. This looks like a very attractive development and I would love to see this kind of thing in Mount Pleasant.

Their website was made by someone with WAY too much time on their hands
https://ryersonneighbours.wordpress.com/ownership-of-a-city/

[officedweller]

Here's the City link:

http://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/2165-2195and2205-2291w45thave/index.htm

[retro_orange]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Here's the City link:

http://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/2165-2195and2205-2291w45thave/index.htm

Further reiterating my previous post. This development actually has variety and dynamic aspects to it.

I mean seriously, they actually get to keep the church as a whole! COME ON GUYS! Get with it.

[Genauso]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Here's the City link:

http://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/2165-2195and2205-2291w45thave/index.htm

Current FSR 0.6
a proposed floor space ratio (FSR) of 2.47;
a proposed floor space ratio (FSR) of 1.73;


Wall Financial Corp is gunning for a new high score, wonder how many millions taxpayers are giving to them this time. Affordable housing my ass, Vision Vancouver will pay 8 figures for 10 demo units they'll cry about at a Press Conference while they cause actual affordable housing in 10 classic 3-4 storey walkups to evict the seniors and working class in hopes of quadrupling their money.

The luxury condos like the one that make up Wall's Ryerson plan will be sold to absentee buyers now that the tax is undone at both the provincial level with Christy Clark's work permit exemption, and at the city level with with Kerry Jang's family pied-a-terre proposed exemption Frances Bula talked about -- guess who made cash contributions to buy the about-face? Well Bob Rennie stepped back after the NYT lampooning, but Peter and Hugo Wall are still there

[Genauso]

Originally Posted by retro_orange

Further reiterating my previous post. This development actually has variety and dynamic aspects to it.

I mean seriously, they actually get to keep the church as a whole! COME ON GUYS! Get with it.

retro_orange

Really, you don't see what's going on? CAC under Vision is the Vancouver version of Tammany Hall NY. They are selling land, mostly to Wall Financial Corp, at 70% of the current market price. There's too many projects going through CD-1 zoning, it used to be an exceptional thing where the lack of limitations could craft unique solutions. Now it's City Council telling everyone what they cannot build, and controlling access to CD-1 gives them carte blanche power. Later if Stevenson/Reimer/Gregor/Meggs have a pet project there's a good friend they can call to get money for their hobby who will be happy to kickback some.

This is how Concord Pacific pays no tax, then we'll tear down the viaducts, they'll chip in to pay for the TV Press Conference on Global and CTV news. What do residents and taxpayers get from it? Concord will promise to rent some of the units in it's building, but it will not do anything to lower prices -- it's going to keep the increase profit for itself.


Except that property taxes are going up. Housing has never been more unaffordable despite it being 5 years since Vision introduced their Affordable Housing plan that encourages these expensive lot-by-lot rezonings.

There's a lot of disgust out there. You would be surprised who has a great story you've never heard about, just go around prompting people what they think about Vision Vancouver claiming credit for bestowing affordable housing like a magical fairy.


There was a big push circa 2015 by smaller developers with lots of articles and academic journals investigating this CAC form of legal corruption. The catch is the opportunity is not accessible to everyone, you need enough land to make the $40,000 CD-1 fee worth it for starters. I always wondered why we don't see more duplexes and rowhouses, or 3-4 storey walkups become 6-8 storey buildings. It's the big green cash machine.

We can't do what's practical, because corrupt people would lose the power to abuse CAC&CD-1 bylaws to capture a disproportionate share of increasing land prices.

Ever wonder why the rezoning and development reports get so involved in so many meaningless fringe aspects? They weren't allowed to say No to anyone politically connected under Penny Ballem, or at least she fired anyone that ever did according to the stories floating around.

Kind of like city council spends way too much on delivering symbolic amounts of action on bike lanes, homelessness, affordability, social inclusion, arts, etc. If the city were a human body, it would have the best cosmetic surgery and a heart that's undergoing myocardial infarction. Vision has sucked the oxygen out of the room and we're supposed to applaud them for going out of their way to take credit for 1/10 of what could have proceeded if they hadn't been involved at all?

I'm really curious if Gregor has changed course after all the different city planners and mangers he's burned through.

