YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[rxp]

what is this i am seeing that air canada has one flight/ day to LHR in the summer? what happened to the 787 dreamliner being added on last year?

http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=935

[Alexcaban]

Originally Posted by rxp

what is this i am seeing that air canada has one flight/ day to LHR in the summer? what happened to the 787 dreamliner being added on last year?

http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=935

Was cancelled in favour of adding FRA with the 788 and LGW with ACr.

[mezzanine]

AKAIK, not re-announced for this year and effectively cancelled.

Other posters might have more info on why/plane utilization, but I think new AC service to LGW (rouge) and FRA played a role.

edit - jinx!

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by mezzanine

AKAIK, not re-announced for this year and effectively cancelled.

Other posters might have more info on why/plane utilization, but I think new AC service to LGW (rouge) and FRA played a role.

edit - jinx!

Perfect case of shifting capacity.

Way too many seats were added to LHR to justify keeping the second daily flight.

Also, FRA has been on Air Canada's to do list for yonks.

So a perfect shift.... move the second daily to FRA and add a few weekly LGW.

[LeftCoaster]

But we still don't know what AC is going to do with it's extra LHR slot do we?

Seems like an incredible waste to not use it. Can they lease it to another airliner?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

But we still don't know what AC is going to do with it's extra LHR slot do we?

Seems like an incredible waste to not use it. Can they lease it to another airliner?

Well with the summer sched season kicking in in about 3 months.... pretty late in the game to announce any new LHR flights... not sure if LHR has a use it or lose it clause (I'm sure they do) but not sure if you can keep a slot idle for a short period of time

[Johnny Aussie]

Last few days YVR blog has posted the following...

A good summary of what's coming up by Craig Richmond:

http://www.yvr.ca/en/blog/2017/craigs-corner-the-year-ahead

Mentions the D expansion and the new "F" concourse for transborder... it's all happening.... YVR staying ahead of the game!

"...we will start work this year on the Pier D expansion project." and "...at the same time, we will start work on our ambitious Transborder expansion, where we will build out our US check in area and create a new “Pier F” for our airline partners."

I think the term "new services" isn't necessarily appropriate in the case of China Airlines for example... but new as in the A350...

And a summary of new routes / services increases:

http://www.yvr.ca/en/blog/2017/new-routes-and-services-roundup

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Well with the summer sched season kicking in in about 3 months.... pretty late in the game to announce any new LHR flights... not sure if LHR has a use it or lose it clause (I'm sure they do) but not sure if you can keep a slot idle for a short period of time

Maybe they took a gamble and sold the slot for $$$$, and hope to buy it back for cheap after the 3rd runway is built (if that ever happens)

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Well with the summer sched season kicking in in about 3 months.... pretty late in the game to announce any new LHR flights... not sure if LHR has a use it or lose it clause (I'm sure they do) but not sure if you can keep a slot idle for a short period of time

Ya I wouldn't anticipate a new YVR-LHR route announcement for S17, I just figured we would have heard they sold or leased it to someone by now. Those things are literally worth millions.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Last few days YVR blog has posted the following...

A good summary of what's coming up by Craig Richmond:

http://www.yvr.ca/en/blog/2017/craigs-corner-the-year-ahead

Love the first comment in the comments section:

How about adding another direct flight to India 🇮🇳, linking Vancouver with Amritsar ATQ

I guess we're not the only airport enthusiasts with unrealistic exceptions.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

"...we will start work this year on the Pier D expansion project." and "...at the same time, we will start work on our ambitious Transborder expansion, where we will build out our US check in area and create a new “Pier F” for our airline partners."

Interesting that Pier F (I'm assuming this is the East Concourse and its little finger) will go at the same side as Pier D

Also, I'm curious if by starting work this year they mean physical or design work. That is quite quick to start physical work, but given the level of design that has gone into the fly through they have likely already completed a lot of the initial design work.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Interesting that Pier F (I'm assuming this is the East Concourse and its little finger) will go at the same side as Pier D

Also, I'm curious if by starting work this year they mean physical or design work. That is quite quick to start physical work, but given the level of design that has gone into the fly through they have likely already completed a lot of the initial design work.

Surprised to hear, though, that pier F (Transborder) will start off with only four gates.

[nname]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Surprised to hear, though, that pier F (Transborder) will start off with only four gates.

Maybe it's 4 new gates + 7 replacements for E90-96 = 11 gates?

[Reecemartin]

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[casper]

Originally Posted by Reecemartin

Off topic but somewhat curious, are their any plans for a second hotel at YVR? Something akin to the Alt at Pearson (a budget offering) seems like a good idea, maybe at Sea Island Centre?

The blog post had reference to two projects outside the terminal that improve the customer experience. A hotel would fit the bill. I guess the Delta is the only other hotel on the island beyond the Fairmount.

[Reecemartin]

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[mezzanine]

Is there a need for another airport hotel? besides pacific gateway the westin wall centre seems like a swish place right on the river's edge with shuttles/taxi vouchers. even the river rock hotel would be a viable candidate right on the canada line.

then there are the ones off the radar in richmond city centre like the sheraton and radisson. i see a lot of asian flight crews getting snacks at the yaohan before their bus trundles off to the radisson.

[casper]

Originally Posted by mezzanine

Is there a need for another airport hotel? besides pacific gateway the westin wall centre seems like a swish place right on the river's edge with shuttles/taxi vouchers. even the river rock hotel would be a viable candidate right on the canada line.

then there are the ones off the radar in richmond city centre like the sheraton and radisson. i see a lot of asian flight crews getting snacks at the yaohan before their bus trundles off to the radisson.

More passengers all tends to suggest a need for more hotels. Not certain what the average vacancy rate is for local hotels, however I encounter cases of having people come over to Vancouver and discover with some big event downtown they can't get a hotel room anywhere in Vancouver.

[Reecemartin]

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[nname]

According to Airlineroute, China Southern had opened reservation for Vancouver - Mexico City