[retro_orange]

Originally Posted by Genauso

retro_orange

Really, you don't see what's going on? CAC under Vision is the Vancouver version of Tammany Hall NY. They are selling land, mostly to Wall Financial Corp, at 70% of the current market price. There's too many projects going through CD-1 zoning, it used to be an exceptional thing where the lack of limitations could craft unique solutions. Now it's City Council telling everyone what they cannot build, and controlling access to CD-1 gives them carte blanche power. Later if Stevenson/Reimer/Gregor/Meggs have a pet project there's a good friend they can call to get money for their hobby who will be happy to kickback some.

This is how Concord Pacific pays no tax, then we'll tear down the viaducts, they'll chip in to pay for the TV Press Conference on Global and CTV news. What do residents and taxpayers get from it? Concord will promise to rent some of the units in it's building, but it will not do anything to lower prices -- it's going to keep the increase profit for itself.


Except that property taxes are going up. Housing has never been more unaffordable despite it being 5 years since Vision introduced their Affordable Housing plan that encourages these expensive lot-by-lot rezonings.

There's a lot of disgust out there. You would be surprised who has a great story you've never heard about, just go around prompting people what they think about Vision Vancouver claiming credit for bestowing affordable housing like a magical fairy.


There was a big push circa 2015 by smaller developers with lots of articles and academic journals investigating this CAC form of legal corruption. The catch is the opportunity is not accessible to everyone, you need enough land to make the $40,000 CD-1 fee worth it for starters. I always wondered why we don't see more duplexes and rowhouses, or 3-4 storey walkups become 6-8 storey buildings. It's the big green cash machine.

We can't do what's practical, because corrupt people would lose the power to abuse CAC&CD-1 bylaws to capture a disproportionate share of increasing land prices.

Ever wonder why the rezoning and development reports get so involved in so many meaningless fringe aspects? They weren't allowed to say No to anyone politically connected under Penny Ballem, or at least she fired anyone that ever did according to the stories floating around.

Kind of like city council spends way too much on delivering symbolic amounts of action on bike lanes, homelessness, affordability, social inclusion, arts, etc. If the city were a human body, it would have the best cosmetic surgery and a heart that's undergoing myocardial infarction. Vision has sucked the oxygen out of the room and we're supposed to applaud them for going out of their way to take credit for 1/10 of what could have proceeded if they hadn't been involved at all?

I'm really curious if Gregor has changed course after all the different city planners and mangers he's burned through.

*sigh* i know...

[officedweller]

12 storey tower in the park for
10th & Oak:

A development application has been filed for a new midrise apartment tower on a 125′ x 150′ lot
at the Southwest corner of West 10th and Oak, just West of Vancouver General Hospital. The site is zoned RM-3
and so does not require rezoning. The proposal for 1002 West 10th Avenue includes a 12-storey apartment building,
consisting of:

◾62 rental units
◾A total density of 1.78 FSR (33,350 SF);
◾a building height of 116.86 ft.; and
◾25 underground parking spaces, having vehicular access from the lane.

http://www.vancouvermarket.ca/2017/03/03/12-storey-rental-building-planned-for-west-10th-oak/


http://www.vancouvermarket.ca/2017/03/03/12-storey-rental-building-planned-for-west-10th-oak/


http://www.vancouvermarket.ca/2017/03/03/12-storey-rental-building-planned-for-west-10th-oak/

[Vin]

Can't they triple the height and triple the density? Another waste of a perfectly good lot.

[LeftCoaster]

They don't need to triple the height, but 1.78 FSR is absolutely abysmal for a site immediately adjacent to a future transit station.

I really don't think the CoV understands how effective of a tool density can be to combat the current housing crunch.

[officedweller]

Zonda Nellis Building
by City of Rain at SkyriseVancouver taken Feb 26, 2017:

Originally Posted by City Of Rain, post: 1197856, member: 70034

20170226_103501 by Hung Lam, on Flickr

20170226_103532 by Hung Lam, on Flickr

20170226_103555 by Hung Lam, on Flickr

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Genauso

retro_orange

Really, you don't see what's going on? CAC under Vision is the Vancouver version of Tammany Hall NY. They are selling land, mostly to Wall Financial Corp, at 70% of the current market price. There's too many projects going through CD-1 zoning, it used to be an exceptional thing where the lack of limitations could craft unique solutions. Now it's City Council telling everyone what they cannot build, and controlling access to CD-1 gives them carte blanche power. Later if Stevenson/Reimer/Gregor/Meggs have a pet project there's a good friend they can call to get money for their hobby who will be happy to kickback some.

This is how Concord Pacific pays no tax, then we'll tear down the viaducts, they'll chip in to pay for the TV Press Conference on Global and CTV news. What do residents and taxpayers get from it? Concord will promise to rent some of the units in it's building, but it will not do anything to lower prices -- it's going to keep the increase profit for itself.


Except that property taxes are going up. Housing has never been more unaffordable despite it being 5 years since Vision introduced their Affordable Housing plan that encourages these expensive lot-by-lot rezonings.

There's a lot of disgust out there. You would be surprised who has a great story you've never heard about, just go around prompting people what they think about Vision Vancouver claiming credit for bestowing affordable housing like a magical fairy.


There was a big push circa 2015 by smaller developers with lots of articles and academic journals investigating this CAC form of legal corruption. The catch is the opportunity is not accessible to everyone, you need enough land to make the $40,000 CD-1 fee worth it for starters. I always wondered why we don't see more duplexes and rowhouses, or 3-4 storey walkups become 6-8 storey buildings. It's the big green cash machine.

We can't do what's practical, because corrupt people would lose the power to abuse CAC&CD-1 bylaws to capture a disproportionate share of increasing land prices.

Ever wonder why the rezoning and development reports get so involved in so many meaningless fringe aspects? They weren't allowed to say No to anyone politically connected under Penny Ballem, or at least she fired anyone that ever did according to the stories floating around.

Kind of like city council spends way too much on delivering symbolic amounts of action on bike lanes, homelessness, affordability, social inclusion, arts, etc. If the city were a human body, it would have the best cosmetic surgery and a heart that's undergoing myocardial infarction. Vision has sucked the oxygen out of the room and we're supposed to applaud them for going out of their way to take credit for 1/10 of what could have proceeded if they hadn't been involved at all?

I'm really curious if Gregor has changed course after all the different city planners and mangers he's burned through.

Excellent post!

As to the Ryerson proposal, there's already highrises in that area of Kerrisdale, time for someone to tell the moaners to STFU. Not crazy about the townhouse podium of this design though.

[logan5]

re - 10th and Oak. 1.78 FSR on a 12 story building doesn't make sense.

[officedweller]

The Duke from Acton Ostry twitter today:


https://twitter.com/actonostry

[Vin]

Originally Posted by retro_orange

OMG THE ENTITLEMENT!



I wonder if in the future the development community and the 99% will come together and start suing the pants off these community groups for lost profits and lost potential for affordable housing to be built. This looks like a very attractive development and I would love to see this kind of thing in Mount Pleasant.

Their website was made by someone with WAY too much time on their hands
https://ryersonneighbours.wordpress.com/ownership-of-a-city/

The group of very vocal rich single family housing folks are the worst of the lot. Downtown Vancouver has been receiving more than its fair share of all the subsidised and affordable housing in this city, and yet when it's their turn to host some not-so-wealthy residents they start crying fowl. Traffic and lawn-shadowing problems raised are just red herrings for selfishness. They are the ones that cause Vancouver to be so unaffordable.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

They don't need to triple the height, but 1.78 FSR is absolutely abysmal for a site immediately adjacent to a future transit station.

I really don't think the CoV understands how effective of a tool density can be to combat the current housing crunch.

I know they don't have to go tall to achieve higher density, but if you live there, wouldn't you want to have a good view of downtown Vancouver or the North Shore Mountains?

Very much agreed that the CoV doesn't understand simple logic, an perhaps no one in City Hall is even realizing that 1.78 FSR is a low number for this site, and people who approve the project are just "going by the book" without understanding or questioning the long term impact on housing affordability and good transit planning, because, you know, anything bigger than a SFH is already a big deal in this town.

[LeftCoaster]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against additional height in this area, I'm just emphasizing what I feel to be the most problematic issue which is the FSR.

[Changing City]

Another rental building - this one in Mount Pleasant at Main & 2nd with 131 units on 11 floors. More at https://changingcitybook.com/2017/03/08/1800-main-street/

[retro_orange]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Another rental building - this one in Mount Pleasant at Main & 2nd with 131 units on 11 floors. More at https://changingcitybook.com/2017/03/08/1800-main-street/

Very nice, i walked by this lot just the other night and wondered when they were gonna do something with this prominent corner.

A side note, it appears they forgot to finish rendering the main floor with ground floor residential, retail or common areas. Just blank. Odd.

[LeftCoaster]

Looks like the end of the Narrow Lounge, had a few good nights there in van. Decent enough looking project though, with the Francl designed project across Main it should help that corner feel less desolate.

Thanks for the scoop CC.